I've always held the idea that Collectors are the elite special forces for the Reapers. They are perfectly altered over thousands of years and lore-wise it's why they are stronger.
Collectors outclass Reapers in every way...
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:13
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Reapers are actually the most balanced faction there is now.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:13
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They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:15
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I've always held the idea that Collectors are the elite special forces for the Reapers. They are perfectly altered over thousands of years and lore-wise it's why they are stronger.
Fine. Double the XP and money. I'll fight them all day then.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:15
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Collectors outclass all enemies, including even Geth. They're great in everything while not having single weakness. With the introduction of loldragoons and lolbombers Reapers became easiest faction.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:16
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Unit by unit comparison is not a good comparison in my opinion.
However in this case the Collectors are still better at what the Reapers do because the Reapers specialize in area denial, which the Collectors are amazing at with Praetorians.
The only thing is that the Collectors also have great ranged firepower to back that up, while the Reapers do not once Marauders stop flooding the wave.
The result is that the Reapers are the weakest faction because while they're supposed to be good at area denial they're really just easily kited.
However in this case the Collectors are still better at what the Reapers do because the Reapers specialize in area denial, which the Collectors are amazing at with Praetorians.
The only thing is that the Collectors also have great ranged firepower to back that up, while the Reapers do not once Marauders stop flooding the wave.
The result is that the Reapers are the weakest faction because while they're supposed to be good at area denial they're really just easily kited.
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They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
They will not get a new unit. Out of the question. Either a few Collector units get a nerf (Scions, Praetorians, Seekers)
or we get more money/XP for fighting current Collectors.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:18
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Air Quotes wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
They will not get a new unit. Out of the question. Either a few Collector units get a nerf (Scions, Praetorians, Seekers)
or we get more money/XP for fighting current Collectors.
Or the Reapers get a buff.
Never underestimate the Fagnan.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:19
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Unit by unit comparison is not a good comparison in my opinion.
However in this case the Collectors are still better at what the Reapers do because the Reapers specialize in area denial, which the Collectors are amazing at with Praetorians.
The only thing is that the Collectors also have great ranged firepower to back that up, while the Reapers do not once Marauders stop flooding the wave.
The result is that the Reapers are the weakest faction because while they're supposed to be good at area denial they're really just easily kited.
In this case the comparison is fitting. Because every Collector counterpart has almost double the health, more speed, do the same thing and more and do it from range and up-close.
Modifié par Air Quotes, 18 mars 2013 - 04:21 .
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:20
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The Capitans are the one's to be feared imo. I bet you people don't even notice that half thar death's are due to those damn things. They're the Mauraders of pre-platinum.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:20
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Or the Reapers get a buff.
Never underestimate the Fagnan.
Buff people's elbow to deal 4000 damage and stagger for 10 seconds.
Replace Phaeston XXXVIII With Harriers XXXXXX
mygod.
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Cyonan wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
They will not get a new unit. Out of the question. Either a few Collector units get a nerf (Scions, Praetorians, Seekers)
or we get more money/XP for fighting current Collectors.
Or the Reapers get a buff.
Never underestimate the Fagnan.
Doesn't fix anything. They will not get that large of a buff to match the Collectors. Would be incredibly stupid.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:22
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More Health and Damage for enemies just punish certain kits while kits that dominate them still dominatate them.Air Quotes wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
They will not get a new unit. Out of the question. Either a few Collector units get a nerf (Scions, Praetorians, Seekers)
or we get more money/XP for fighting current Collectors.
Or the Reapers get a buff.
Never underestimate the Fagnan.
Doesn't fix anything. They will not get that large of a buff to match the Collectors. Would be incredibly stupid.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:23
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Crimson Vanguard wrote...
More Health and Damage for enemies just punish certain kits while kits that dominate them still dominatate them.Air Quotes wrote...
Cyonan wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
They have the best balance. Not everyone has 1000 hours of gameplay with maxed gear and manifests. They may be a little too easy for the elitists. But that's not the point. The game should not be balanced around a handful of people.
I think they would be more balanced if they had a new unit.
Not necessarily the adjuntants, but something that makes players be careful, now people only take care of banshees.
