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[Wesker1984]

I discovered something after replaying the last minutes of Mass Effect 3. Immediatly after the conversation with the Catalyst when you regain control of Shepard, if you wait too long before choosing your ending you die and the ''game over'' message say the Crucible was destroyed. What it mean? The Reapers doesn’t want the cycles to end? Even if the Catalyst want a new solution? Does it mean the Catalyst is not in full control of the Reapers?

[SpamBot2000]

It means the Catalyst wants one thing, for "the" Shepard to submit. And if that's not happening quick enough, he's content to keep the liquidations going forever. New solution my shiny metal ass.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 mars 2013 - 07:29 .

[Wesker1984]

Interesting opinion. Other thought, anyone?

[Random Geth]

Wesker1984 wrote...

Interesting opinion. Other thought, anyone?

Starbrat is full of crap, and that's all there is to it.  The only difference is picking which WAY in which he's full of crap, such as the one SpamBot2000 proposed.

[andy6915]

The Crucible was forcing him to relay information whether he liked it or not, even forcing him to bring up the destroy option when it was the number 1 thing he DIDN'T want chosen... And even explain how to do it. He also hated control, but was forced to mention it too. He didn't have a say in anything. If I decide to choose destroy or control, the best he can do is whine about it because he has absolutely no recourse to stop me. He can't even try a lie of omission, because the Crucible wasn't letting him do that either. Best he can do is make the Reapers destroy the Crucible before Shepard does something it doesn't like.

He didn't help you by choice, he didn't want to, gave you options he despised and told you how to do it regardless of his opinions, and was even forced to bring you up on that elevator at the control panel (the fact that he acts really really ticked off when he does this a low EMS is proof of that, because why else would he bring you up if he didn't even want you up there to begin with?). He was 100% at your mercy, being forced to do what you and the Crucible demanded.

That is also why refuse shuts down the Crucible. The Crucible was linked with you, and was doing what you asked it to. From the moment you touched the control panel, it was doing what your mind told it to. When you refuse, you're pretty much telling the Crucible to shut down. It's asking you through the Catalyst "what do you wish this program to perform?", and refusing is like you clicking cancel. Think of it as a computer, you have an EXE file (a non-virus one, before someone gets cute) asking what you wish to do and refusing is you clicking to cancel the file altogether. The moment you did that, the Catalyst stopped being controlled by the Crucible and regained full control of himself, which is why he's suddenly talking like a Reaper and making it clear that he's going to keep killing everyone, you handed the choice back to the Reapers by choice because of refusing. Refusing is telling the Crucible to shut down and allowing the Catalyst to regain control... Which is why it's such a supremely stupid choice. So when the Crucible asks what function you want done, give it a real answer, don't close the program out of fear.


Bottom line, the Catalyst was a scared litte b**ch who could at best use some word manipulation to try to coerce you into picking the option he preferred... Or do something supremely stupid and reject the Crucible by mentally rejecting it either by saying it out loud as you thought it in your head or by shooting the Crucible's current mouthpiece. Make no mistake, destroy is the very last thing he wants. When you go up there with low EMS and destroy is the only option, he's sounds really angry. That anger is because he knows that he doesn't even have a chance to avoiding destroy, there's no options but that. Yet he still has to bring you up there even though you coming up angers him so much. Kind of telling actually (doesn't want you up there=brings you up anyway=clearly not a being in control of themselves).

That is why the Reaper's are trying to destroy the Crucible, and succeed if you take too long. The Catalyst wants free of the Crucible so he can get back to doing things his own way, and ordering its Reapers to keep attacking it to free it is a way to do that. The Catalyst WANTS the Crucible destroyed, it's a weapon that can end everything it's done, end its plans, and is currently controlling him with an iron grip. It's ultimate want is to have the Crucible destroyed the Catalyst able to control itself again and stop being a mouthpiece for the device and making it divulge info and bring up elevators it didn't want to.

Modifié par andy69156915, 17 mars 2013 - 08:13 .

[Ticonderoga117]

It's a "Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" timer. Of course, thanks to it, it completely makes the Catalyst a bloody moron.

[Dr_Extrem]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

It's a "Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" timer. Of course, thanks to it, it completely makes the Catalyst a bloody moron.

it does not need the timer to achieve that.

[Wesker1984]

Interesting reading andy69156915 and thank you very much for taking your time to write that text! Yes your vision make the Catalyst reaction more logic and understanding.

Thank you again, you are the only one in this topic who has make a constructive, inteligent and serious answer. I appreciate that.

For the others i'm tired of those kind of answers ''Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" or ''Starbrat is full of crap, and that's all there is to it. The only difference is picking which WAY in which he's full of crap'' !

When i want answers about the actual story of the game i want mature and inteligent answers and not the same repeating bablings everyone throw here since last year. If you want to criticize negatively the game or its endings just try to post in a less moronic way please. Because i really dont care about all your anger toward Mass Effect 3 since i still enjoy the game.

