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[Iakus]

Huh, in my paragon playthrough Aria spares him with no intervention needed.

In any case, I spare him. He might have useful information. And he can always be executed later, right?

[BHRamsay]

IanPolaris wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

He did not deserve strangulation...or mind rape
He worked for Cerberus but he was a man if honor

That made the fact he turned people into monsters against their will feel SO much better.

Sorry, but he is a war criminal.

-Polaris

This, in spades

[Barquiel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
He gave the order to implant Omega's citizens with control devices

Where did you get that from? 

and then infected them with the Adjutant virus to create an army of obedient Adjutants. Petrovsky knew about the experiments, his troops supported the scientists and he used the obedient Adjutants (...and no, he didn't use them against the reapers. Not a single war asset is added from him or Omega's cerberus cell).

According to ME:Invasion he wasn't responsible for the first Adjutants nor did he know of them before they appeared, and Omega is unclear about whether or not he had new ones created. He tried to control the existing ones and he used them, that's all we have hard evidence for. Hardly something that warrants being mind-raped by Aria.

"With the civilian population contained we should be able to initiate the next phase of the project on schedule"
"Before host conversion, we should beginn the process of fusing the control implants to the subject's nervous systems"
"Initial testing on various species provides ample proof the virus can asapt flawlessly, regardless of the host used."
"With the current success ratio we project being able to surpass demand by 300 percent"

You're right, he wasn't responsible for the "first generation adjutants" (the adjutants they couldn't control). But he knew exactly what the scientists were doing after Cerberus conquered the station, and he wanted to create more adjutants.

"Kandros killed the adjutants we hadn't finished experimenting on. These are fully under our control, the prototypes for our future army."

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mars 2013 - 03:09 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
He gave the order to implant Omega's citizens with control devices

Where did you get that from? 

and then infected them with the Adjutant virus to create an army of obedient Adjutants. Petrovsky knew about the experiments, his troops supported the scientists and he used the obedient Adjutants (...and no, he didn't use them against the reapers. Not a single war asset is added from him or Omega's cerberus cell).

According to ME:Invasion he wasn't responsible for the first Adjutants nor did he know of them before they appeared, and Omega is unclear about whether or not he had new ones created. He tried to control the existing ones and he used them, that's all we have hard evidence for. Hardly something that warrants being mind-raped by Aria.

Right - that was Colonel Ashe, who, if I recall, was turned into an adjutant himself in the end.

[Iakus]

Barquiel wrote...

"With the civilian population contained we should be able to initiate the next phase of the project on schedule"
"Before host conversion, we should beginn the process of fusing the control implants to the subject's nervous systems"
"Initial testing on various species provides ample proof the virus can asapt flawlessly, regardless of the host used."
"With the current success ratio we project being able to surpass demand by 300 percent"

You're right, he wasn't responsible for the "first generation adjutants" (the adjutants they couldn't control). But he knew exactly what the scientists were doing after Cerberus conquered the station, and he wanted to create more adjutants.

"Kandros killed the adjutants we hadn't finished experimenting on. These are fully under our control, the prototypes for our future army."

Yeah, the guy's Henry Lawson Lite.  Just with a bit more personal honor.  Still, he's a resource, kinda wasteful to off him in a fit of pique

[Steelcan]

Rubios wrote...

I'd kill Aria instead.

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[BHRamsay]

Skullheart wrote...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that Aria put the civilians of Omega at risk (she used them as cannon fodder,and a distraction), just to get her personal vendetta, while Oleg does the possible to keep the civilians safe. Oleg has ROE, Aria doesn't have anything like that.

Aria might be considerated a war criminal too considering how she used the civilians.

Yes Oleg has ROE
Keeping people locked up behind deadly energy curtains patrolled by deadly Rampart mechs,  fed a steady diet of pro-cerberus propaganda while friends and neighbours are used as test subjects in gruesome experiments, that's a hell of a set of ROE,
It's telling to me that Nyreen clearly sees Aria as thelesser of two evils

[mat_mark]

tevix wrote...

I let him live.

He has an honor code he sticks to. He let aria go when he could have killed her and let anyone who stood down live.

Frankly I'm confused as to how he can stay with cerberus, given with TIM does.

QFT

[garrusfan1]

I think he deserved it. he took people against their will and turned them into adjustants and when people say aria lived because he let her well in the comics he said if you don't leave or try to attack I will destroy omega. and he tried to destroy those beams or whatever when shepard was hacking that thing (where the engineer interupt was). after all that he surreneders and turns against his employer who he was so loyal to. so he was not honorable and commited multiple war crimes and then turned against cerberus that he said he was loyal to.

[DeinonSlayer]

BHRamsay wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that Aria put the civilians of Omega at risk (she used them as cannon fodder,and a distraction), just to get her personal vendetta, while Oleg does the possible to keep the civilians safe. Oleg has ROE, Aria doesn't have anything like that.

Aria might be considerated a war criminal too considering how she used the civilians.