They will not get a new unit. Out of the question. Either a few Collector units get a nerf (Scions, Praetorians, Seekers)
or we get more money/XP for fighting current Collectors.
Or the Reapers get a buff.
Never underestimate the Fagnan.
Doesn't fix anything. They will not get that large of a buff to match the Collectors. Would be incredibly stupid.
Exactly. Toughter Brutes or Banshees will not solve anything.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:24
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Oh and Inb4MoronsaidL2P
I'm actually surprised we haven't had one saying that yet.
Agreed with OP, Collectors are hideously unbalanced and imo not fun at all.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:25
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Collectors were 'perfected' over 50,000 years.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:26
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Air Quotes wrote...
In this case the comparison is fitting. Because every Collector counterpart has almost double the health, more speed, do the same thing and more and do it from range and up-close.
You're exaggerating that since not every Collector can be possessed at once(and the Scion/Praetorian don't quite get 2x hp). An unpossessed Captain has about 300 more shields and the same health on Gold to a Marauder.
Possession has both a cooldown and a limited number of targets.
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Cyonan wrote...
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In this case the comparison is fitting. Because every Collector counterpart has almost double the health, more speed, do the same thing and more and do it from range and up-close.
You're exaggerating that since not every Collector can be possessed at once(and the Scion/Praetorian don't quite get 2x hp). An unpossessed Captain has about 300 more shields and the same health on Gold to a Marauder.
Possession has both a cooldown and a limited number of targets.
Well they do get possessed A LOT. And Possession is almost instant. And I did say that Captain has more shields by default and double health of a Marauder when possessed + deals 1300 DPS+ when a Marauder deals 900 something. Unbalanced much? Plus the Captain moves faster.
P.S. And Praetorians/Scions get ALMOST 2X HP. Big deal. Still insanely unbalanced when compared.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:30
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immanji wrote...
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Reapers are actually the most balanced faction there is now.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:30
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The Capitans are the one's to be feared imo. I bet you people don't even notice that half thar death's are due to those damn things. They're the Mauraders of pre-platinum.
Yeah Captains have basically replaced Marauders on my sh*tlist.
Seriously those things tear through my poor Drell in the blink of an eye.
More than anything, Reapers have been left behind because nothing about their original design has fundamentally changed. Cerberus got sped up immensely with Dragoons, increased movement speed, burst and DoT on Atlases, and more Engineers. Geth got extra annoying with Bombers and the troll Drone. Reapers got what, an increase to Brute armor that meant nothing?
I think right now they're a bit too easy, but I shudder at what changes could occur to them seeing what Cerberus turned into.
I feel like certain things (mainly Captain health/damage and Scion cannons) are excessive, but otherwise Collectors aren't too bad. They're very demanding compared to every other faction, without a doubt.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:31
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Cyonan wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
In this case the comparison is fitting. Because every Collector counterpart has almost double the health, more speed, do the same thing and more and do it from range and up-close.
You're exaggerating that since not every Collector can be possessed at once(and the Scion/Praetorian don't quite get 2x hp). An unpossessed Captain has about 300 more shields and the same health on Gold to a Marauder.
Possession has both a cooldown and a limited number of targets.
It was an exaggeration, but the point is that Captains are already superior to Marauders before they're possessed, and don't even compare after.
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:36
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I would have been more or less fine with the Bugs, if they hadn't punished power and melee classes so hard.
Use abilities? Lol, we have swarms that block all powers & immunity on the boss unit.
Use melee kit like warlord? Lol, we have armoured units that can stunlock and instakill in seconds even on a ramp.
*Waits for a bronze/silver scrub to say L2P.*
Use abilities? Lol, we have swarms that block all powers & immunity on the boss unit.
Use melee kit like warlord? Lol, we have armoured units that can stunlock and instakill in seconds even on a ramp.
*Waits for a bronze/silver scrub to say L2P.*
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Posté 18 mars 2013 - 04:41
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I would have been more or less fine with the Bugs, if they hadn't punished power and melee classes so hard.
Use abilities? Lol, we have swarms that block all powers & immunity on the boss unit.
Use melee kit like warlord? Lol, we have armoured units that can stunlock and instakill in seconds even on a ramp.
*Waits for a bronze/silver scrub to say L2P.*
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