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[LilyasAvalon]

Just general curiousity here, the vanilla game barely mentioned this at all after all.

I mean, you'll get one or two lines from Kaidan/Ash in the game about your other partner (Is there something between you and Garrus/Tali?), if you take a previously romanced Ash/Liara on the geth dreadnaught with Tali, you'll get some snark. Thane asks if there's something he should know if you previously romanced Kaidan. Garrus didn't even seem AWARE that my FemShep was EVER involved with Kaidan in any way.

But that's like IT. After you've locked in a certain romance, nobody even seems to acknowledge you were in a previous romance. Are there any other scenes I may have missed?

What about the Citadel DLC? Let's say I romanced Kaidan in ME1, and Thane in ME2, then after Thane's death, reignited my romance with Kaidan. Does Citadel DLC acknowledge that I was with Thane? Will I still get the romance speech at his funeral and the audio logs?

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 18 mars 2013 - 01:21 .

[kelnagryphon]

After the way the VS treats you on the Colony I don't think many people would class it as "cheating" - I sure wouldn't, I think, being frank, they're an a-hole to you - Shepard has died, being revived using the bleeding edge of science, and the person you love, who, in your timeline, has only been gone a few weeks, doesnt go "OMG Shepard you're ALIVE, what happened? I missed you so much, tell me everything" we just get "ugh! I hearded you woz with CERBERUS!!! I haterz u nao"

I was a lot more conflicted with Liara, especially after LotSB, I initially thought she'd just turned cold, then to find out the whole 2 years had been about her love for Shepard...I actually kept 2 saved games going into 3 because I genuinely couldn't choose between Liara and Tali's devotion.

Modifié par kelnagryphon, 18 mars 2013 - 01:38 .

[Slayer299]

It pretty much boils down to a few lines and that's it. No confrontations or angry words that affect anything. After the VS confrontation on Horizon and BW constantly telling us how this choice could effect things in ME3 it was a pretty huge bust.

[SiriusXI]

Slayer299 wrote...

It pretty much boils down to a few lines and that's it. No confrontations or angry words that affect anything. After the VS confrontation on Horizon and BW constantly telling us how this choice could effect things in ME3 it was a pretty huge bust.

Just like:

- saving/sacraficing the council
- saving/killing Rachni
- saving/destroying the Collector-Base

And the real shame is that Bioware really did care about these choices, but the game was just rushed. Just look at Genophage and Rhannoch story arch.

Genophage cure depends on:
- Wrex dead or alive
- Mordin dead or alive
- Malon's Data saved, destroyed or loyalty-quest skipped
- Betraying Wrex in ME3

Geth-Quarian peace depends on:
- Tali dead or alive
- Tali exiled or not
- Legion dead or alive
- Heretics destroyed/overwritten
- Saving that Quarian Admiral in ME3


All these thingsmattered. It just seems thatb they didn't have enough time to implement different outcomes depending on your choices. What a shame... what a WASTE!

[DeinonSlayer]

If you romance the VS and lose them in the coup, there's different dialogue depending on if you shot them or a squadmate shot them. Garrus apologizes at the memorial wall, saying he knew you were close with them at one point.

[HolyAvenger]

Honestly, too much emphasis on the "cheating" would've been annoying. We got the fate of galactic civilization hanging in the balance here, ain't no one got time for that!

[ComfortablyNumb]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Honestly, too much emphasis on the "cheating" would've been annoying. We got the fate of galactic civilization hanging in the balance here, ain't no one got time for that!

Probably why Jacob survived meeting (previously romanced) F!Shep in ME3...

[HolyAvenger]

mrufka_z wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Honestly, too much emphasis on the "cheating" would've been annoying. We got the fate of galactic civilization hanging in the balance here, ain't no one got time for that!

Probably why Jacob survived meeting (previously romanced) F!Shep in ME3...

Well, I guess he took a heavy risk...

[Adoramei]

I actually would have liked more emphasis for cheating. My characters have all maintained their loyalty, and it would have been nice to maybe do one playthrough just to see how much conflict there would be. Of course, I wouldn't want a broken record harping on it like certain companions with their constant "OMG U CERBERUS" broken-record. (Thank god I always kill her on Virmire. Wish my Shep could have done it herself. Friggin' Xenophobe.)

