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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

[HolyAvenger]

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

 

Correlation does not equate causation.

I also do not accept your premise that ME3 sucks. 

[Dagr88]

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

Elaborate.

If I'm not mistaken ME3 got extra budget for MP and was made by a team not related to SP production.

MP only sinned once and that when it took the perfect ending away from SP players.

+ the glitches

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

HolyAvenger wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

 

Correlation does not equate causation.

Yet there is an abundance of SP games with tacked on MP that says otherwise.

I also do not accept your premise that ME3 sucks. 

and yet it still sucks.

[HolyAvenger]

DinoSteve wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

 

Correlation does not equate causation.

Yet there is an abundance of SP games with tacked on MP that says otherwise.

I also do not accept your premise that ME3 sucks. 

and yet it still sucks.

 

Opinions eh.

My takeaway from most of the fanbase was that MP was a success, and while the game had issues, overall it was still quite good. 

Sorry you thought it sucked. The 1000+ hours I've sank it over the year or so shows that I clearly didn't think that. 

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

HolyAvenger wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope MP always makes SP suck, just look at ME3.

 

Correlation does not equate causation.

Yet there is an abundance of SP games with tacked on MP that says otherwise.

I also do not accept your premise that ME3 sucks. 

and yet it still sucks.

 

Opinions eh.

My takeaway from most of the fanbase was that MP was a success, and while the game had issues, overall it was still quite good. 

Sorry you thought it sucked. The 1000+ hours I've sank it over the year or so shows that I clearly didn't think that. 

Lets be clear I never said ME3's MP sucked.

[FKA_Servo]

Do we actually have any clues yet as to how MP might be implemented in DA?

Personally, I could see a Gauntlet-style group dungeon crawl being appropriate, as well as a ton of fun.

[imbs]

how does one manage to sink 1000+ hours into ME3....? I wish I was you m8 it must be quite the boon to be so easily entertained.

[HolyAvenger]

TommyServo wrote...

Do we actually have any clues yet as to how MP might be implemented in DA?

Personally, I could see a Gauntlet-style group dungeon crawl being appropriate, as well as a ton of fun.

 

We do not. I think horde mode will be in there as one option. Lets face it, DA2's combat worked like that anyway already. 

[Sarquindi]

Depends on what the MP is like. I certainly don't shy away from MP, so if it's done well then I'll be happy. Plus, my boyfriend is still in the process of moving to the states. Multiplayer games give us something to do together while waiting for our next visit.

[HolyAvenger]

imbs wrote...

how does one manage to sink 1000+ hours into ME3....? I wish I was you m8 it must be quite the boon to be so easily entertained.

 

700hrs or so into MP, the rest in SP.

I like it. There's a lot of different kits and powers to play around with, and different challenges such as soloing the hardest difficulty etc. The combat gameplay in ME3 is really unique for me. Smooth, fluid, excellent interplay between shooting and power usage etc. 

I get that horde mode isn't for everyone, and I wish they had implemented co-op missions and the like. 

[Iakus]

Just want to reiterate that if MP is on the disks and there isn't at least as much SP content as DAO, then I will walk away.

[Fast Jimmy]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
 Please keep it far, FAR away from DA.

 

That ship has sailed IMO (see the post why I bumped the thread). 

Meh. It could very well be that Hendricks is taking that info for ME4. Or that they wanted feedback on level design in general, which could be applied to SP segments just as easily.

A few questions on the forum boards does not "the ship has sailed" for ME3's MP in DA3. 

Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't be surprised by it. But I really hope that is not the case. While the gameplay itself may have been more entertaining than many would have given it credit for, it still was incredibly simplified (Horde mode only, no team competition, no PvP competition, no objectives to accomplish other than survive, none of the dozen more or so MP components that can be found in your standard MP shooter), it was designed to emphasize grinding and "gotta-collect-'em-all" style items, it showcased Microtransactions and it locked SP content if you did not play the MP.

All of those things are disgusting to me, as a player. If you are going to have MP, don't force it through SP story content. If you are going to have grinding equipment, don't dangle the fact that you can trade real-life money for said grind gear. And if you are going to use all of the above, at least make the MP more complex in playstyle types than just Horde.

[dekkerd]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
 Please keep it far, FAR away from DA.

 

That ship has sailed IMO (see the post why I bumped the thread). 

 Well, he was referring to the ME implementation, which, initially, has horrible. And, for many, poisoned the well for any future use in a SP franchise from bioware. 
 Micro transactions, same mode will have me avoid the MP gameplay. Tying SP endings or story in ANY material way to MP will have me avoid the game altogether. 

[HolyAvenger]

Yes, you've mentioned the reasons you didn't like it several times now. Fair enough. They aren't that compelling to me as negatives (the SP-MP link apart, which was fixed subsequently anyway).

