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[Huntress]

BeatoSama wrote...

Really? Any reason why they would do that?

Ninjad: was referring to purging of reviews.

They purged the negative review so they could sell more of their game, they banned alot of players from their game and the forum.

1) http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

2) http://www.pcgamer.c...o-the-ea-devil/

3)http://www.rockpaper...u-out-of-games/

link: http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Check the scores..

No i do not give a rat about metacrit, 4chan or EA.

Modifié par Huntress, 19 mars 2013 - 10:40 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Huntress wrote...

BeatoSama wrote...

Really? Any reason why they would do that?

Ninjad: was referring to purging of reviews.

They purged the negative review so they could sell more of their game, they banned alot of players from their game and the forum.

1) http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

2) http://www.pcgamer.c...o-the-ea-devil/

3)http://www.rockpaper...u-out-of-games/

link: http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Check the scores..

No i do not give a rat about metacrit, 4chan or EA.

Are you seriously suggesting that the BSN, Origin, and Metacritic are all controlled by the same entity?

[Huntress]

Where did I say that EA, BioWare controls 2 or 3 different review sites?
Point it at me right now.

Modifié par Huntress, 19 mars 2013 - 11:13 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Huntress wrote...

Where did I say that EA, BioWare controls 2 or 3 different review sites?
Point it at me right now.

As you wish.

Here is where you refer to a review purge in direct response to someone talking about Metacritic user reviews:

Huntress wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

.. a quick look at metacritic shows an average 8.2 score, and by most review sites there scale goes as: 7 good, 8 great, 9 excellent etc. An 8.2 is in that "great" range, which was the original topic of this discussion right?

That's because they purged the negative reviews.

Here is where you refer to them banning users from Origin and deleting posts from the BSN:

Huntress wrote...

BeatoSama wrote...

Really? Any reason why they would do that?

Ninjad: was referring to purging of reviews.

They purged the negative review so they could sell more of their game, they banned alot of players from their game and the forum.

1) http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

2) http://www.pcgamer.c...o-the-ea-devil/

3)http://www.rockpaper...u-out-of-games/

link: http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Check the scores..

No i do not give a rat about metacrit, 4chan or EA.

In the first post, you are clearly replying to someone when the subject is METACRITIC reviews and an unnamed "they". In the second post, you continue to to use the term "they", but seem to refer to those responsible the banning of users from the BSN and Origin, rather than Metacritic, the topic of the first quoted post.

Since you use "they" in both, seemingly to refer to the same party responsible, it stands to reason that you are (erroneously) attempting to infer that some sort of collaboration between EA and Metacritic exists without any actual proof.

[Allan Schumacher]

If Bioware thought DA2 was good, then the expansion wouldn't have been cancelled.

It was really more that DA3 got people really excited. I was on the DA2XP and thought it had some cool stuff coming through that would be pretty sweet to do. But I was able to move on pretty quickly when the opportunity was presented to work with new tech, a new engine, and to push through many of the ideas that we wanted to put in for DA2XP, but on a much larger scale.

Whether or not you choose to believe me is your own prerogative. I would just like to surmise this in reminding people that simply because a conclusion can be logical (and logically, the idea that we canceled DA2XP because we thought DA2 was a bad game is perfectly sound), doesn't mean it's actually reality.

[rolson00]

David Gaider wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
If Bioware thought DA2 was good, then the expansion wouldn't have been cancelled.  You aren't the only one in Bioware.  I have already expressed my concerns that if an author feels a game was a great game (when it wasn't), then that author would be less inclined to fix the mistakes from said game.  That is all.

I see. So canceling the expansion was just because we thought DA2 wasn't good. And I think it's awesome... why, I'm not sure. Maybe it's because I (or other DA2 devs) don't care to slag our own game for the interest of the fans? Or because we don't bow our heads and go, "Yep, yep, you're so right. Wow, did we screw up. Man, what a turd."

If you feel that way, great. If you expect us to feel that way, you're mistaken. Every project we've worked on has mistakes we regret and things we thought we did well-- I know it's an incredible blow for anyone who places DAO up on a pedestal, but it was no different. It's possible (for most people, anyhow) to like something a great deal despite its flaws... in fact, speaking personally, that would have to be true or I'd like no game at all.

DA2 did have flaws-- big ones. Some in its execution, some in its design. Some couldn't have been helped, some could have been. What this would tell you, I can't imagine. Possibly we disagree on what those flaws were (big surprise), but I suggest you wait until you know more about DA3 before you start leaping to conclusions about whether we've addressed them sufficiently... as well as trying to support those conclusions by explaining how we feel about our own projects.

Until that point, I suggest you stick to something you know well-- your own opinions-- rather than flailing around trying to make your opinions seem more impressive by alluding to knowledge you simply don't have.

Fair enough?

I love it when you kick arse with reason and logic
but back to the topic  i'm pro-Templar but anti chantry, would I be able to to have the best of both worlds?

[Korusus]

David Gaider wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
As for the OP, Beerfish is right: The mage x Templar conflict in Thedas seems quite a difficult nut to crack. I don't think we humans here on earth have done it yet and we don't even have our own "dangerous persons" throwing fireballs.

Will be interesting to see how the BW writers tackle that. Can't wait!

I hope it will be interesting. I'm not sure why anyone imagines that we would have the entire game revolve around the issue-- as in every second of every minute, like Act 3 of DA2 stretched out over an entire game-- but I guess if that's the only thing one has to work with and they really wanted to imagine the worst possible continuation they could certainly do that.

And I suppose some people do certainly try.

Come on David.  Let's not pretend like everything in DA2 wasn't a play on the theme of "Mages and Templars are both psychopaths with severe homocidal tendencies."

I promise to buy DA:I if there's even one "evil" mage in the game that isn't a blood mage.  Just one.

Modifié par Korusus, 19 mars 2013 - 11:26 .

[Huntress]

Let me refresh your memory, when metacrit was full of people ... complaining about da2, somehow some people who puts their valuable but negative comments were removed or not posted and only "good comments" were allow in that site, Ea? Bioware? The God in the machine? who knows.. someone did because it happened, i was here and if you want to find out if is true or not search for it.

Right here in this very BSN Writers tryed to defend the product and start banning people who were very vocal, stanly woo ( before he was helped to leave) asked people for imput of why so upset people did this aswell. it happened check the search bottom

Post like this were everywere, in almost all review sites you'll find 20+ asking the same question:
http://social.biowar...index/6497700/2

why? because everyone saw metacrit/ign and whatever site you go and read put da2 as 2.4 rate game score or lower. dont belive me again search for it you will find it.
some if not hundreds of polls were made about da2, people were leaving if ME3 was bad.. well suprise! me3 is even worst that da2.

What ever it happened 2 years ago, i dont give a fly if you or anyone believe me, the records of what i am saing is in the web, search and you will find.

Again why if everyone think da2 is 2.4 metacrit still put it as 8+ ask them.

Modifié par Huntress, 19 mars 2013 - 11:40 .

[Masha Potato]

Well at least DA:I will certainly have good grammar

[John Epler]

Drop this sidebar. Now.

[Huntress]

Masha Potato wrote...

Well at least DA:I will certainly have good grammar

English is not my native tongue, if you wish only for english speaking gamers then ask this companies to stop selling their game and books around the world.

Modifié par Huntress, 19 mars 2013 - 11:54 .

[Huntress]

krul2k wrote...

ohhh i feel like a scolded child now, damn im actually embarrassed lol

haha sorry boss i shut up now

I am here waiting for info about what happened to hawke, after that.. keep this site, dragon age inquisition and EA all to yourselves.

[Sejborg]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

If Bioware thought DA2 was good, then the expansion wouldn't have been cancelled.

It was really more that DA3 got people really excited. I was on the DA2XP and thought it had some cool stuff coming through that would be pretty sweet to do. But I was able to move on pretty quickly when the opportunity was presented to work with new tech, a new engine, and to push through many of the ideas that we wanted to put in for DA2XP, but on a much larger scale.

