crimzontearz wrote...
That does it....I am gonna go back to playing crysis 3....and dream ME3 had a similarly CLEAR freaking ending so I would not have to deal with this much speculation
Killdren88 wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
That does it....I am gonna go back to playing crysis 3....and dream ME3 had a similarly CLEAR freaking ending so I would not have to deal with this much speculation
And there you have folks the main goal from the beginning. Debate, and specualtions. Just as they intended.<_<
crimzontearz wrote...
would you be opposed to the OPTION for him to survive triggered by an earlier dialogue choice?HolyAvenger wrote...
Well duh, we're just sharing opinions here. No one is right or wrong, per se.crimzontearz wrote...
For you, not for me. Also, with billions dead including three of his closest friends and his mentor Shepard's ending would not be "happy" even if he survived and got a reunion scene
For me, Shepard alive and well, living out in the post-Reaper universe with their LI would have been happy. Any happier and we'd be play Mass Effect: The Romcom.
Kais Endac wrote...
HolyAvenger wrote...
Too much metagaming/immersion-breaking for me.Kais Endac wrote...
Maybe Bioware should have just added an option in the options menu that allowed players to decide if Shepard would live in any ending (i.e enabling it would allow Shepard to live and show a cutscene of him recovering in hospital or something).
The option would be well...... optional if you don't activate it then you get the standard experience. So it would not effect people who don't want the option however those that *do* want the option can activate it, the hardest part would be justifying how shepard lived.
The thing is though no matter what bioware had done it would have upset some part of the fan base, the fact that there is no "happy" ending upset alot of people but inversely those that like the darker tone of the game will complain that the inclusion of a happy ending ruins aspects of the game. The inclusion of optional content like shepard lives option would have plesed the happy ending crowd and the bittersweet/dark ending crowd would not have to use it since its optional.
HolyAvenger wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
would you be opposed to the OPTION for him to survive triggered by an earlier dialogue choice?HolyAvenger wrote...
Well duh, we're just sharing opinions here. No one is right or wrong, per se.crimzontearz wrote...
For you, not for me. Also, with billions dead including three of his closest friends and his mentor Shepard's ending would not be "happy" even if he survived and got a reunion scene
For me, Shepard alive and well, living out in the post-Reaper universe with their LI would have been happy. Any happier and we'd be play Mass Effect: The Romcom.
I think it would be quite cheesy if he lived without some kind of very high personal cost, frankly. Maybe a Virmire-style choice between Shepard and his/her LI?
then they should not market it to me as "my story" as well....also, they chose to let Shepard live in high EMS destroy, that is something Casey and Preston PUSHED for but MAC likely thought it was not grimdark and artsy enough so we are left with JUST the breath scene, so yeah, bioware is still telling their story but the views of ONE man screwed it overHolyAvenger wrote...
Kais Endac wrote...
HolyAvenger wrote...
Too much metagaming/immersion-breaking for me.Kais Endac wrote...
Maybe Bioware should have just added an option in the options menu that allowed players to decide if Shepard would live in any ending (i.e enabling it would allow Shepard to live and show a cutscene of him recovering in hospital or something).
The option would be well...... optional if you don't activate it then you get the standard experience. So it would not effect people who don't want the option however those that *do* want the option can activate it, the hardest part would be justifying how shepard lived.
The thing is though no matter what bioware had done it would have upset some part of the fan base, the fact that there is no "happy" ending upset alot of people but inversely those that like the darker tone of the game will complain that the inclusion of a happy ending ruins aspects of the game. The inclusion of optional content like shepard lives option would have plesed the happy ending crowd and the bittersweet/dark ending crowd would not have to use it since its optional.
That's what I mean about it being metagaming though. You include it in the options, and you're shaping the whole outcome of the story before you even play it. It leaches any sort of tension from the game. I'm really not a fan of seeing that kind of option become a part of the game. BioWare should tell the story they want to tell, with the protagonist dying at the end if that's what they think fits best, without some awful optional branching path that is chosen outside the whole damn game.
