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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

All the characters pretty much default to what ever Shepard does is right. They only time Shepard can alienate any of them is in two incidents: Jack/Miranda, and Tali/Legion -- OR by failing to complete or failing their loyalty missions, and you really have to try hard to fail the loyalty missions.

I did find the promotions a bit out of range. Ashley getting promoted to 2nd Lt? Fine. Kaidan getting promoted to Major? GTF outta here. I'll accept Lt. Cmdr. but not Major.

But Jack? Grissom just got her away from who she really didn't want to be. She'll always be damaged goods, but she needed to be guided down a gentler path. It is possible.

I had a college professor who was a real bad ass at one time. In and out of jail, and finally a judge gave him a choice for a sentence -- 10 years in the state pen, or go in the military if he could work something out. This was way back. They did. The guy served in Korea. Used the GI Bill, went to college, and got a Ph.D. Straightened his life out.

[Shaleist]

I can agree with that part, shotgun...just can't see Jack joining the alliance and being trusted as an instructor to cadets in a matter of a few months. The alliance makes some awfully hasty decisions it seems.

[AlexMBrennan]

Thoughts, opinions?

ME2 features a good amount of railroading. Well done for noticing.

[Ryzaki]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Kaidan and Ashley gets promoted to Lt. Commander prior to the Reaper War however. I don't think their promotions can be attributed to massive casualties, though of course players can head canon that they don't get promoted until after Earth is invaded.

Didn't a whole bunch of people die in the fight against Sovereign? Especially if you decided to save the Council?

Only a few thousand.

2400 humans die in the battle of the Citadel if the Council is saved. Unless the Alliance was a tiny organization of only a few thousand people (which would contradict lore, as humanity is a militarily powerful faction) that wouldn't be nearly enough to so thoroughly deplete the ranks that an enlisted man (Ashley) could jump several ranks to Lt. Commander. You'd need hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties before things got that dire.

Ah.

But that mixed in with the "OMG hero of the Citadel!" factor? Still a no go? 

Meh.

Also it is complete BS that Shep has yet to get a promotion. I mean really..

[CronoDragoon]

I'm a bit confused why Tali being an admiral is so stupid. Since when has Xen been shown to be a good leader? There's clearly more to being a quarian admiral than your ability to command.

[Wulfram]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Didn't a whole bunch of people die in the fight against Sovereign? Especially if you decided to save the Council?

Only a few thousand.

2400 humans die in the battle of the Citadel if the Council is saved. Unless the Alliance was a tiny organization of only a few thousand people (which would contradict lore, as humanity is a militarily powerful faction) that wouldn't be nearly enough to so thoroughly deplete the ranks that an enlisted man (Ashley) could jump several ranks to Lt. Commander. You'd need hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties before things got that dire.

War Assets seem to have retconned this.  1st, 3rd and 5th fleets all lost a 3rd of their vessels at the Battle of the Citadel

Ryzaki wrote...

Also it is complete BS that Shep has yet to get a promotion. I mean really..

Shepard goes around shouting at generals, admirals and heads of state.  They really don't need a promotion.  Unless it's to God-Emperor.

Modifié par Wulfram, 20 mars 2013 - 07:46 .

[Steelcan]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I did find the promotions a bit out of range. Ashley getting promoted to 2nd Lt? Fine. Kaidan getting promoted to Major? GTF outta here. I'll accept Lt. Cmdr. but not Major.

. So Ashley jumping from NCo to a fairly high ranking officer in 6 months is more plausible than Kaidan jumping two ranks......<_<

[DeathScepter]

Obadiah wrote...

Jack is a sociopath. If she was a psychopath, there wouldn't be an option to stop her from killing Aresh - someone who less than a minute before tried to have Shep's squad killed.

there is no difference with sociopaths and psychopaths. the only true difference is One is born and One is made. Jack has Some traits of Anti Social personality disorder with lack of impluse control.

