remydat wrote...
silverexile17s wrote...
With more genocide. BS.
It STOPPED being self-defense when the geth indiscriminately killed billions of civilians - men, woman and childern. Non-quarians as well.
When you counter genocide with more genocide, you basically have NO CHOICE but to explain yourself COMPLETELY, because you are on the same exact level as the people that attacked you.
The quarians attempted possible genocide (no one knew the geth were sapiant at the time of the rebellion).
The geth responded with a complete genocide.
And for the THOUSANDTH TIME, it was the COUNCIL that would have wanted them dead for existing, NOT the quarians. The quarians panicked and attacked the geth because the geth would have been attacked and (assumed to be) wiped out ANYWAY by the Council. At least this way, the quarians figured that their 2 billion men, woman and childeren wouldn't have to suffer the wrath of the Council and have their futures go down with the geth.
I am not aware of them indiscriminately killing anyone. The Quarians attacked, the Geth were better at killing. Next time do your homework before you attempt genocide.
Look we already went over this. It took humans literally MILLIONS of years to learn that genocide was not good. Cave men were wiping out other cave men clans since we first learned to use weapons. I can think of no human civilization that didn't lay waste to towns and kill women and children in their conquests. The Romans did it as did just about every European power. The Egyptiians did it and hell Christians and Muslims have massacred untold millions in the name of their religion. Throw in gang raping women too for good measure.
So save me the crap. The Geth were barely a year old and you expect them to learn in under a year what it took us millions of years to figure out? Do me a favour and say a little prayer for all the people our ancestors murdered indiscriminately for us to be here today because we are the children of butchers. That is how our ancestors survived long enough for us to be here today.
WHAT?! What about Adas? You know, the
peacefull mining colony that had no military presance, that was slaughtered on the way to attack Rannoch for no other reason then being in the pathway? A slaughter so brutal, the quarians named a weapon after it? (Adas Anti-Synthetic rifle).
And self-defense applies to
military. If you shoot a man who is armed and shooting you with the intent to kill, THAT'S self-defense. If you take an assault rifle and
mow down everyone in in the line of sight,
woman and childeren included, THAT'S the DEFINITION of indiscriminanate killing. HOW exaxctally do you see the death of 2 billion
civilian men, woman, and children, as NOT being indiscriminanate killing? Especally since the geth continued to attack when the quarians were already beaten. They had already lost most of their worlds. They had no fight left in them. Their economy was ruined. Their military broken. Thei government in chaos. They were already beat LONG BEFORE the geth launched their siege of the Tikkun system. There was NO REASON to attack Rannoch at the end of the war. Yet the geth did. They attacked an enemy that was already beaten, broken, blooded, and unable to retaliate. Yet they DID.
Also, I'm pretty sure killing anything that enters your bordrers, especally
unarmed peace envoys, counts as indiscriminate killing as well. So does the
attempted destruction of all life as we know it. (Heretic's attack, which the geth
never bothered to say wasn't supported by them.)
You have Absolutly NO idea of what genocide means, OR what indiscriminate killing means. ONCE again, you show blatent favortisim and prejudice. The geth became the agressors somewhere along the line. THEY started killing everything in their path. You scanction genocide as long as it's of ORGANICS, then? Or just if it's in "self-defense?" You really think that if a man tried to kill you, that it gives you the right to shoot his family, friends, neighbors, and aquantiances? Bucthering everyone you see doesn't strike you as being indiscriminate killing?
You refuse to acknowladge that the geth have just as much innocant blood on their hands. No one was disputing that the geth were attacked first. What they WERE disputing is that mass murder is acceptible, and that you think it's O.K. to mow down
crowds of people, just because ONE in the crowd attacked you. That it's ok to kill billions for an order that was done by just under several thousand, in an act of desperation that was don FOR said people's safety against a group that was going to attack you anyway. To murder entire cities - entire
planets - for a few agressors. THAT is slaughter. No less slaughter then how the Reapers target anything and everything, regrardless of being shot at or not.
And did you miss the part about the geth
being able to orginize complex counterattacks and stratigic assaults? Or how they had access to every information source avalible at the time? Or how they diliberately wiped out the quarians ancestroal archives when there was no reason to, other then the fact that it would demoralize the quarians with the complete and utter destruction of their histrory? THAT wasn't a priority target. If what you say is true, the geth would not have gone out of their way to erase the quarian's culture like that. That requires maliace, and an intent to knowingly inflict harm on their culture and will. So YOU don't BS ME about geth innocance and being "children doing something they didn't understand." Going out of their way to obliterate the quarians culture and soicaty constitutes as mass murder and willing partisipation and perpetuatation of conflict.
And AGAIN, you are unable to make a debate without dragging things like gang rape into this? What the HELL is wrong with you, bringing that in here? AGAIN.
Wasn't it agreed that we were NOT to use such things in these discussions, as that's sensitive territory best left untouched. The fact that you have no sense of this, or even any tact
on this matter just supports that you are in
no position to be lecturing anyone on morals and genocide, as you
Look what @Rip504 said as well. HOW can you be so
blinded to the fact that the geth are NOT these poor, pitiful abused cherubs that you keep headcannoning yourself into thinking they are? There is a
difference between self-defense and mass murder. The geth crossed the line at some point. They were justified in defending against the people shooting them. They were NOT justified in butchering anyone that happened to be in the way, OR in going out of the way to attack clear non-military targets for the sake of overzelousness (Adas mining colony massicared for no reason other then being a quarian world. When the targets are attacked for simply being quarian, that's when the geth crossed the line in the war).
And yes the quarians attempted genocide (for the sake of making sure their culture wouldn't be destroyed by the Council's wrath), but you act like full genocide justifies attempted genocide. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." You CANNOT bash the quarians for a sin caused in desperation, then support the geth for the SAME THING. They BOTH enacted the same sin out of desperation and justifiable reasons.
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Quarians who died from deprivation.
