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Should rape be a game mechanic in Dragon Age 3?


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#76
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I don't think rape should be a game mechanic but I am not opposed to an attempted rape scene being used in a game by some evil character attempting to rape or implying that he plans to rape a helpless or imprisoned victim.

The OP clearly asked for rape being performed by the PC. It makes a world of difference, because it makes it legit, in a way. Having a villain do it is another thing entirely, and has been done numerous times, including in DAO.


Yes.

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Drone 5 wrote...

*Sigh* Everyone. Just play A Dance With Rogues. Do it now, and I will genuinely be okay with mods locking the thread, as unfortunate as it may be.


You're getting a hell of a kick out of this aren't you...

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discosuperfly wrote...

"Tasteful" rape. WTF is wrong with you?



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....Lock?

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What about raping rapists then?


You don't beat evil by doing evil.

Rape should never be featured in games (or anywhere) in a positive light.

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BSN, classy as ever. WTF is wrong with the OP.

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Only on the BSN.

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You Americans are so funny

I know right. My country is doomed.

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Why is Biowares community so weird..

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Wow. I wouldn't believe OP is legitimately wanting this into a game and won't understand it's ****ed up. The ways people lack reason nowadays...

How exactly do you envision such a "mechanic", OP? Killing is ok when in self-defense, and games center around that, with most of it being just that (which justifies the mechanic as such). But I've never heard Rape being justified as self-defense. It doesn't have any context it could be good in. And "consensual" rape is contradictory to the term itself.

edit: sheesh, this one is definitely a troll. Obvious trolling behavior with the occasional "I'm not a troll" statement.

Modifié par eroeru, 17 mars 2013 - 04:24 .


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sandalisthemaker wrote...

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btw, I don't think you're trolling - not really - but you sound very, very clueless.


OP has a 'rape fetish'.  He/she basically said so in the last thread they made on this subject.


What a fool.  Can they even start to comprehend the psychological damage that rape causes to anyone of either gender?


I can't believe someone would even suggest that. 

OP:

You are quite the special cookie.  I hope I never meet you in person.

Modifié par lady_v23, 17 mars 2013 - 04:22 .


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If you've played any sort of mainstream video game in the past decade aside from casual mobile crap then you should probably be in prison. Obviously butchering those poor innocent pixels makes you a psychologically ill criminal.


I'll be the first to agree that doing something while playing a video game is a FAR cry from the real life action.  I'll also agree that game playing does not contribute to degenerate behavior IRL.

Murder is wrong.  But killing and murder are not the same thing.  There is a reason that it is a defense to a charge of murder that you killed in self defense - it's called justification.

Under what stretch of the imagination can you claim to have raped someone in self-defense?

Likewise, killing in games - games of a certain nature - are part of the world, part of the necessary behavior.  You want something, so does someone else, you fight, someone dies.  Someone wants to stop you, they attack you physically, try to kill you so you can't do what they don't want, someone dies.

How does rape meet that purpose?  "I want to make sure character X never gets this item.  I know, I'll rape them!!!".  How does that make ANY sense?

Rape is a crime of power for the perpetrator, and denigration for the victim.  It is all about asserting ones power and dehumanizing another person.  How does it  advance your goals in any way?

And in what sick, twisted world do you even WANT to live out that dyamic?


I'm pretty sure Kratos killing civs in God of War isn't self defense but it is acceptable

Killing and rape are both a means of showing your power over another person yet one is socially acceptable in a fictional setting whilst the other isn't.

It can easily be spun as to why you would want to play a game where your main goal is to kill people? Your a monster and a real life murderer if you want to do that.

Or we can accept that both are wrong and portraying it in a game has no bearing on the person who decides to engage in it in a fictional setting

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MH19 wrote...

Drone 5 wrote...
What about raping rapists then?


You don't beat evil by doing evil.


Yes you do

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Drone 5 wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

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As long as it is handled tastefully and isn't viewed strictly as a black/white 'thing', I think entertaining the concept could be worthwhile. Whaddya think?

There's no way rape committed by the PC can be handled tastefully. This is crossing a line into highly triggering territory, and, seriously, rape as a game mechanic is in itself tasteless.

And I really don't think you can mitigate it in any way in order to have it non "black and white".


I disagree. Quick example: X group of bandits kills the PC's LI. Your character rapes their leader. It's not black and white.



I am greatly disturbed that you think rape can be justified in any circumstance.

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NOR_MAN_DEE wrote...

MH19 wrote...

Drone 5 wrote...
What about raping rapists then?


You don't beat evil by doing evil.


Yes you do

You only make it worse as it creates another Fleece Johnson.

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This thread is bad and you should feel bad...

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Sigh, okay, here's a fanfic that manages to include rape fairly tastefully. It's a Fallout piece:

"With that said, my life is not very enjoyable. All of the senses I am so grateful for grant me no pleasure. I have been staring at the same ceiling, walls, and floor for as long as I can remember. There is nothing for me to smell but my own waste and the body odor of the man who rapes me. There is nothing to listen to, except for his grunting and heavy breathing. There is nothing for me to taste except for his repulsive gruel. The only sensations that ever grace my skin are the chains at my hands and feet, and sharp pain at the most sensitive part of my body.
I am not sure how long I have been in this room. I do know that when I first came here, the stench was overpowering, and each time I was forced to have sex, the pain was unbearable. But now the stenches hardly bother me, and sex does not hurt as much as it once did. In fact, nothing means as much as it once did. Nothing is important anymore. Nothing in this room feels special to me. Everything is just...there.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm in a dream. When I go to sleep, sometimes I dream of my father's death. Sometimes I dream that I am being raped. When I am raped while I am awake, and raped in my dreams, it is hard to tell when I am awake and when I am dreaming.
I have difficulty recalling how often I am raped and how many times it has happened. Sometimes it seems to happen all day long, and sometimes it feels like days have passed since the last time. It is difficult for me to concentrate on anything anymore.
I have not accepted my new life, but I have acknowledged what I have become. I was once a person, but now I am a body. I have become an object that has feelings. If I died, then I would have nothing at all, and so I will continue to live. To continue my life means to lie here on this bed, where I will be raped every day."

