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renjility wrote...

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Always wanted to ask: The DLC of the thief, is it worth it? Never managed to get it :(


If by "the DLC of the thief" you mean Mark of the Asassin, then I'd say that yes, it's worth getting. It has quite a different feel from Legacy - more NPC interaction, more puzzles. A part that involves sneaking, in a system specially made for that part of the game; kind of a minigame; one that if you don't like, you can skip by choosing another, more combat heavy approach.

The party banter in the mod is quite excellent. I think the DLC is worth the cost.


And I'd say no. Legacy I could recommend, but MotA was let-down. The temporary companion, Tallis, was extremely annoying and the first Bioware companion character I consider to be actually very badly written. Felicia Day's self-insert fanfiction character. 
The stealth system was awkward, and although I give the devs credit for trying to implement it in the game, it was more frustrating to get through than it was worth.
If your Hawke is anti-Qunari, the end-result of the DLC is baffling, and once again, choices are completely meaningless. Everything ends the same no matter what, and Hawke is more incapable than ever when you choose the anti-Qunari option.


I can't give them credit for trying to re-implement something that existed in most of their previous rpgs.  Why was rogue Hawke struggling while Tallis teleported freely across the zone?  When an enemy catches me sneaking, let me fight, don't just reset and have Tallis say, "no worries."

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I thought MOA was ok not great. I didn't like the sneaking. I feel some people don't like Felicia Day personally so they don't like the dlc. I don't have anything against Felicia Day.

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Idk what everyones saying. I loved both equally.

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Not bad just not up to what DAO 's sequel should be.

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Angrywolves wrote...

I thought MOA was ok not great. I didn't like the sneaking. I feel some people don't like Felicia Day personally so they don't like the dlc. I don't have anything against Felicia Day.


I had never heard of Felicia Day before this DLC, so my opinion of Tallis is based on the character Tallis.

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Not bad just not up to what DAO 's sequel should be.

As the series is one off stories set in that world its completely wrong to regard DA2 as a sequel. Its the next game in that series, thats the way to regard that game. Bioware really should have released the game under its working title of Dragon Age: Exodus as this would have helped consumers know that it was going to be different. From reading some of the threads on here some people seem to expect DA to mirror ME and get confused as to why they can't import The Warden into DA2. 
 Unfortunately the game is called DA2, which is short,catchy and great for marketing. The one side effect of that name is it suggests its a sequel to DAO. But you have in effect already had a sequel to Origins in the form of the expansion.DA:I will have to deal with the baggage of DA2 to some degree so it will to serve as a bit of a sequel to that game. In some respects it would have being better if the expansion for DA2 had being released as the next game in the series wouldn't have the baggage of the last to address.

Modifié par XM-417, 15 avril 2013 - 10:37 .


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renjility wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I thought MOA was ok not great. I didn't like the sneaking. I feel some people don't like Felicia Day personally so they don't like the dlc. I don't have anything against Felicia Day.


I had never heard of Felicia Day before this DLC, so my opinion of Tallis is based on the character Tallis.

I'd never heard of her before either. My problems are for the most part with the character Tallis. The plot armour she is given if only a PC was so pampered and coddled. Also in a game thats supposed to be Hawke's personal story it does seem very strange for the protagonist to take a back seat for a random NPC to become the protagonist. As DA PCs are for one game only it doesn't do much to expand on Hawke's story. you can't question Tallis over her debatable beliefs and Hawke is handcuffed from doing anything about her at the end. Now if Varric had said at the end that Tallis disappeared and was never seen again, i'd have wept tears of joy at this wonderful news. But sadly it didn't happen it was the PC who disappeared and was never heard from again. After two games where this has happened its a boring way to end the game. I feel apathetic about what happens in the story when the ending for the PC is so boring. My only problem with Felicia day is i don't like her voice.She just sounded at odds with the rest of the VAs in that DLC.

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Quite possibly the worst game I've played this year.

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It's a moderate game. I don't think it's a really that bad as many may say (I've played some far worse really). But I think most of the criticism toward DA 2 was because the game didn't live up to DA:O reputation.
1/ Gameplay wise, It's nice to have faster combat, nice movement BUT it took away most of the tactic elements, plus the waves of enemies and the trash fights are kinda stupid. Also they reuse area too much, it's annoying.

2/ Art style wise, I don't like it. Some might say it's an improvement but I think it's so dam ugly. it looks so unreal (especially body and face model), too cartoon like for my taste. The environment also look fake, lazily create, and downright boring.

3/ Story wise, I don't like it. The game separated into 1 prologue and 3 main acts that barely connect to each other. Also the way they show the conflict between mages and templars was rather lame. I understand the theme (struggle for freedom, desperate time lead to desperate measure) BUT they created way too many crazy mages, (some doesn't even make sense). Honestly, npcs kept harassing my ear with constant complain about how terrible templars treat mages, but seeing crazy blood mages running in every corner of the town, it's hard to feel sympathize to them. I love mages, and I always support them. But they should've shown more of the good / neutral / only wish for freedom mages. I'd rather see all that, and decide for myself than having someone constantly whine to my ears. Show, don't talk, really.

