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[Maria Caliban]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

[Dirgegun]

Drone 5 wrote...

eroeru wrote...


Wow. I wouldn't believe OP is legitimately wanting this into a game and won't understand it's ****ed up. The ways people lack reason nowadays...

How exactly do you envision such a "mechanic", OP? Killing is ok when in self-defense, and games center around that, with most of it being just that (which justifies the mechanic as such). But I've never heard Rape being justified as self-defense. It doesn't have any context it could be good in. And "consensual" rape is contradictory to the term itself.

edit: sheesh, this one is definitely a troll. Obvious trolling behavior with the occasional "I'm not a troll" statement.

You know less than less. Such a mechanic could be optional. It doesn't have to be self-defense, it can constitute revenge. It may take on the form of a 'reward system' (if an NPC cannot pay you in gold he/she owes you a favor).

Nice job trying to pretend that killing characters in video games is always done under the banner of self-defense. I could probably list you a dozen characters in each BioWare game which you decidedly don't kill out of self-defense.

I fret and fear for the safety of every individual you interact with.

[TJPags]

Drone 5 wrote...

Sigh, okay, here's a fanfic that manages to include rape fairly tastefully. It's a Fallout piece:

"With that said, my life is not very enjoyable. All of the senses I am so grateful for grant me no pleasure. I have been staring at the same ceiling, walls, and floor for as long as I can remember. There is nothing for me to smell but my own waste and the body odor of the man who rapes me. There is nothing to listen to, except for his grunting and heavy breathing. There is nothing for me to taste except for his repulsive gruel. The only sensations that ever grace my skin are the chains at my hands and feet, and sharp pain at the most sensitive part of my body.
I am not sure how long I have been in this room. I do know that when I first came here, the stench was overpowering, and each time I was forced to have sex, the pain was unbearable. But now the stenches hardly bother me, and sex does not hurt as much as it once did. In fact, nothing means as much as it once did. Nothing is important anymore. Nothing in this room feels special to me. Everything is just...there.
Sometimes I feel as though I'm in a dream. When I go to sleep, sometimes I dream of my father's death. Sometimes I dream that I am being raped. When I am raped while I am awake, and raped in my dreams, it is hard to tell when I am awake and when I am dreaming.
I have difficulty recalling how often I am raped and how many times it has happened. Sometimes it seems to happen all day long, and sometimes it feels like days have passed since the last time. It is difficult for me to concentrate on anything anymore.
I have not accepted my new life, but I have acknowledged what I have become. I was once a person, but now I am a body. I have become an object that has feelings. If I died, then I would have nothing at all, and so I will continue to live. To continue my life means to lie here on this bed, where I will be raped every day."

Find the rest of it here: http://www.fanfictio...-of-a-Sex-Slave

Not everything is as you would make it out to be.

See, now I know you've lost it.

How can you read that - which basically explains the utter victimization that a rape victim feels, the helplessness, and utter lack of self-interest - and feel that this is somehow a good thing to do?

[Burnham1]

Sutekh wrote...

Burnham1 wrote...

I don't think rape should be a game mechanic but I am not opposed to an attempted rape scene being used in a game by some evil character attempting to rape or implying that he plans to rape a helpless or imprisoned victim.

The OP clearly asked for rape being performed by the PC. It makes a world of difference, because it makes it legit, in a way. Having a villain do it is another thing entirely, and has been done numerous times, including in DAO.

I know what the OP said. I acknowledged it by saying I don't think it should be a game mechanic. Then I tried to open the discussion up to in what situations could it be used. Like you said, it has been done and even done in this very series with the City elf origin story.

The idea of making it a game mechanic is something I am not interested in in the slightest. But it was a very powerful tool used in DAO and can be used in the future. The whole idea that rape has no place in video games like some people seem to allude to is shortsighted in my opinion. It is a very powerful story device, and no worse than the act of murder, which is an act your character can do in Origins as well. You can murder the prisoner in Ostager instead of taking the time to give him food, just so you can get his key. It is just strange how sex (and its extreme form, rape) are viewed as so much worse than killing (and its extreme form, murder).

I think the OP is clearly trying to illustrate that point. I don't know if the OP actually wants to have rape as a mechanic or if he is just using it as a controversial topic to try and show how messed up our rationallity and morallity is when it comes to those two things. If that is his purpose, he is going about it in a roundabout and terrible way, but that is still how I interpret the purpose of this thread.

[lady_v23]

Even if it is trolling this is way too much.  I really hope you are not serious.. because if you are.. may God have mercy on your soul.

[Joy Sauce]

Again? Didn't this thread get locked down before? Oh wait, this time he wants it to be a "game mechanic" instead of a story element.

Dude, what's wrong with you?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

5 pages in an hour? Man knows how to troll!