Find the rest of it here: http://www.fanfictio...-of-a-Sex-Slave

Not everything is as you would make it out to be.

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OP's previous two threads got locked. I'm sure this one will too.

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and you want to take advantage of that an roleplay in a goddamn GAME you sick individual

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Threads like this are why I drink in the morning. People ****ing suck.

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Drone 5 wrote...

Sigh, okay, here's a fanfic that manages to include rape fairly tastefully. It's a Fallout piece:

"With that said, my life is not very enjoyable. All of the senses I am so grateful for grant me no pleasure. I have been staring at the same ceiling, walls, and floor for as long as I can remember. There is nothing for me to smell but my own waste and the body odor of the man who rapes me. There is nothing to listen to, except for his grunting and heavy breathing. There is nothing for me to taste except for his repulsive gruel. The only sensations that ever grace my skin are the chains at my hands and feet, and sharp pain at the most sensitive part of my body.
I am not sure how long I have been in this room. I do know that when I first came here, the stench was overpowering, and each time I was forced to have sex, the pain was unbearable. But now the stenches hardly bother me, and sex does not hurt as much as it once did. In fact, nothing means as much as it once did. Nothing is important anymore. Nothing in this room feels special to me. Everything is just...there.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm in a dream. When I go to sleep, sometimes I dream of my father's death. Sometimes I dream that I am being raped. When I am raped while I am awake, and raped in my dreams, it is hard to tell when I am awake and when I am dreaming.
I have difficulty recalling how often I am raped and how many times it has happened. Sometimes it seems to happen all day long, and sometimes it feels like days have passed since the last time. It is difficult for me to concentrate on anything anymore.
I have not accepted my new life, but I have acknowledged what I have become. I was once a person, but now I am a body. I have become an object that has feelings. If I died, then I would have nothing at all, and so I will continue to live. To continue my life means to lie here on this bed, where I will be raped every day."

Find the rest of it here: http://www.fanfictio...-of-a-Sex-Slave

Not everything is as you would make it out to be.


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Drone 5 wrote...

Sigh, okay, here's a fanfic that manages to include rape fairly tastefully. It's a Fallout piece:

"With that said, my life is not very enjoyable. All of the senses I am so grateful for grant me no pleasure. I have been staring at the same ceiling, walls, and floor for as long as I can remember. There is nothing for me to smell but my own waste and the body odor of the man who rapes me. There is nothing to listen to, except for his grunting and heavy breathing. There is nothing for me to taste except for his repulsive gruel. The only sensations that ever grace my skin are the chains at my hands and feet, and sharp pain at the most sensitive part of my body.
I am not sure how long I have been in this room. I do know that when I first came here, the stench was overpowering, and each time I was forced to have sex, the pain was unbearable. But now the stenches hardly bother me, and sex does not hurt as much as it once did. In fact, nothing means as much as it once did. Nothing is important anymore. Nothing in this room feels special to me. Everything is just...there.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm in a dream. When I go to sleep, sometimes I dream of my father's death. Sometimes I dream that I am being raped. When I am raped while I am awake, and raped in my dreams, it is hard to tell when I am awake and when I am dreaming.
I have difficulty recalling how often I am raped and how many times it has happened. Sometimes it seems to happen all day long, and sometimes it feels like days have passed since the last time. It is difficult for me to concentrate on anything anymore.
I have not accepted my new life, but I have acknowledged what I have become. I was once a person, but now I am a body. I have become an object that has feelings. If I died, then I would have nothing at all, and so I will continue to live. To continue my life means to lie here on this bed, where I will be raped every day."

Find the rest of it here: http://www.fanfictio...-of-a-Sex-Slave

Not everything is as you would make it out to be.


That is not a game mechanic, rather a story element.

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Wow. I wouldn't believe OP is legitimately wanting this into a game and won't understand it's ****ed up. The ways people lack reason nowadays...

How exactly do you envision such a "mechanic", OP? Killing is ok when in self-defense, and games center around that, with most of it being just that (which justifies the mechanic as such). But I've never heard Rape being justified as self-defense. It doesn't have any context it could be good in. And "consensual" rape is contradictory to the term itself.

edit: sheesh, this one is definitely a troll. Obvious trolling behavior with the occasional "I'm not a troll" statement.


You know less than less. Such a mechanic could be optional. It doesn't have to be self-defense, it can constitute revenge. It may take on the form of a 'reward system' (if an NPC cannot pay you in gold he/she owes you a favor).

Nice job trying to pretend that killing characters in video games is always done under the banner of self-defense. I could probably list you a dozen characters in each BioWare game which you decidedly don't kill out of self-defense.

Modifié par Drone 5, 17 mars 2013 - 04:32 .


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Not by raping the rapist, but I wouldn't mind a 1600's witch-hunt style quest for hunting them down.
If you do want to punish this type of person or perhaps even a case where you try to prove the rapist did in fact rape and both of these scenarios could give you many different ways to deal with the situations.

But including it as a gameplay mechanic is just unnecessary.

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and you want to take advantage of that an roleplay in a goddamn GAME you sick individual

People roleplay that in real life consensually. I don't understand the argument that a video game would make it worse.