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Balancing of the Collectors


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Now there is a consensus on bsn and in other places that Collectors are the most difficult and frankly overpowered faction. Bioware told us that they were designed to be "Jack of all trades" but really they're Masters of all trades. 

Collectors excel both in range AND close combat. Scion - highest damage in the game(!), Praetorian, trooper and captain are deadly in a firefight(troopers bypass shieldgate with automatic weapon). Praetorian is actually the most dangerous melee unit in the game - instant stunlock and synckill. Even scion can instakill. Troopers also have a dangerous melee.
  • Scion has the same amount of armour as banshee has - 16875, it has MORE when possessed. While it can shoot harder than anything, throw clusters and instakill.
  • Praetorian when possessed have more armour and barriers than ATLAS - 34920 + 15750.   
  • Trooper and captain have highest health for infantry in the game on par with cannibal and marauder. They have higher DPS too. Health - 2025, they have more when possessed. 
  • Seeker swarms completely shut down caster classes and vanguards while having more health than Cerberus and Geth troopers. Facepalm.
  • Abominations have too much health - 2520, especially when possessed and they can wipe whole team.  

Dug-in defense is not an option against them with possessed scion's grenades and praetorian's pace. Troopers also can use grenades.

Also Collectors punish power and melee classes. Seeker swarms can ruin game for adepts, engineers and especially vanguards. Then try playing krogan sentinel or warlord against them, usually ends with praetorian instakill. 

So my suggestions.

1) Nerf scion's damage, now it is ridiculous 2800 with a huge shield regen delay, guaranteed overkill for almost all classes. Make delay between throwing clusters and shooting bigger, so you can at least change your position. 

2) Slow down praetorians and fix their lasers that shoot through soft cover(this will require a patch, so unlikely but still). 

3) Nerf seeker swarms to the ground. Make power shutdown last less time and lower their health.  

4) Lower health of abominations.

Numbers courtesy to Cyonan.

Modifié par Star fury, 19 mars 2013 - 03:55 .


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DJepic112

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They are cheap, overpowered and cheap. I hate them so much.

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The 'consensus' is that the Collectors are the most 'overpowered'? Funny, I thought that title belonged to the cheating Geth.

Modifié par Asebstos, 18 mars 2013 - 07:02 .


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"COME GETH SOME!!!!!!!!"

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My only problem with them is Praetorian grabbing my low-mobility classes from around the wall.

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Ant_Ghoman

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Scion is the most annoying, dats grenade are super accurate.

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Asebstos wrote...

The 'consensus' is that the Collectors are the most 'overpowered'? Funny, I thought that title belonged to the cheating Geth.

 

Geth are just cheap and buggy. Collectors are OP plainly in numbers. 

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Star fury wrote...

  • Seeker swarms completely shut down caster classes and vanguards while having more or same health than Cerberus and Geth trooper. Facepalm.   


This

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Riccoshot wrote...

Star fury wrote...

  • Seeker swarms completely shut down caster classes and vanguards while having more or same health than Cerberus and Geth trooper. Facepalm.   


This


The term "plague" is most definitely the best descriptive word for the more posessed version.

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Riccoshot wrote...

Star fury wrote...

  • Seeker swarms completely shut down caster classes and vanguards while having more or same health than Cerberus and Geth trooper. Facepalm.   


This

 

Working as intended. It's normal for bees to take a pimped out Claymore to face and not die. 

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Yeah, if its two factions that need some work its Geth and Collectors for sure.

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Jebel Krong

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 leave the collectors alone - the game is supposed to be a challenge. The cheating geth should be fixed, that is all. 

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Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.

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Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.




:P

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Collectors are actually the most balanced enemy, the others are to weak! Don't play them if u can't handle them, seriously

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me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.




:P

Sadly 3 months in BSN says I'm going to be nerfed:crying: 

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Saints944 wrote...

me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.




:P

Sadly 3 months in BSN says I'm going to be nerfed:crying: 


Better than being fixed! :wizard:


(that was both a patch joke obviously)

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Impius wrote...

Collectors are actually the most balanced enemy, the others are to weak! Don't play them if u can't handle them, seriously

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me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.




:P


I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.




:P


I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo


:lol:

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.

:P

I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo

What? My dance skillz wins hertzzz. Now that I think of it. I was going to play with you (with legion)but my powuh kept going off.:crying:

Modifié par Saints944, 18 mars 2013 - 08:08 .


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TBLKNIGHT

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Saints944 wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.


Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 

Your choice BSN.

:P

I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo

What? My dance skillz wins hertzzz. Now that I think of it. I was going to play with you (with legion)but my powuh kept going off.:crying:


We also played a few games with biggs, and if I remember correctly you wouldn't have extracted if I hadn't saved you :P

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Asebstos wrote...

The 'consensus' is that the Collectors are the most 'overpowered'? Funny, I thought that title belonged to the cheating Geth.


Geth are cheap and broken. The problem with them lies in stunlock. 

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Saints944 wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo

What? My dance skillz wins hertzzz. Now that I think of it. I was going to play with you (with legion)but my powuh kept going off.:crying:


It's okay buddy, just drink some more liquid courage and you can dance all night long. :happy:

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

me0120 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...
Collector mastery x8 says I'm fine with them.

Nerf Saints944 or buff Collectors. 
Your choice BSN.
:P

I've seen Saints dance.....could use a buff imo

What? My dance skillz wins hertzzz. Now that I think of it. I was going to play with you (with legion)but my powuh kept going off.:crying:

We also played a few games with biggs, and if I remember correctly you wouldn't have extracted if I hadn't saved you :P

meh. It was my first platinum game of the day. Plus I more then made up for it the next game on condor:wizard: