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[TheWill]

wow... paragons are such ****** lol

[MassivelyEffective0730]

TheWill wrote...

wow... paragons are such ****** lol

Tell me about it. Neutral is the way to go for me.

[Yestare7]

Bester76 wrote...

 First time was destroy. I went to the Citadel to destroy the Reapers, and that's what I did. Shepard surviving was irrelevant to that decision. 

Hasn't destroy been the most popular choice since the beginning......?

Second was destroy as well, with even more conviction.

Yes, Destroy has always been the most popular. Other 2 are just criminal:sick:




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[TheWill]

imagine living your life surrounded by reapers... knowing exactly what they are and how they were made.. imagine seeing a husk walking down the street to buy milk because he forgot that week to go shopping.. thats control and synthesis .. it would be like living in a horror movie twisted with walt disney magic... and that just creeps me out...

[Drewton]

TheWill wrote...

imagine living your life surrounded by reapers... knowing exactly what they are and how they were made.. imagine seeing a husk walking down the street to buy milk because he forgot that week to go shopping.. thats control and synthesis .. it would be like living in a horror movie twisted with walt disney magic... and that just creeps me out...

This is what synthesis is.

[Yestare7]

Drewton wrote...

TheWill wrote...

imagine living your life surrounded by reapers... knowing exactly what they are and how they were made.. imagine seeing a husk walking down the street to buy milk because he forgot that week to go shopping.. thats control and synthesis .. it would be like living in a horror movie twisted with walt disney magic... and that just creeps me out...

This is what synthesis is.

I like the way you think!!   Synthesis is like doing the Reaper's job for them.

[SwitchN7]

I'm sorry but was it not our intention to exterminate this threat ALL ALONG? I never get tired of the ending debates.Take the endings at face value or support the ITheory but believe me/us destroy was always the plan.Always.Anything else is a lie/trick.

[Yestare7]

^Agreed.

DESTROY

[Wayning_Star]

trusted catalyst says it won't work..just like it's current solution won't work any more..sooo???

30 something billion years of observation lost on the MEU or what?

[Drewton]

Yestare7 wrote...

I like the way you think!!   Synthesis is like doing the Reaper's job for them.

Exactly!

I just want to point out the similarities between ME2 and ME3's endings.

In ME2:
-In rejection of Reaper "ascendance", you destroy the Human Reaper, which is a merging of organic and synthetic material, and to do this, you shoot the tubes.
-You are are then given the choice between destroying the Collector Base, resulting in a red/orange explosion, the option that doesn't sacrifice the soul of your species, or control, which is what TIM wants, resulting in blue.
-After making the choice, Shepard gets out of the rubble, Harbinger releases control, and you escape as Harbinger speaks to you.

In ME3:
-You are given the choice between destroying the Reapers, resulting in a red/orange explosion, or control, which is what TIM wants, resulting in blue, as well as synthesis.
-In rejection of Reaper "ascendance" via control or synthesis, you choose to destroy and shoot the tube.
-After making the choice, Shepard is in rubble, breathes, and...

[Barquiel]

My Shepard didn't pick Destroy because she wanted to live at the expense of others. When I made the decision, I didn't even know it would happen. I simply wanted the Reapers gone. Shepard potentially surviving was a nice bonus though. After all she made a promise to Liara that she would always come back

[Yestare7]

A bad idea 50 million years ago,
STILL a bad idea.

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...

Can it really be guaranteed that Catalyst 2.0 won't one day reach the same conclusions as the Catalyst it replaced?

Whenever I read this argument , I find myself wondering why people think the Catalyst's argument is so compelling that the Sheplyst will adopt it.

For that matter, since the Catalyst didn't change its mind about anything from the moment it started the cycles until the Crucible docked, why would anyone think that the Sheplyst will change its mind about anything?

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 mars 2013 - 09:43 .

[AlanC9]

SwitchN7 wrote...

Take the endings at face value or support the ITheory but believe me/us destroy was always the plan.Always.Anything else is a lie/trick.

This doesn't make any sense at all. The fact that the plan was to do a particular thinghas nothing to do with whether you have other options.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 mars 2013 - 09:44 .

[Bill Casey]

The other options are really really stupid and even more unethical...
They aren't so much real options as they are mocking the position you're in...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 18 mars 2013 - 10:01 .

[Pcmag1]

No, not even a little bit. I was expecting and was perfectly fine with the idea that Shepard will sacrifice himself.
I chose destroy because that is only option where you give power to survivors.
Control is idiotic, didn't work in ME1 didn't work in ME2, didn't work throughout ME3, and it sure as hell isnt going to work out because AI who thinks multigenocide it neat solution tells you that this time *wink, wink* it will work.
And Synthesis fell like mindraping every single entity in universe by forcing your decision upon everyone. I am fully aware that it is the best choice, for everyone. But it is a shortcut and shortcuts are (especially in ME universe) dangerous and irresponsible.