Modifié par crimzontearz, 18 mars 2013 - 02:36 .
crimzontearz wrote...
You are misunderstanding
What Inam suggesting is, say that you take Liara to your beam run, you are printed with a dialogue wheel "I will come back for you" or "I will do what I must"
The latter lets you okay through the ending with Shepard dying in all of them, the latter allows him to survive in high EMS destroy and reunite with the crew (also personal coat my butt, the Geth and EDI still die in high EMS destroy, that is virmirish enough)
my Shep hated Alenko, does it mean my virmire choice was easy peasy?HolyAvenger wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
You are misunderstanding
What Inam suggesting is, say that you take Liara to your beam run, you are printed with a dialogue wheel "I will come back for you" or "I will do what I must"
The latter lets you okay through the ending with Shepard dying in all of them, the latter allows him to survive in high EMS destroy and reunite with the crew (also personal coat my butt, the Geth and EDI still die in high EMS destroy, that is virmirish enough)
Nah, that's where we disagree, I don't think that is all that difficult or painful choice, and Shep doesn't really pay a very high price there for a happy ending there. Neither the Geth nor EDI mean THAT much to Shepard, IMO.
All BioWare games tell a story that is a collaboration between player and writers. Because they tend to be strongly-linear, with well-defined NPCs and character interactions. Its why I prefer BioWare games over, say, Elder Scrolls games. I have no issues with the game limiting my freedom and my choices. Its what I actively choose when going for this style of WRPGs.crimzontearz wrote...
then they should not market it to me as "my story" as well....also, they chose to let Shepard live in high EMS destroy, that is something Casey and Preston PUSHED for but MAC likely thought it was not grimdark and artsy enough so we are left with JUST the breath scene, so yeah, bioware is still telling their story but the views of ONE man screwed it over
HolyAvenger wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
would you be opposed to the OPTION for him to survive triggered by an earlier dialogue choice?HolyAvenger wrote...
Well duh, we're just sharing opinions here. No one is right or wrong, per se.crimzontearz wrote...
For you, not for me. Also, with billions dead including three of his closest friends and his mentor Shepard's ending would not be "happy" even if he survived and got a reunion scene
For me, Shepard alive and well, living out in the post-Reaper universe with their LI would have been happy. Any happier and we'd be play Mass Effect: The Romcom.
I think it would be quite cheesy if he lived without some kind of very high personal cost, frankly. Maybe a Virmire-style choice between Shepard and his/her LI?
Modifié par Kais Endac, 18 mars 2013 - 02:57 .
Sure, I guess.crimzontearz wrote...
my Shep hated Alenko, does it mean my virmire choice was easy peasy?HolyAvenger wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
You are misunderstanding
What Inam suggesting is, say that you take Liara to your beam run, you are printed with a dialogue wheel "I will come back for you" or "I will do what I must"
The latter lets you okay through the ending with Shepard dying in all of them, the latter allows him to survive in high EMS destroy and reunite with the crew (also personal coat my butt, the Geth and EDI still die in high EMS destroy, that is virmirish enough)
Nah, that's where we disagree, I don't think that is all that difficult or painful choice, and Shep doesn't really pay a very high price there for a happy ending there. Neither the Geth nor EDI mean THAT much to Shepard, IMO.
Yestare7 wrote...
To me , it works perfectly.
All thru-out the three games, Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers.
WHY change your mind at the last minute because an insane AI lies?
1. Control = tim's delusions
2. Synthesis = brat's idiotic plan
3. destroy = what we came here for!!
Destroy Reapers, do hospital time, have a big party!!
It's win/win.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
Yestare7 wrote...
To me , it works perfectly.
All thru-out the three games, Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers.
WHY change your mind at the last minute because an insane AI lies?
1. Control = tim's delusions
2. Synthesis = brat's idiotic plan
3. destroy = what we came here for!!
Destroy Reapers, do hospital time, have a big party!!