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

And Ves, Twice.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 17 mars 2013 - 04:39 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Wow this is taking forever to get locked.

[eroeru]

Read my post. I didn't say "always", but as most killing is shown in a context in which it can be justified, it is justified as a mechanic (which can be role-played for whatever sick mind as well though).

Most people won't find rape "rewarding". Not those playing the game, nor the hypothetical victim (latter being the reason for it to be always wrong, as by definition).

[Aolbain]

How is this thread still open?
Hell, even rape as a story element is tricky to handle right, making it game mechanic just seams  ridiculously stupid.

[unbentbuzzkill]

no ................just no what a truly disturbing thread.

[MisterJB]

MH19 wrote...
You don't beat evil by doing evil.

Well, I'd say that depends on the evil. Killing is widely considered as evil but if we kill murderers, we prevent them from ever hurting anyone ever again.
Thus, we defeat evil by doing evil.

[thebigbad1013]

No.

Why do these threads keep popping up? It's quite disturbing.

[MisterJB]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

That's a story element. The DA series has also had rape as a story element.
Neither game, on the other hand, has ever had rape as a game mechanic. Geralt never has the option to rape anyone.

[The Hierophant]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

5 pages in an hour? Man knows how to troll!

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

And Ves, Twice.

I think Heretic took issue with spirosz's post as it implies that TW has rape as a gameplay mechanic, as this is what the op wants added to DA's gameplay.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 17 mars 2013 - 04:47 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

....wtf?

[Sutekh]

Drone 5 wrote...

You know less than less. Such a mechanic could be optional. It doesn't have to be self-defense, it can constitute revenge. It may take on the form of a 'reward system' (if an NPC cannot pay you in gold he/she owes you a favor).

That would be vile, because it would be endorsing this kind of behaviour. And it's worse than killing because that kind of thing is done every day in the real world, much more often than murder, and much less punished. 

Nice job trying to pretend that killing characters in video games is always done under the banner of self-defense. I could probably list you a dozen characters in each BioWare game which you decidedly don't kill out of self-defense.

Not always self-defense, but you have to understand it doesn't strike the same nerve at all. Seriously. Rape is a very real threat women have been raised to fear for centuries, and still are. Being murdered is still possible, but less likely, especially the way killing happens in video games. There's a reason why there's a rape culture and not a murder culture. It implies lots of other things than the act itself.

There's something personal and intimate about rape which doesn't exist in VG killings. So, unless you kill people with refinements and looking them in the eyes as opposed to slaughtering the whole anonymous population of a village (as you can in TES, for instance), it will never be the same thing.

[Krista021]

Reported.

[sandalisthemaker]

PhoneticKupo wrote...

Reported.

The mods seem to have slept in today.

[Chromie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

That was NOT a game mechanic.

It's not at all like Rapelay.

Modifié par Skelter192, 17 mars 2013 - 04:54 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

5 pages in an hour? Man knows how to troll!

Maria Caliban wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's like the Witcher all ova.

Stop saying that. There is no rape in The Witcher games.

The elf woman who was kidnapped and forcibly impregnated?

And Ves, Twice.

True, but I meant that there is no rape to be seen in The Witcher and certainly no rape authored by the player.

The player cannot rape anyone, and the elf in Flotsam and Ves are both raped by NPCs off-screen, which makes it acceptable (not saying that the rape itself is acceptable, but the way it's used in the story and how it is presented in the game is acceptable).

[lil yonce]

Burnham1 wrote...

The idea of making it a game mechanic is something I am not interested in in the slightest. But it was a very powerful tool used in DAO and can be used in the future. The whole idea that rape has no place in video games like some people seem to allude to is shortsighted in my opinion. It is a very powerful story device, and no worse than the act of murder, which is an act your character can do in Origins as well. You can murder the prisoner in Ostager instead of taking the time to give him food, just so you can get his key. It is just strange how sex (and its extreme form, rape) are viewed as so much worse than killing (and its extreme form, murder).

And you can kill the survivor in the Kocari Wilds for no apparent reason. The PC can make a joke of it with Alistair. Murder for comic relief.

[The Heretic of Time]

Drone 5 wrote...

krul2k wrote...

and you want to take advantage of that an roleplay in a goddamn GAME you sick individual

People roleplay that in real life consensually. I don't understand the argument that a video game would make it worse.

There is a huge difference between roleplaying rape with your real-life partner ("rapeplay") and adding the option to rape as a game-mechanic in a video-game.

If you don't understand the difference than that's your limit. No offense, but you're probably still a virgin and/or you never tried "rapeplay" with your partner.

[Knight of Dane]

Drone 5 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Don't feed tha troll peeps.

Very constructive. Thanks for your input.

Just quit it.