Yes Oleg has ROE
Keeping people locked up behind deadly energy curtains patrolled by deadly Rampart mechs,  fed a steady diet of pro-cerberus propaganda while friends and neighbours are used as test subjects in gruesome experiments, that's a hell of a set of ROE,
It's telling to me that Nyreen clearly sees Aria as thelesser of two evils

Aria tells Shepard to punch a button and kill thousands just to get herself out of a tricky situation a few seconds faster. Also, it seems to me those curtains served to contain the Adjutants, as well. That's a consequence of dropping them which was quickly forgotten. We'll just say Nyreen killed the very last of the uncontrolled ones, right? Right? Right.

[o Ventus]

I typically let him live, though I shot him in the face once.

I don't like his condescension to Shepard after freeing Aria from her confinements. Like he thinks he has the upper hand.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I don't think it's Shepard's or Aria's place to decide what he deserves. I'd keep him alive just for the principle of due process for prisoners.

[Da Don Giovanni]

iakus wrote...

Huh, in my paragon playthrough Aria spares him with no intervention needed.

In any case, I spare him. He might have useful information. And he can always be executed later, right?

Nope. He gets white glove treatment remember?

[Archonsg]

What if you could kill Oleg, kill Aria and save Nyreen?

*would* have preferred this.

[Jukaga]

On Omega, there is only one rule, so...

He was a complex character, I like how he becomes almost sympathetic when he surrenders but his crimes are too great. He may not have initiated the Adjutant program but he sure benefits from them and gloats how they are now fully controlled and will be the new Cerberus shock troopers.

Justice is best served having him die a slow painful death, all the sweeter because I think he really believed Shepard would step in to allow him to comfortably retire on some Alliance beach. Not to mention you get Aria to awkwardly kiss you at the end.

Modifié par Jukaga, 18 mars 2013 - 06:51 .

[Bill Casey]

If you let him live, he still gets strangled a little anyway...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

BHRamsay wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

Mercy. There's no good reason whatsoever to kill him.

Aria in the three years you know her hss never lied to Shepard,  betrayed Shepard or tried to kill Shepard,  Oleg does all three in a short space of time

[Iakus]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

iakus wrote...

Huh, in my paragon playthrough Aria spares him with no intervention needed.

In any case, I spare him. He might have useful information. And he can always be executed later, right?

Nope. He gets white glove treatment remember?

Well, in my headcanon once he stops being useful, he can end up "falling down a flight of punches" 

[dgcatanisiri]

Given that I play Omega right after the Citadel Coup, the intel he has could still be valuable. Because of that, when Aria hands him over to me, I don't kill him, as tempted as I am (I take the first interrupt to threaten him, but not the one to shoot him). But I do imagine Shepard making a note to Hackett that Petrovsky is to be treated like a war criminal and face the highest possible sentence. And, personally, I'd like to see him handed back over to Aria and the citizens of Omega, to dispose of as they see fit when the war's over. After all, his greatest crimes were out there, it seems fitting for them to be the ones who decide his ultimate fate.

And him having a code of honor means nothing as far as I'm concerned - the man who follows an unjust order is just as unjust as the person who ordered it. Just because Nyreen found him to be a man of his word, it doesn't change what he did to the other citizens of Omega. The Ninth Doctor put it best: You let one of them go but that's nothing new. Every now and then a little victim's spared because she smiled, 'cause he's got freckles. 'Cause they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in awhile—on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction—you happen to be kind.

[jtav]

See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

Would you say he has a better chance of this in the Alliance than in the Council?

[Iakus]

jtav wrote...

See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

I got the impression that he wasn't a whole lot better than Henry Lawson.

Not as bad, certainly.  He had a sense of personal honor, and wasn't what you might call "needlessly cruel"  He was a man of his word.   And he did surrender rather than throw more lives away once it became clear he had lost, and he didn't take a teenaged girl (let alone his own daughter) hostage and use her as a living shield.

 But he clearly did experiment on beings, both human and alien, in creating adjutants.  That right there puts him squarely in scumbag territory.  He gets to live because he's useful.  

[Mr.House]

iakus wrote...

jtav wrote...

See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

I got the impression that he wasn't a whole lot better than Henry Lawson.

Not as bad, certainly.  He had a sense of personal honor, and wasn't what you might call "needlessly cruel"  He was a man of his word.   And he did surrender rather than throw more lives away once it became clear he had lost, and he didn't take a teenaged girl (let alone his own daughter) hostage and use her as a living shield.

 But he clearly did experiment on beings, both human and alien, in creating adjutants.  That right there puts him squarely in scumbag territory.  He gets to live because he's useful.  

That's if you think he gave the order for that, we don't know who gave that science team that order. What we know from the comic and the dlc, Olegs job was to secure Omega, use it as a base for Cerberus in the Terminus systems,make sure the adjutants where sequred and not able to harm the mass civlians and use the eezo mines for resources and make sure nothing threaten it.

We have no 100% proof he also was part of the program to turn people into adjuntants(we don't even know if they used mercs or "innocent people") Just saying, there is not alot of evidence to really connect him to the Adjuntant project.

Modifié par Mr.House, 18 mars 2013 - 08:18 .

[Budgier]

I let him live once because I thought he was actually an okay guy mislead by Cerberus.. but when Shepard/Aria doesn't kill him he gets horribly arrogant and cocky like he still came out the winner. Now I'll always just let Aria strangle him to death.