It's win/win.
Quoted for mucho truthness.
1. Shepard's body is never found.Auld Wulf wrote...
If you want to delude yourself, then yes.Dr_Extrem wrote...
Auld Wulf wrote...
@OP
The problem is is that we can't prove it's not the clone that survived. The clone was wearing N7 armour, and Shepard most likely isn't, so it's even more likely that the clone survives in Destroy.
weapons grade head canon.
1. The clone's body is never found.
2. The clone wears N7 armour.
3. Most Shepard characters won't wear N7 armour because other armour has better stats.
This is all canon. Please think about it instead of snapping back. Now...
Every one.Auld Wulf wrote...
Was your Shepard wearing N7 armour at the end?
Keep trollingAuld Wulf wrote...
I'm arguing an entirely valid point. That the scene in Destroy is actually the clone. I genuinely believe this and it's my prerogative. I believe that Destroy fans are deluding themselves.Yestare7 wrote...
@Auld Wolf: you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
In some places this is considered "trolling"
It's the clone, people.
Modifié par Drewton, 18 mars 2013 - 03:21 .
Robosexual wrote...
He dies in Destroy anyway, that was his last breath, I couldn't choose genocide just for that.
I can deal with ridiculous as long as I get emotional payoff and a happier ending, life is made of priorities, if I wanted to be reminded of life's grim reality I would have watched the newsHolyAvenger wrote...
All BioWare games tell a story that is a collaboration between player and writers. Because they tend to be strongly-linear, with well-defined NPCs and character interactions. Its why I prefer BioWare games over, say, Elder Scrolls games. I have no issues with the game limiting my freedom and my choices. Its what I actively choose when going for this style of WRPGs.crimzontearz wrote...
then they should not market it to me as "my story" as well....also, they chose to let Shepard live in high EMS destroy, that is something Casey and Preston PUSHED for but MAC likely thought it was not grimdark and artsy enough so we are left with JUST the breath scene, so yeah, bioware is still telling their story but the views of ONE man screwed it over
I don't care to engage in the blame game. All I'll say is that I have no issues with the darkness of the endings themselves, only with the narrative vehicle which with they were set up (Starbrat) and the meaning that was ascribed to them with regards to themes introduced and reasoning behind the Reapers. That was ridiculous.
MattFini wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
He dies in Destroy anyway, that was his last breath, I couldn't choose genocide just for that.
This is one of those things that blows my mind.
With all the visual information you get in the extended cut, it's staggering that people can simply choose to ignore all the cues and opt to believe Shep is choking out a dying breath.
The ending is hardly Blade Runner.
Sure, I get that. I just don't agree with it. A happier ending would have made you happy, and not me. Fair enough, you can't satisfy the whole audience the whole time.crimzontearz wrote...
I can deal with ridiculous as long as I get emotional payoff and a happier ending, life is made of priorities, if I wanted to be reminded of life's grim reality I would have watched the news
That's the whole point. The whole game is about the swathes of the death and destructions the Reapers have inflicted but till the endgame, Shepard and the Normandy are pretty immune. Hence why I think an endgame where he also escaped scott-free once would have been far too cheesy for me. The breath ending skirts that edge pretty heavily.Kais Endac wrote...
That will *really* go down well with the fanbase especially those that are a bit too attached to their LI.
The thing is that Bioware has tried to do the whole difficult choices [ending choices] thing and [while not a majority] a significant amount of people didn't like it.
For me I don't want deep dark and morally ambigious endings, it's ok in films/books and games that stick to a linear path (since I wouldn't get attached to the characters or may not even buy the game since it's clearly not my sort of thing) but for a game like mass effect I would have liked the option to have a happier bittersweet ending even if it was relegated to an option that had to be activated. That way my enjoyment of the ending is not ruining other peoples. But again I'm only one person so maybe it might have just made things worse.
garrusfan1 wrote...
I guess citadel dlc shows bioware supports destroy. yeah I went there.
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