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[Kittstalkur]

Cyonan wrote...

You're taking the weakest thing and saying that is perfect balance and that enemies should be balanced around that, because BioWare made some design choices you don't like so that means the other factions aren't balanced or are broken.

I have said it before and I'll say it again: If BioWare nerfed everything you personally complain about, this game would be way too easy. Gold would be as hard as Silver.

I also disagree that Reapers have perfect balance. They're pretty underpowered after all the power creep that has occurred, in my opinion.

Their only real problem is a lack of ranged firepower in the late game in Gold.

Honestly, it's far better than the whole BS of Cerb Wave 10 Gold, or the nonsense of Geth stunlock orgies.

[Tallgeese_VII]

BTW, I agree that collectors all need 20% points buff.

[ktong747]

I suspect they'll nerf Collectors, but it'll be a token nerf that affects nothing whatsoever and call it a day.

[Impulse and Compulse]

I like having a deliberately more challenging faction. Almost every strategy that works on Platinum for me for any other group just gets destroyed by Collectors.

[TBLKNIGHT]

With all seriousness I completely agree with Air Quotes. Those of you that disagree with him are just selfish. Just because this game is so easy for you doesn't mean it is for everyone else.

[Cyonan]

Air Quotes wrote...

 talks about power-creep. Says Reapers are underpowered because of other faction power-creep. What?  

And Geth ARE fkn broken. There's no denying that. Cerberus is a zerg faction now composed of LOLgoons and 99% DR Phantoms + a crap ton of turrets. That's it. Tactical faction my ass. CoLOLectors were just slapped with everything OP in mind. 

This game got completely catered towards elitists. Who got freaking 9 rockets to missile spam.  Now taht's power-creep. 

Biower logic at it's best. 

I'm saying they're underpowered because of player power creep, not faction. We are a lot stronger than we were a year ago, and the Reapers only got worse with the nerf to magnet hands(which yes was a good change but it does still make them weaker overall).

Everything you say about the other factions is you trying to pass subjective opinion off as fact. It doesn't matter what I actually think of any of the factions(and no I don't like Geth stunlock but I also don't find it bad enough to call it broken), calling the Geth broken, Collectors OP, or Cerberus whatever it is that you're calling them is still subjective.

If you want to make everything as easy as the Reapers, then I would say they should also cut down players so we can't nuke spawns with 9 missiles or drop a Banshee with incredible speed with our Harriers and Reegar Carbines.

but I imagine that is going to get a lot more resistance than "nerf the enemies" =P

[LordBagardo]

ktong747 wrote...

Bottom line: screw the numbers, nerf the Collectors, we all know that they're overpowered, numbers or not.

I agree. All you have to do is play a single game against them to understand this.

Furthermore, buffing the other factions is a silly solution. That just means every difficulty is now a notch higher, which in turn alters the whole MP experience. It's also totally unneeded when the Collectors could just be nerfed or given some bonuses to credits or XP.

Modifié par LordBagardo, 18 mars 2013 - 06:19 .

[tungstenKestrel]

Buff some of the guns which are just about useless, buff the other factions in accordance to the Collectors.

Everyone who felt comfortable playing with one hand and doing a jig gets a new challenge.

[Kittstalkur]

Cyonan wrote...

I'm saying they're underpowered because of player power creep, not faction. We are a lot stronger than we were a year ago, and the Reapers only got worse with the nerf to magnet hands(which yes was a good change but it does still make them weaker overall).

Everything you say about the other factions is you trying to pass subjective opinion off as fact. It doesn't matter what I actually think of any of the factions(and no I don't like Geth stunlock but I also don't find it bad enough to call it broken), calling the Geth broken, Collectors OP, or Cerberus whatever it is that you're calling them is still subjective.

If you want to make everything as easy as the Reapers, then I would say they should also cut down players so we can't nuke spawns with 9 missiles or drop a Banshee with incredible speed with our Harriers and Reegar Carbines.

but I imagine that is going to get a lot more resistance than "nerf the enemies" =P

I wouldn't mind if the Reegar got a decent sized nerf, but you'd have to fix Incendiary ammo more than the weapon itself, and EA was more concerned with fixing missile glitching than any of the outstanding bugs with the 'final' patch, so.

[TBLKNIGHT]

That was me trying to get on your good side..... did it work?
On topic: Yeah but how much of the player base has maxed out consumables and have enough experience with the game that they know how to handle each faction? Not a whole lot if you ask me.

[CrashBuG]

I think collectors need to stay supreme. Every enemy faction needs to be unique in its own way.

[TBLKNIGHT]

Guess not. Well good night ladies and gentlemen....or good morning if it's morning where you live.

Modifié par TBLKNIGHT, 18 mars 2013 - 06:46 .

[Cyonan]

Air Quotes wrote...
It's not subjective. It's all FACT. The Geth are made entirely of GLITCHES. Cerberus stands on Phantoms and LOLgoons. Who are also bugged with insane DR, animation skipping and so on. Trololectors are OP by all standards. Highest health + highest speed + Highest DPS + CC + shield and power stop. Range and CQC.  

Just because we can beat them, doen't mean anything. 

Geth aren't actually any more glitchy than the other factions they just stagger more which isn't a glitch. While I don't like stagger I certainly would not call them broken.

I have said in the past that Cerberus relies heavily on Dragoons/Phantoms for killing power with the odd unnoticed turret so clearly that is my opinion on the matter, and yet I had people claiming that Centurions and Atlases posed a fairly considerable threat to them as well. If people are getting killed by things that aren't Dragoons and Phantoms a lot, you can't exactly tell them that no they're wrong and they're really not being killed by those things.

Claiming anything in the game, player or enemy, is overpowered is subjective. All the other person needs to do is say that is the bar that things should be balanced around, and you can't actually prove them wrong since it's an opinion. There is no formula that says "This is how proper balance is done", even if some days that would be kind of nice to have =P

[ScrubJay]

Posessed Scions + Abominations + 4 hack objective = the cause of many wipes and tears.

[Stinja]

Air Quotes wrote...

There's just no point in choosing Collectors.

Fun?  Variety?
The only thing  I disagree on the first post with is scion -> brute/Ravager.  True as a long range unit the scion is much better, but close range the brute is still more dangerous.  Then brutes have their super-charges and can punch thru walls...  Not saying brutes are hard per se, but more dangerous at melee range than scions.

Yes Collectors outclass reapers, but having one faction a bit stronger than others is not a bad thing intrinsicly.  Personally id like to see more differentiation between each faction, but at this late stage all we can hope for is slight balance changes o maybe reduce health on a few units and so on.

DHKany wrote...
 
I avoid them though, mainly due to PS3 memory leak issues.

Also this... 

[LordBagardo]

Cyonan wrote...
Claiming anything in the game, player or enemy, is overpowered is subjective. All the other person needs to do is say that is the bar that things should be balanced around, and you can't actually prove them wrong since it's an opinion. There is no formula that says "This is how proper balance is done", even if some days that would be kind of nice to have =P

While the term "overpowered" is purely subjective, it's clear that the majority of players find this to be the case with the Collectors. Since the majority is the best representation of the game's userbase, they should be catered for, not the select few who hold a different standpoint.

[me0120]

Air Quotes wrote...

And when does it stop?
 

Yes! When does it stop?!