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[jtav]

iakus wrote...

jtav wrote...

See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

I got the impression that he wasn't a whole lot better than Henry Lawson.

Not as bad, certainly.  He had a sense of personal honor, and wasn't what you might call "needlessly cruel"  He was a man of his word.   And he did surrender rather than throw more lives away once it became clear he had lost, and he didn't take a teenaged girl (let alone his own daughter) hostage and use her as a living shield.

 But he clearly did experiment on beings, both human and alien, in creating adjutants.  That right there puts him squarely in scumbag territory.  He gets to live because he's useful.  

You know how you stick your fingers in your ears regarding some aspects of ME3 Ash? Same here. I read Invasion first, and I interpret everything in that light.

[Barquiel]

iakus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

"With the civilian population contained we should be able to initiate the next phase of the project on schedule"
"Before host conversion, we should beginn the process of fusing the control implants to the subject's nervous systems"
"Initial testing on various species provides ample proof the virus can asapt flawlessly, regardless of the host used."
"With the current success ratio we project being able to surpass demand by 300 percent"

You're right, he wasn't responsible for the "first generation adjutants" (the adjutants they couldn't control). But he knew exactly what the scientists were doing after Cerberus conquered the station, and he wanted to create more adjutants.

"Kandros killed the adjutants we hadn't finished experimenting on. These are fully under our control, the prototypes for our future army."

Yeah, the guy's Henry Lawson Lite.  Just with a bit more personal honor.  Still, he's a resource, kinda wasteful to off him in a fit of pique

One of Aria's hackers finds some Cerberus files that boost your Alliance war assets if you kill him iirc.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mars 2013 - 08:21 .

[Astartes Marine]

jtav wrote...
See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

So the whole "ordering his troops to fire on and kill civilians", continiung the Adjutant project, and all that mess was no big deal to you I guess?


However "honorable" you think he was, in my eyes the Adjutants were quite enough to damn him so I rendered summary judgement.

[Steelcan]

Astartes Marine wrote...

jtav wrote...
See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

So the whole "ordering his troops to fire on and kill civilians", continiung the Adjutant project, and all that mess was no big deal to you I guess?


However "honorable" you think he was, in my eyes the Adjutants were quite enough to damn him so I rendered summary judgement.

. Because Aria is so much better.....

[Triceratops]

I wanted to let him live because he has the best looking face of anyone in the entire trilogy but Omega only has one rule and he broke it. So Aria can go ahead and punish him however she wants.

[Astartes Marine]

Steelcan wrote...
Because Aria is so much better.....

Did I at any point ever say she was?

Given the option I'd shoot Oleg AND Aria while doing my best to save Nyreen.  At least with her in charge Omega would have had a chance to improve. 


But no, we get stuck with no options regarding Aria or Kandros.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 18 mars 2013 - 08:27 .

[Steelcan]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Because Aria is so much better.....

Did I at any point ever say she was?

Given the option I'd shoot Oleg AND Aria while doing my best to save Nyreen.  At least with her in charge Omega would have had a chance to improve. 


But no, we get stuck with no options regarding Aria or Kandros.

. Petrovsky for Omega's ruler!  

[Mr.House]

I really thought Shepard going to be able to shoot Aria in the back when she refused to let Oleg go if you where renegade.

[Karlone123]

Considering he's not a mindless killer, has a code of honour, shows mercy and is an intelligent General. I let him live even if it risks Aria partnership. He might get a bit too comfortable towards the end but I think the strangulation he receives is enough punishment.

[Iakus]

jtav wrote...
You know how you stick your fingers in your ears regarding some aspects of ME3 Ash? Same here. I read Invasion first, and I interpret everything in that light.

I admit I haven't read Invasion.  I'm only going by what i saw in the dlc.  But we walk right through the labs were they were studying and making adjutants.  Where they were testing the reaper virus that made them.  Those adjutants we fight at the end came from that.

He may have some redeeming features, and isn't the complete monster Aria claims he is, but he's still a Cerberus True Believer.

[Jukaga]

Steelcan wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

jtav wrote...
See, I *want* him to get off scot free. I like him on a personal level because he was this stubbornly honorable horrible judge of character who lost his temper when his 2IC endangered civilians.

So the whole "ordering his troops to fire on and kill civilians", continiung the Adjutant project, and all that mess was no big deal to you I guess?


However "honorable" you think he was, in my eyes the Adjutants were quite enough to damn him so I rendered summary judgement.

. Because Aria is so much better.....

She is. Aria is clearly the leader Omega needs and deserves. She is ruthless and selfish but sees things clearly enough that she gives you three powerful merc groups to do with as you please in the war for a minimal amount of effort.

Aria isn't creating genetic freak monsters and she isn't plotting to set up an Asari Supremecist State. I'd say that puts her on a higher pedestal than Pertrovsky.