And of course there's no confirmation, just IMO an increased likelihood of it happening.

[laudable11]

MP is great in ME3. I personally would love it Dragon Age.

[zeypher]

Look if its gonna be again a poor single player + good MP like me3 then i have to question if i will even consider purchasing the game. I got into these series for their single player not MP. Im fine if you release a MP only spinoff or whatever, but yea if it is going to have MP i will relegate the game to wait and see, to know if the SP is good. If not then im not interested.

[Fast Jimmy]

laudable11 wrote...

MP is great in ME3. I personally would love it Dragon Age.

Do you mind giving some feedback about what elements of ME3's MP would you love to see in an RPG Party-based mechanics of DA? I'm curious to see how people would want this ME3/DA MP hybrid to work.

[HolyAvenger]

Well, you could theorise the last set of kits for ME3 were quite suited to DA:

- Two-handed warrior with abilities (Krolord)
- True tank (Juggy)
- Archer with traps (Talon)
- Melee/rogue hybrid (Cabal)

...

[Twisted Path]

I'm not looking forward to any sort of multiplayer and won't play it. I'm hoping if there is multiplayer it's cheep and tacked on at the last minute so it hopefully doesn't divert to many resources from the actual game.

A little weird for multiplayer to be a "deal breaker" for some people. There are plenty of great games that I've enjoyed that have unnecessary, tacked on multiplayer that I just ignore. The new Tomb Raider comes to mind, and I haven't played it but I hear the new God of War is pretty good and has the same thing. Not that I think DA3 will go down like that, and of course there's a big difference between an RPG and an action game.

[Fast Jimmy]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Well, you could theorise the last set of kits for ME3 were quite suited to DA:

- Two-handed warrior with abilities (Krolord)
- True tank (Juggy)
- Archer with traps (Talon)
- Melee/rogue hybrid (Cabal)

...

Okay... so class kits.

That's one. Anything else?

How will you handle the party-driven experience of the DA games? Will it require other human players to don support roles? If so, I can see problems with that. Who would want to build a character that relies on other characters (outside of their control) being built right? In an MMO, it is easier, since you can Look For Group or even be part of a guild. With a MP component, it is far trickier to just hop in a match if you can't count on the right support skills.

Also, a large portion of the draw of MP is the action. Sniping enemies, throw grenades, using biotics... how will that work in a game like DA, whose auto-attack requires a lot of just standing and swinging? It is not like you control an archer and aim their bow... you just target the enemy and hit A. Same for every other class. Unless you are using a skill or kiting, there is not much else going on for control over one character at a time.



If not, and each player will have a full party at their compliment, will these be all custom characters (like the PC) as well? If not, how will you handle fifteen Varrics running around on screen? How will you handle balancing of enemies, when five players can have a four person party each, with 20 characters on screen for a small(ish) five player group?


This types of questions are what I worry about when people begin saying "copy ME3's MP!" They are two totally different games. You might as well be saying "Copy Pac-man's gameplay!" You could, sure... but then it wouldn't be a DA game at all. It would be Pac-man. Or, in this case, a single-player shooter.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 12 avril 2013 - 05:55 .

[berelinde]

As long as it's 100% optional and does not influence the single-player experience, I don't care if it's there. I won't play multiplayer because that isn't really my thing, but it doesn't bother me to have game features that I'll never use. After all, DA:O had a Dalish Origin, but I don't feel it detracted from the Mage Origin, Human Noble Origin, or Dwarf Noble Origin. That said, if you can't get the "best" ending unless you play multiplayer, I will rage.

Why won't I play multiplayer? It depends on what kind it is. If it's "Make up an adventuring party and conquer the world together," I might do it on the one occasion ever that my friends and I are all online at the same time. If it's "Arena combat, ARRRRRrrrgh!" I won't bother. I'm not competitive enough to find it enjoyable.

[Fast Jimmy]

scyphozoa wrote...

Yeah, I am excited to see what kind of MP game modes they have for DA3. I'd love to see something like Diablo, where every bit of the single player game is available for co-op. Human players can easily replace NPC companions in the party, and this will become a small co-op raiding party within the world of DA3. Yes please!

Alternatively, I think 4 v 4 party based PVP could work and be very cool. I'm sure some of your heads just exploded.

Not in the way you'd want. 

Co-op tied to the SP at all times is dangerously close to the Diablo3 requirement of Always-Online.

That's a 100%, complete and total deal-breaker for me. And I am sure many. 

[kumquats]

I really liked the ME3 MP and I can't say that I wouldn't love to play PvP online with some people on the BSN.
BUT, I quit ME3 MP and SW:TOR pretty early, since I can't play online games with gamebreaking bugs and glitches.
It's just frustrating and annoying.

I'm on the fence here.