In Mass Effect, there are very few true sociopaths and even few psychopaths. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Steelcan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I did find the promotions a bit out of range. Ashley getting promoted to 2nd Lt? Fine. Kaidan getting promoted to Major? GTF outta here. I'll accept Lt. Cmdr. but not Major.

. So Ashley jumping from NCo to a fairly high ranking officer in 6 months is more plausible than Kaidan jumping two ranks......<_<

Ashley I figured went through Officer Candidate School. I figured the Alliance had something similar -- 90 days -> 2nd Lt. but to a Staff Lt? Someone at Bioware was smoking something really good.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 20 mars 2013 - 08:05 .

[Shaleist]

Who is tali in charge of as admiral. Doesn't seem like she has a post that warrants an admiral...if she really can just up and leave the fleet in the middle of a galactic invasion at least.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

AINO. Admiral In Name Only. She could be an admiral, but she doesn't act like an admiral. She's as decisive as Auntie Raan. it must run in the genetic line.

I think Xen was the only one with brains.

[Shaleist]

I would have preffered Xen as the token me3 quarian over Tali tbh

Ok, if we view Admiral as being honorarily issued ranks it makes sense.

[Ryzaki]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I'm a bit confused why Tali being an admiral is so stupid. Since when has Xen been shown to be a good leader? There's clearly more to being a quarian admiral than your ability to command.

I always accepted it because it is pretyt blatant it's just a political move. Everyone knows Tali is a bad leader.

Wulfram wrote...

Shepard goes around shouting at generals,
admirals and heads of state.  They really don't need a promotion. 
Unless it's to God-Emperor.

Great so the only way he gets a promotion is to pick Control? *grumbles*

[Hendrik.III]

Jack is a psychopath... I'd sooner expected Miranda to train those kids, not Jack the Bionic Ripper.

[nos_astra]

Ryzaki wrote...
I always accepted it because it is pretyt blatant it's just a political move. Everyone knows Tali is a bad leader. 

There is an abundance of pointless political moves in the Mass Effect universe.

[nos_astra]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Ashley I figured went through Officer Candidate School. I figured the Alliance had something similar -- 90 days -> 2nd Lt. but to a Staff Lt? Someone at Bioware was smoking something really good.

Clearly one of those political moves. 

Jack becoming a teacher? Political move.
Kaidan/Ashley for SPETCRE? Political move.
Garrus in line for next Primarch? Political move. Wait, that was because all comptent leaders have died on Palaven.

Anyone else I forgot to mention? 

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mars 2013 - 09:35 .

[CronoDragoon]

klarabella wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I always accepted it because it is pretyt blatant it's just a political move. Everyone knows Tali is a bad leader. 

There is an abundance of pointless political moves in the Mass Effect universe.

Is it really pointless? Tali is the only quarian that anyone outside the Flotilla even knows or respects. She is the avatar of the quarian people by the time ME3 rolls around. Plus, she knows a lot about the geth, plus the admiralty board may feel a bit guilty about exploiting her for their selfish purposes in her ME2 loyalty mission.

She is by no means the perfect choice for an admiral, but I saw no one in her loyalty mission on the flotilla I'd pick over her. 

[spirosz]

Hendrik.III wrote...

Jack is a psychopath... I'd sooner expected Miranda to train those kids, not Jack the Bionic Ripper.

She is not a pyschopath, read over the pages. 

[Goneaviking]

Shaleist wrote...

Who is tali in charge of as admiral. Doesn't seem like she has a post that warrants an admiral...if she really can just up and leave the fleet in the middle of a galactic invasion at least.

I think Admiral means something different to Quarians than it does to the rest of us. My take is that each of the admirals have different responsibilities like Xen and her science operations, that other guy and his civilian fleet. Tali makes the Quarians look good to outsiders which is important once they realize they need help to get out of the mess they've created by attacking the Geth, who could garner support more effectively than the only Quarian anyone's ever heard of? Who just happened to save the Citadel a couple of years ago (so all those outsiders owe her a favour anyway).