It is too much to ask?

No hating here.

Modifié par Wesker1984, 17 mars 2013 - 06:16 .

[LiL Reapur]

Wesker1984 wrote...

Interesting reading andy69156915 and thank you very much for taking your time to write that text! Yes your vision make the Catalyst reaction more logic and understanding.

Thank you again, you are the only one here who has make a constructive, inteligent and serious answer. I appreciate that.

For the others i'm tired of those kind of answers ''Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" or ''Starbrat is full of crap, and that's all there is to it. The only difference is picking which WAY in which he's full of crap'' !

When i want answers about the actual story of the game i want mature and inteligent answers and not the same repeating bablings everyone throw here since last year. If you want to criticize negatively the game or its endings just try to post in a less moronic way please. Because i really dont care about all your anger toward Mass Effect 3 since i still enjoy the game.

It is too much to ask?

No hating here.

What he said times infinity.

[mumba]

Wesker1984 wrote...

Interesting reading andy69156915 and thank you very much for taking your time to write that text! Yes your vision make the Catalyst reaction more logic and understanding.

Thank you again, you are the only one in this topic who has make a constructive, inteligent and serious answer. I appreciate that.

For the others i'm tired of those kind of answers ''Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" or ''Starbrat is full of crap, and that's all there is to it. The only difference is picking which WAY in which he's full of crap'' !

When i want answers about the actual story of the game i want mature and inteligent answers and not the same repeating bablings everyone throw here since last year. If you want to criticize negatively the game or its endings just try to post in a less moronic way please. Because i really dont care about all your anger toward Mass Effect 3 since i still enjoy the game.

It is too much to ask?

No hating here.

You'll get more mature and constructive answers on 4chan than you would here. 

[Brovikk Rasputin]

edit: not worth it

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 17 mars 2013 - 06:34 .

[Hurbster]

Oh dear, the sense of smug superiority in this thread is very amusing !

[chemiclord]

I think posters are going to have to accept that a good many other posters are still bitter, angry, upset, emotional, and pissed-off about the ending, and that said posters are GOING to tell anyone they can at every opportunity for the forseeable future.

You're just gonna have to ignore them.

[NeonFlux117]

It's a game mechanic. It's there because it's there. It's there because ME3 is a video game. The endings are what they are. There is no hidden message or secret ending. Bioware isn't competent, smart enough or ballzy enough to roll with something like IT. Deus ex machina is good enough for them.

[CaIIisto]

Taking too long is a defacto refuse in the Catalyst's view, hence the cycle continues, the crucible is destroyed, you lose, game over.

[WheatleyHQ]

Holy sh!t that can happen?

I'm going to go try it now.

[MKfighter89]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

It's a "Don't think too long about these crap endings. Just pick one!" timer. Of course, thanks to it, it completely makes the Catalyst a bloody moron.

it does not need the timer to achieve that.

Just pause the game and think about it 

[CaIIisto]

What's to think about? Surely it should only take a few seconds to realize that Control and Synthesis are for collaborators and surrender-monkeys........

[MKfighter89]

Bester76 wrote...

What's to think about? Surely it should only take a few seconds to realize that Control and Synthesis are for collaborators and surrender-monkeys........

True I never think I go to destroy, but now I can't walk backwards shooting the starbrat.

Modifié par JillBSuiT, 17 mars 2013 - 07:12 .

[CaIIisto]

JillBSuiT wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

What's to think about? Surely it should only take a few seconds to realize that Control and Synthesis are for collaborators and surrender-monkeys........

True I never think I go to destroy, but now I can't walk backwards shooting the starbrat.

Well no, but there's nothing stopping you from unleashing a verbal volley of expletives as you make your way to the tube. I know that's what I do......                                                                                        

[Linkenski]

The gameplay team didn't even get the logic of this scene, so they accidentally made this game over screen. Poor Mac. Can't write coherent stories.

[Wesker1984]

Thanks to all for your opinions on the subject.

chemiclord wrote...

I think posters are going to have to accept that a good many other posters are still bitter, angry, upset, emotional, and pissed-off about the ending, and that said posters are GOING to tell anyone they can at every opportunity for the forseeable future.

You're just gonna have to ignore them.

I accept that many peoples(maybe the majority) are still bitter about the endings, myself i still have some grudges about the last 20 minutes of the game but those peoples can be more constructive with their way of explaining something without going so moronic and immature by shooting some insults here and here. It just pathetic.

And the same thing apply to the other gamers who appreciate the game and doesn't care about the endings, share your opinions in a constructive way you too.

PS: Sorry for my bad english it not my native language.

Modifié par Wesker1984, 17 mars 2013 - 07:34 .

[valkulon]

It means that the person who could use the Crucible is no longer able to, so the Catalyst continues as normal.

[Wesker1984]

I like that description of yours Valhart.

[l7986]

Meh just always assumed Shepard was bleeding out as he talked to the starbastard and if you took to long he eventually croaked.