Whether or not you choose to believe me is your own prerogative. I would just like to surmise this in reminding people that simply because a conclusion can be logical (and logically, the idea that we canceled DA2XP because we thought DA2 was a bad game is perfectly sound), doesn't mean it's actually reality.

Well. I do believe that you people at Bioware think that DA2 was an awesome game, but I also believe that you at Bioware and EA recognize that many fans didn't enjoy the game, and therefore would not be buying the DLC's or expansion pack for it. Concidering that it wouild be sensible to cut your losses and create something more profitable - aka a new game.

Theories, theories.

[Renmiri1]

Getting back to the OP...

BBC has a new series "In the Flesh" about an Earth after a zombie apocalypse where the zombies are medicated daily and sent back to live with their families.

Quite interesting and  it reminded me a lot about the Gallows and Meredith. All the fear and prejudice about the danger the "Partially Deceased Syndrome sufferers" (rehabilitated zombies) and the semi-fascist HDF (Human Defense Force). Which are justified because there was - and is - real danger, but how can you condemn thousands of people to a life in jail for something that is essentially not their fault ?

Series is very dark and full of angst.


I hope DAI goes lighter on the drama. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 mars 2013 - 12:24 .

[Cigne]

Huntress wrote...

Let me refresh your memory, when metacrit was full of people ... complaining about da2, somehow some people who puts their valuable but negative comments were removed or not posted and only "good comments" were allow in that site, Ea? Bioware? The God in the machine? who knows.. someone did because it happened, i was here and if you want to find out if is true or not search for it.

Right here in this very BSN Writers tryed to defend the product and start banning people who were very vocal, stanly woo ( before he was helped to leave) asked people for imput of why so upset people did this aswell. it happened check the search bottom

Post like this were everywere, in almost all review sites you'll find 20+ asking the same question:
http://social.biowar...index/6497700/2

why? because everyone saw metacrit/ign and whatever site you go and read put da2 as 2.4 rate game score or lower. dont belive me again search for it you will find it.
some if not hundreds of polls were made about da2, people were leaving if ME3 was bad.. well suprise! me3 is even worst that da2.

What ever it happened 2 years ago, i dont give a fly if you or anyone believe me, the records of what i am saing is in the web, search and you will find.

Again why if everyone think da2 is 2.4 metacrit still put it as 8+ ask them.

I don't believe you.

I took a couple of days off, and was waiting the morning of DA2's release for the game to arrive in the morning mail; decided to look in on forum and saw the flak about the user metacritic scores. Checked it out--hundreds of 0's and 1's.... who finishes an rpg that quick? 9 a.m. on the west coast of North America, on the day of release, and I'm seeing reviews for a 30hr (or 20 if you're a skeptic) game, and watching a growing list of zero scores; in effect stating that the game does NOTHING right, has NO value--

eh, keep your fly.

On topic, I still think should try to keep import decisions limited to a more personal nature. I will be suprised if they can avoid having railroad the story (solution?) resolving the mage/Circle conflict.

That doesn't mean I'm not willing to be suprised, though.

[Renmiri1]

Huntress wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Well at least DA:I will certainly have good grammar

English is not my native tongue, if you wish only for english speaking gamers then ask this companies to stop selling their game and books around the world.

While this GIF might be valid for most arguments it isn't so good here.

We are discussing WRITING and more specifically, ENGLISH WRITING when we discuss the game's story and plot and if you can't write or speak english well, then your criticism loses a lot of it's weight.

If we were discussing graphics sharpness and I told you I don't have my glasses on, would you trust my assessment that the graphics are "too blurry" ?

PS: I am also not a native english speaker but I make a big effort to know about what I comment on so people rarely notice my grammar.  

[Fast Jimmy]

EDIT: Removed my comment due to Epler's request

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 20 mars 2013 - 12:48 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Korusus wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
As for the OP, Beerfish is right: The mage x Templar conflict in Thedas seems quite a difficult nut to crack. I don't think we humans here on earth have done it yet and we don't even have our own "dangerous persons" throwing fireballs.

Will be interesting to see how the BW writers tackle that. Can't wait!