But on another note, I do agree that the "cheating" doesn't really feel like cheating so much to me. When I first saw my fiance play through ME2, Ashley chewed him out something awful. I honestly thought that it was a breakup. But in ME3, when I saw a youtube video where Kaidan actually says, "I understand why you cheated." .. I actually got kinda mad about that. The Horizon conversation seems pretty final. I mean, yes, you get the e-mail from them, but they don't really say, "Yeah, we're still together." I know that Kaidan's mail essentially says, "Maybe after this.. then maybe." It actually says MAYBE.

Well, I think it's all just a matter of how they scripted it, to be honest. Coulda been done better. Most people I've spoken to really didn't think that it seemed like cheating. Even I, with my strict moral code, really didn't see it as cheating. But I think we were meant to read between the lines with the relationship. Sigh. Oh well.

But there really is minimal response about cheating, and their promised "perks" for remaining loyal didn't really go much further than getting an achievement for it. Joy. I feel so accomplished in life now. Well, that and not getting QQ'ed at.. a total of maybe 1-3 times.

[hadrain77]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Honestly, too much emphasis on the "cheating" would've been annoying. We got the fate of galactic civilization hanging in the balance here, ain't no one got time for that!

I totally agree with you however Bioware's motto for this game is "choices mattered" and specifically that if you cheated there would be consequences. Not sure about you but for me it was more out of curiosity and to find out that if you cheated all you got was a throw-a-way line from the person cheated on was a huge let down.

Modifié par hadrain77, 18 mars 2013 - 04:11 .

[Nykara]

Kaidan actually said something about cheating? I must have missed that with my Jacob fling character. Yeah my Shep was the bad one there, using Jacob till Kaidan was available again In any case all I recall was Shep mentioning something about them being lightyears apart. Kaidan saying it was okay and that was it. I don't even recall the word cheating being used ever.

[IllusiveManJr]

I used the infinite skill points glitch for my SentShep in ME2. Does that count?

[Dieb]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Honestly, too much emphasis on the "cheating" would've been annoying. We got the fate of galactic civilization hanging in the balance here, ain't no one got time for that!

That's something I agree with.

And from a personal point of view: The way I roleplay my canon Shepard, even one romance is unexpected, yet adds nicely to his arc. But hooking up with two crewmates and then having some relationship triangle tension mumbo jumbo would just be way off, in my opinion. And I have a hard time figuring it to be any different even for someone how plays a way more "positive" character than I do.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 18 mars 2013 - 04:20 .

[Adoramei]

Nykara wrote...

Kaidan actually said something about cheating? I must have missed that with my Jacob fling character. Yeah my Shep was the bad one there, using Jacob till Kaidan was available again In any case all I recall was Shep mentioning something about them being lightyears apart. Kaidan saying it was okay and that was it. I don't even recall the word cheating being used ever.

I think that's the one I saw. Around 1:20, you'll hear him say it outright. And haha.. if I wasn't such a goody-goody, I'd probably do the same thing with my Shepard. I mean.. Jacob.



I think the Jacob Old Spice commercial wraps up that train of thought entirely.

[ComfortablyNumb]

While not exactly related to OP - I found it weird that during the party, Miranda invited Shepard to her room and said he wouldn't regret it. Let me add, that Shepard was happily involved with Steve at the time...
There was no option to actually go to Miranda, but her invite bugged me nonetheless 

[Kenshen]

There seem to be 2 things that get mentioned. First if Shep cheated in ME2 and why the LI doesn't come visit us while we are guests of the alliance. The meeting on Horizon went about the way I would expect it would though it did seem to involve just a tad too much cerberus hate esp from Ash. I can forgive that since I have no clue how I would actually feel if someone I loved had died then suddenly appears 2 years latter working for the bad guys. What I don't get is even after that meeting and the follow up email we get, if you didn't pursue other interests in ME2 is why they don't come see you when we are locked up. That ruined any chance of striking up things in 3. Ash really takes it to the exetreme on Mars and I could have shot her or just left her there I would have.

Modifié par aryon69, 18 mars 2013 - 05:03 .

[Adoramei]

I always let Ashley die on Virmire, but I find it really fun to youtube interactions that I could never bring my Shepards to do. Never had any interest in seeing anything Ashley-centric, but now I'm curious. There are a lot of people mentioning preferring Kaidan's attitude over Ashley's, which is a surprise to me since most opinions I've seen before ME3 have been in favour of the latter. Is she really that bad in 3?

