remydat wrote...
silverexile17s wrote...
WRONG. Gerrel did, when he considered weighing 17 million lives against Shepard's life.
And I wasn't taking about first-person. I was talking about being the leader of a faction.
Besides, he wouldn't go to a house for bread for a dying sister. He'd go looking for medicine or treatment.
And AGAIN, back to the point - your example is COMPLETELY IRRELIVENT, as that's a random encounter, vs a situation that YOU put yourself in. That example has JACK - SQUAT to do with my arguement, because unlike that totally random situation, the geth's is one that was completely avoidable, had they not been so isolated, and taken the risk of reaching out to the galaxy at large. It WASN'T anything like a robbery where self-defense is understandable. It's having a bad rep, not doing anything to fix said bad rep, and then being surprised when people attack you because they think you are the bad guy BECAUSE of the bad rep you didn't even try to fix. If the geth had been actively trying to fix what the galaxy thought of them, and taken responcibility for the Heretics, THEN your example would match. But as is, It DOESN'T.
So NO, it's not BS. You simply missed the point.... AGAIN.
Gherrel was told point blank by Tali and Shepperd (ie allies) to stand down. That has nothing to do with someone shooting at you that is an enemy.
And what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with isolation or a bad rep. The point was the Quarians attached guns to live ships and fired them. In that scenario you shoot them down, end of story. It is the absolute height of stupidity to suggest otherwise.
WRONG. Only Tali speaks for sure, who then goes all wet-noodle and says nothing - gives NO REASON - but "stand down." No "the geth are about to attack again." No "Shepard gave them back the Reaper upgrades." NOTHING but "stand down," which doesn't seem logical against a race that is
assumed to have been Reaper allies long before the quarians ever attacked them.
And you know what happens when Shepard talks to Gerrel?
HE STANDS DOWN. I have yet to see a SINGLE playthrough where Gerrel
didn't listen to Shepard and refused to stand down.
Also, WRONG. Bad rep has EVERYTHING to do with the current situation. How much of this was caused by the assumption that the geth were allies of the Reapers ever since Eden Prime? How much of that bad negitive feeling to A.I.s could have been dispelled if the geth took the risk to at least
try and reach out to the galaxy? At the very least, it would have built the foundation say they were peacefull. The same goes for how the ruthlessly obliterated every ship that tried to contact them. Wouldn't that have helped to NOT kill unarmed peace envoys? Or if they had tried to do SOMETHING about the Heretcis to say they didn't represent the geth as a whole?
All this gives the geth the reputation of a faction that doesn't care about organics, and already attempted their destruction. They did nothing to fix this, so they gave the impression that they were both (a) hostile to organics, (
had no intriest in negotiation, and © had already tried to wipe out all organic life. This is what everyone believes. And the geth let this reputation stand.
And AGAIN, you prove you have
total inabilaty to debate, as you use a point that has been DIFFINITIVELY DISPROVED BY THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. The geth don't CARE if the ship is armed or not. It did squat for the diplomatic ships, and it will do squat now. The liveships are in the Perceus Veil with the rest of the fleet, so they WILL be targeted
NO MATTER WHAT, simply because the liveships are in the Veil. They can't be left behind, because as is, the military fleet can't sustain long conflicts without the support of the supply-carring civilian fleet. And if they are going to be targeted no matter what, you may as well give them the means to defend themselves. AND the end goal was to eventually take the now-empty liveships against the Reapers (Earth attack as an example), so they would have armed the liveships REGARDLESS of fighting the geth or not.
The absolute highest of stupitidy is
not seeing that the geth basically
gave themselves the reputation of being public enemies of the free galaxy by their lack of initive or care. OF COURSE no one is going to be surprised if they are attacked, since as far as everyone knows, they hated organics anyway and proved it at Eden Prime. That's what everyone believes anyway, and the geth never bothered to correct that belief.
The CORRECT senerio is that the geth had a bad rep for killing peace envoys, did nothing to stop it from getting worse by letting their rouges run rampant, and were attacked for not doing anything to change it when everyone branded them the singlemost enemy of the free galaxy behind the Reapers themselves. They did nothing to change the galaxy's perception of them. S
ee things in more then a narrow, one-sided black and white for once.
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