[Wulfram]

I don't mind Shepard dying

Really, it kind of feels wrong to have Shepard live in Destroy. Seems like they should make the ultimate sacrifice along with the Geth, to finally and truly free the galaxy from the Reapers.

Having Shepard live on broken by guilt is a crappy happy ending anyway.

[Knight of Dane]

Depends on your Shepard Wulfram. The Geth might not even be around to be sacrificed.

[Dr_Extrem]

Barquiel wrote...

My Shepard didn't pick Destroy because she wanted to live at the expense of others. When I made the decision, I didn't even know it would happen. I simply wanted the Reapers gone. Shepard potentially surviving was a nice bonus though. After all she made a promise to Liara that she would always come back

out of curiosity ..

what made your shepard believe, that she would survive?

- hit by harbinger
- shot in the shoulder my marauder shields
- falling unconscious several times
- nearly bleeding out next to anderson
- still bleeding like hell in an unspecified location somewhere on the citadel
- on top, starchild tells you, that synthetics will die and that shep is partially synthetic as well
- walking into an exploding tube
- witnessing the mother of all energy outputs



the chances that shepard could survive this, are nearly nonexixtant. the fact that shepard beats the odds, is a wonder and not forseeable.

[Yestare7]

Barquiel wrote...
what made your shepard believe, that she would survive?

- hit by harbinger
- shot in the shoulder my marauder shields
- falling unconscious several times
- nearly bleeding out next to anderson
- still bleeding like hell in an unspecified location somewhere on the citadel
- on top, starchild tells you, that synthetics will die and that shep is partially synthetic as well
- walking into an exploding tube
- witnessing the mother of all energy outputs

Pffft!   tis like a walk in the park!



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[Jukaga]

TheWill wrote...

people need to remember... the first time you played the game you had no idea shepard would live at the end of destroy! now that people are aware of that.. they have made it their number one choice... think back to what you picked the first time ... your choice... without everyone elses comments and judgements .. your true choice and the reasons for it... we keep judging the game based now only on our replays.. i like to remember my first playththrough, i chose destroy.. there will be sacrifice.. and all were willing to make it.. true equality was my mindset.. organic..synthetic.. doesnt matter.. i would have sacrificed every/any race to end the reapers...

I admit the first time I beat the game, did it blind with no forum reading or guides... I VERY reluctantly chose Synthesis. It was 6am after a marathon 20 hour session and I was an emotional wreck. I believed starbrat and decided to put my money where my mouth was and sacrifice myself to end this cycle nonsense once and for all! Went to bed in tears and woke up that afternoon with a bad taste in my mouth. I had just betrayed my goals and fell into the same trap Saren did. I forced every being in the galaxy to conform to some twisted AI's vision of a perfected state and delivered every sentient being into the tentacles of the Leviathans.

Destroy is the only moral choice regardless of Shepard's survival.

[Dr_Extrem]

Wulfram wrote...

I don't mind Shepard dying

Really, it kind of feels wrong to have Shepard live in Destroy. Seems like they should make the ultimate sacrifice along with the Geth, to finally and truly free the galaxy from the Reapers.

Having Shepard live on broken by guilt is a crappy happy ending anyway.

the broken hero who has to live with the guilt, is at least less worn out, that the hero, that heroically dies for the greater good. this is even older and more used, that the hero, who comes back home in triumpf.


shepard is willing to do everything to defeat the reapers - the fact that shepard survives, is not depending on his/her decision. this is a product of external circumstances, shepard cant influence.

in short, shepard accepts the fact, that the decision means his/her death. the fact that shepard survivs against all odds, is not foreseeable and hhas nothing to do with shepards motivation or choice.

[Dr_Extrem]

Yestare7 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
what made your shepard believe, that she would survive?

- hit by harbinger
- shot in the shoulder my marauder shields
- falling unconscious several times
- nearly bleeding out next to anderson
- still bleeding like hell in an unspecified location somewhere on the citadel
- on top, starchild tells you, that synthetics will die and that shep is partially synthetic as well
- walking into an exploding tube
- witnessing the mother of all energy outputs

Pffft!   tis like a walk in the park!



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rough area ...

[AlanC9]

Bill Casey wrote...

The other options are really really stupid and even more unethical...
They aren't so much real options as they are mocking the position you're in...

Except, of course, that they actually work.