[Iakus]

Jukaga wrote...

She is. Aria is clearly the leader Omega needs and deserves. She is ruthless and selfish but sees things clearly enough that she gives you three powerful merc groups to do with as you please in the war for a minimal amount of effort.

Aria isn't creating genetic freak monsters and she isn't plotting to set up an Asari Supremecist State. I'd say that puts her on a higher pedestal than Pertrovsky.

What puts her on a higher pedastel (barely) is that she's willing to work with Shepard rather than against.  That's all. She may not be turning Omega into a monster factory, but she's still willing to sacrifice thousands of noncombatants to save her own blue keister.

If I could have, I'd have handed Omega over to Nyreen.

[jtav]

Nyreen's the only one I'd trust to lead Omega. Aria only cares about herself and is a Mafia boss and Petrovsky can't or won't open his eyes to what his boss is.

@iakus In Invasion, Petrovsky's similar to Miranda. He shows concern for the civilians and his men, but thinks TIM is pretty much the greatest thing since sliced bread and won't believe he had Cerberus agents killed to spark the invasion.

[draken-heart]

the DLC should have ended with a choice:

Side with General Petrovsky: get adjutants and general, but lose out on Aria's gifts.

Side with Aria: Lose out on General's boons but get Aria's rewardsand even see her at the FOB.

[Steelcan]

Jukaga wrote...

She is. Aria is clearly the leader Omega needs and deserves. She is ruthless and selfish but sees things clearly enough that she gives you three powerful merc groups to do with as you please in the war for a minimal amount of effort.

Aria isn't creating genetic freak monsters and she isn't plotting to set up an Asari Supremecist State. I'd say that puts her on a higher pedestal than Pertrovsky.

. She is using civilians as cannon fodder.  Encouraged you to sacrifice thousands of civilians because she's in trouble.  She endorses piracy, drug dealing, slaving, and murder.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Jukaga wrote...

She is. Aria is clearly the leader Omega needs and deserves. She is ruthless and selfish but sees things clearly enough that she gives you three powerful merc groups to do with as you please in the war for a minimal amount of effort.

Aria isn't creating genetic freak monsters and she isn't plotting to set up an Asari Supremecist State. I'd say that puts her on a higher pedestal than Pertrovsky.

. She is using civilians as cannon fodder.  Encouraged you to sacrifice thousands of civilians because she's in trouble.  She endorses piracy, drug dealing, slaving, and murder.

And she's willing to give a **** ton of eezo, a big pirate fleet, and several big armies to the cause.

I don't approve of her methods, but be damned if I'm going to turn her away with what she offers. These pirates, mercs, and slavers are loyal to her alone.

Oleg offers... nothing really. He's actively supporting Cerberus in ME3. Even a pro-Cerberus person such as myself believes that's madness in ME3. They're indoctrinated. 

As for her being the leader Omega deserves, I don't give a ****. I'm not here to change things up, I'm here to kill Reapers.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

And she's willing to give a **** ton of eezo, a big pirate fleet, and several big armies to the cause.

I don't approve of her methods, but be damned if I'm going to turn her away with what she offers. These pirates, mercs, and slavers are loyal to her alone.

Oleg offers... nothing really. He's actively supporting Cerberus in ME3. Even a pro-Cerberus person such as myself believes that's madness in ME3. They're indoctrinated. 

As for her being the leader Omega deserves, I don't give a ****. I'm not here to change things up, I'm here to kill Reapers.

. The argument is that Aia is morally better than Petrovsky.  Not which is offering more.

[jtav]

And thanks to our lovely EMS mechanic, who cares? I don't need Aria's resources. The only reason I do Omega is to turn Petrovsky.

[Iakus]

jtav wrote...
@iakus In Invasion, Petrovsky's similar to Miranda. He shows concern for the civilians and his men, but thinks TIM is pretty much the greatest thing since sliced bread and won't believe he had Cerberus agents killed to spark the invasion.

The impression I got from the DLC is that he's been performing experiments with the populace of Omega in creating and controlling adjutants.  With a great deal more control than has been shown with other Cerberus experiements, but it's still Mad Science.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Stephiphany wrote...

I wanted to let him live because he has the best looking face of anyone in the entire trilogy but Omega only has one rule and he broke it. So Aria can go ahead and punish him however she wants.

He did have the best looking face.

[RaptorSolutions]

He has a code which he sticks with, he knows when conflict is becoming pointless and is willing to step back, he hasn't exactly done anything moronic afaik. So I let him live.

Smug though, but ah well...

[Shad Croly]

He survived, but I have Aria his cell room number, for when he stops being helpful.

[Artifex_Imperius]

the question is? is his life worth more than a legendary smooch from aria?

[Da Don Giovanni]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

the question is? is his life worth more than a legendary smooch from aria?

My ManShep says it is NOT worth it.