I hope it will be interesting. I'm not sure why anyone imagines that we would have the entire game revolve around the issue-- as in every second of every minute, like Act 3 of DA2 stretched out over an entire game-- but I guess if that's the only thing one has to work with and they really wanted to imagine the worst possible continuation they could certainly do that.

And I suppose some people do certainly try.

Come on David.  Let's not pretend like everything in DA2 wasn't a play on the theme of "Mages and Templars are both psychopaths with severe homocidal tendencies."

I promise to buy DA:I if there's even one "evil" mage in the game that isn't a blood mage.  Just one.

Well to be fair, a lot of the mages that could be considered evil eventually turn to blood magic, but thats also a by product of being evil if that makes any sense. Not all mages who use Blood Magic are evil mind you, Merrill for instance is "good" (relatively) but she uses it and Anders bombs a Chantry full of civilians, priestesses and I think it was mentioned, orphans, but he actually despises blood magic because it makes it harder on mages who don't and could be considered "evil". Now what I'm getting at is that I think that being a Blood Mage is more of the end result. I mean we could say that Orsino was evil before the entire Harvester event but he turned to it at the end...so does that count

[Vortex13]

 Very good points OP, I agree that both sides need to show valid points and not fall into the whole Templar (or Mage) = bad and Mage (or Templar) = good; there needs to be a balance. I also agree that picking one side should not indicate your character is okay with the extreme ends of the respective factions. I am Pro Templar in the sense that I feel the Circles are nesasary, but I most certainly don't agree with abusing mages or in the belief that mages are essentially 'mistakes' in the Maker's eyes. The Circles need extensive reforming, and a shifting of power, but they are essential and do help bring about good IF used properly. 

I applaude the writers for the morally grey world they have created in DA, and I hope they continue the trend in DA:I with the Mage vs. Templar plot, and also (should they be included) the potential allies/enemies of the Awakened Darkspawn. It is easy to simply favor one side (Mages or Templars) and treat all other outcomes as evil and wrong but I have confidence that the writers can maintain this nice shade of grey over the setting.

Modifié par Vortex13, 20 mars 2013 - 03:29 .

[Renmiri1]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Well to be fair, a lot of the mages that could be considered evil eventually turn to blood magic, but thats also a by product of being evil if that makes any sense. Not all mages who use Blood Magic are evil mind you, Merrill for instance is "good" (relatively) but she uses it and Anders bombs a Chantry full of civilians, priestesses and I think it was mentioned, orphans, but he actually despises blood magic because it makes it harder on mages who don't and could be considered "evil". Now what I'm getting at is that I think that being a Blood Mage is more of the end result. I mean we could say that Orsino was evil before the entire Harvester event but he turned to it at the end...so does that count

No, not orphans

On Act 1 two of the priestesses on the left side (not Karl's side) talk about hungry orphans not daring to come near the chantry with fear of being arrested by templars. They want to help but apparently not enough to bother Elthina or Meredith about it.

On Act 3 one of the blood mages you retrieve for Meredith is revealed as a nice Ferelden mage who was caring for the orphans on Lowtown. This nice mage, finding herself without enough money to care for them goes to the Circle and asks for help.

She is arrested and confined to the gallows, while the orphan kids she cared for were never picked up or cared for. They are still fending for themselves on Act 3 when that mage girl finally sucumbs to a demon, after being hunted by templars. Heavens know why she would prefer THAT than going back to the Gallows ( Alrick ? ).

The chantry on Kirkwall does NOT do any charity work and in fact actually has templars send away refugeees, orphans and the poor. Anders and others, some of them mages, are the ones who do charity,

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 mars 2013 - 05:11 .

[AlanC9]

LPPrince wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...
It was to point out that because they did a fine job in earlier games to build up this divide they will have to tread carefully in how they present a resolution, even if it is a temporary one.

They could go the TW1 route, where nothing Geralt did made very much difference to the human/nonhuman struggle.

Didn't that kinda happen in the DAO slides between humans and elves?

Yep. And a couple of other things the player can do don't work out too well.

TW is a bit different in that the conflict is much more central to the plot of the game -- if only because Geralt keeps getting dragged into it one way or another.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 mars 2013 - 06:16 .