[DecCylonus]

Let's just say Ash takes a lot of convincing in ME3 that Shepard has cut all Cerberus ties. She sticks it to you on Mars, it comes up again in the hospital, again at the confrontation with Udina, and again if she rejoins your crew. I'm glad that Bioware didn't just go the vanilla route:"Oh, you're back with the Alliance now. Good." It does make her annoying though.

[Kenshen]

Adoramei wrote...

I always let Ashley die on Virmire, but I find it really fun to youtube interactions that I could never bring my Shepards to do. Never had any interest in seeing anything Ashley-centric, but now I'm curious. There are a lot of people mentioning preferring Kaidan's attitude over Ashley's, which is a surprise to me since most opinions I've seen before ME3 have been in favour of the latter. Is she really that bad in 3?

I think she is.  I always disliked Kaidan's whinning in ME1 but that is nothing compared to Ash's constantly bringing up the cerberus thing and I haven't even used a save where I romanced then cheated on her.   Since she survived Virmire in most of my saves she now dies protecting the council.

[Cagamelo]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

I used the infinite skill points glitch for my SentShep in ME2. Does that count?

Shep: "A lot has happened Ash, but I'd like to work this out"
Ash: "I'm surprised"
Shep: "Why?"
Ash: "Gibbed's Save Editor? Ring a bell?"

[kalasaurus]

Kaidan mentions the "cheating" in the hospital and later in the Citadel date. Some of the lines change in the romance scene, too:
Loyal: "I've always loved you. Through all these years, through everything. I'm the luckiest man alive."
Cheated: "I love you too. Until the end of time."

Thane and Jacob (in Citadel) acknowledge a past relationship with Kaidan. Garrus only acknowledges it if you kill Kaidan during the Coup.

I know Ashley gets more upset about it than Kaidan. He knows he screwed up while Ashley's hurt that Shepard found someone else.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 18 mars 2013 - 09:04 .

[Adoramei]

Speaking of the catfight.. Ah, Tali.

[cerberus1701]

kelnagryphon wrote...

After the way the VS treats you on the Colony I don't think many people would class it as "cheating" - I sure wouldn't, I think, being frank, they're an a-hole to you - Shepard has died, being revived using the bleeding edge of science, and the person you love, who, in your timeline, has only been gone a few weeks, doesnt go "OMG Shepard you're ALIVE, what happened? I missed you so much, tell me everything" we just get "ugh! I hearded you woz with CERBERUS!!! I haterz u nao"

This.

After 2 and the first half of 3 I don't think anyone can make a rational argument that any Shepard "cheated" on Ash or Kaiden.

No Shepard could be reasonably expected to believe that a relationship still existed.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 18 mars 2013 - 09:20 .

[kalasaurus]

cerberus1701 wrote...

kelnagryphon wrote...

After the way the VS treats you on the Colony I don't think many people would class it as "cheating" - I sure wouldn't, I think, being frank, they're an a-hole to you - Shepard has died, being revived using the bleeding edge of science, and the person you love, who, in your timeline, has only been gone a few weeks, doesnt go "OMG Shepard you're ALIVE, what happened? I missed you so much, tell me everything" we just get "ugh! I hearded you woz with CERBERUS!!! I haterz u nao"

This.

After 2 and the first half of 3 I don't think anyone can make a rational argument that any Shepard "cheated" on Ash or Kaiden.

No Shepard could be reasonably expected to believe that a relationship still existed.

Yeah, I agree with this.  The email doesn't really count when it's obvious they haven't kept in touch and Shepard has to work to earn the VS's trust for half of ME3.

At the very least, they were on a break.  The only real cheating in this game would be on Liara if Shepard rekindled their romance in LotSB.

[Nykara]

Adoramei wrote...

Nykara wrote...

Kaidan actually said something about cheating? I must have missed that with my Jacob fling character. Yeah my Shep was the bad one there, using Jacob till Kaidan was available again In any case all I recall was Shep mentioning something about them being lightyears apart. Kaidan saying it was okay and that was it. I don't even recall the word cheating being used ever.

I think that's the one I saw. Around 1:20, you'll hear him say it outright. And haha.. if I wasn't such a goody-goody, I'd probably do the same thing with my Shepard. I mean.. Jacob.



I think the Jacob Old Spice commercial wraps up that train of thought entirely.

Thanks for the vid maybe I never got my Jacob Mancing Shepard that far in to the game, she wasn't my cannon Shep my cannon Shep was always loyal to Kaidan