4/ Companions wise, I feel it was a big let down. The way they scatter all over the town, and ONLY talk to you once they have quests to give make me barely feel any connection with them the whole game. Unlike in DA:O, where all of you gather in a camp, and you can talk to your companions anytime. This also made romances feel terribly hollow in DA 2. For instance, I romanced Merrill, asked her to move in. And even though she did, all she could do was stand there, and when I click on her, she only repeated one line over and over again. Nothing else unless she has a quest for you. In DA:O, even on the field, you can talk to, and even flirt with your LI. Small things like that actually help create a deep connection between players and companions. This, however, totally disappeared in DA 2.

Also, personally I don't like companions in DA 2. The only interesting one was Varric, and your two siblings. Varric was witty, and interesting character, Bethany was naive, innocent, but cute, kind. Some might say she lacks backbone, but there are many strong women in the story, having a kind, innocent girl once in awhile can be refreshing. Carver was kind of a brat, but he's a good guy, and his character developed well if he survived. Some might hate him, me, I kinda see myself and my brother in their relationship. The brothers can be rough on the outside, but inside, brothers always have strong connection. Others, well, I always feel they are kinda bleh.

- Isabela was clearly a fan boy service (seriously, look at her design...). And her "flirting / sleeping with anything that move" personality is really annoying. I can understand they want to create a free, Jack Sparrow kind of character, but I guess they tried too hard.

- Anders was a big WTF to me. He was super cool in DA:OA. At the beginning of act 1, he was kinda the same interesting guy. But then he went all moody, obsessive, and at the end turn into a crazy abomination. I can agree with his ideal, but his action was completely unforgivable, and his end game character disgusted me.

- Merrill was another "try too hard" character. I can see they want to create a naive, innocent, cuddling girl that you can't help but want to hold close and protect. But they ended up creating a stupid, socially retard girl (seriously, they went overboard with the "Dalish don't understand human world so well" thing.).

- I have neutral feeling toward Fenris. He has a dark past, I can see why he's skeptical toward mages, and acted that way. Still, he didn't interest me enough to feel anything to him (and sometimes his "mages are evil" complains annoyed me too. having him and Anders in the same party, and they will murder your ears).

- Sebastian was a "meh" character. They mix a vengeance prince character with a chantry brother, I guess, to create some kind of belief conflict. However, the way they show it through Sebastian's quests was weak, and boring imo. He was like a big stick in the mud to me, plus his skills weren't impressive, so I almost never found him useful. A bad dlc character imo.

anyhow, it's just my rant. Overall, I could give DA 2 6 out of 10, which is slightly above average. Despite all my complains, I found it not a bad game, but definitely nowhere near "good".

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 17 avril 2013 - 04:56 .


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I just bought and played dragon age 2 for the first time last week. I really enjoyed DA:O but I wasn't all ga ga over it. I traded it in shortly after I did a play through. I picked up the Ultimate addition cause I wanted to play the DLC but never got around to it in till very recently. I am not sure what was different this time but I was completely enthralled with the story, setting and characters. 

I didn't plan on playing DA 2 because of what people were saying about it but after doing a complete Ultimate Origins play through I wanted more DA. I loved it! I ended up buying all the DA:2 dlc by the time I hit act 2. In my opinion the DA:2 dlc was the most fantastic dlc I have ever played for any game.

When I finished Dragon age 2 I was a little confused about all the hate. It wasn't perfect, but It was completely worth my time and money. Maybe I enjoyed it so much because my expectations were not high.

It didn't stop there. I bought and read the three dragon age novels and I think they are fantastic. I'm not sure what has happened to me but I now might be a bigger fan of Dragon age then Mass effect. I never saw that coming.

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rpdowning wrote...

When I finished Dragon age 2 I was a little confused about all the hate. It wasn't perfect, but It was completely worth my time and money. Maybe I enjoyed it so much because my expectations were not high.


I think a large part of the hate was due to the high bar DA:O had set, and the clear signs of a rushed game that DA2 showed. People were expecting something to the standard of DA:O, and the recycled environments, and the relatively small circles in which all the events of the game took place did not sit well with people expecting a grand adventure in the spirit of DA:O.

The second thing that struck people wrong was the story, or rather, as you first play the game, the apparent lack of one - it's really hard to see where the story is going, or if it is going anywhere, while playing. There doesn't seem, to the player, to be anything to distinguish mainline quests from side quests, so it's kinda like doing a series of sidequests. Acquiring personal wealth and status just isn't as inspiring a goal as saving the world from the blight.

When you compare to DA:O, or just about any other Bioware game, in the other games you tend to know, from early on in the game, what your overall goal is, what your purpose is, whereas in DA2, you're just kinda floundering about, doing random stuff.

Also, people didn't generally like the fact that you could only select accessories and weapons for your companions, and not armor, boots or headware. You keep finding great pieces of armor you can't use, other than to sell them, because you are not of the right class. 

People also didn't like the waves of enemies dropping from thin air. I wasn't as bothered by this, since I suspect the reason it was done was to avoid the sort of performance and lag issues that DA:O had with big battles, with all the enemies in the battle field at the same time. (Implementation though could have been better - for example, in cities, the enemy waves could have come from behind buildings, or from doorways, rather than dropping from the sky, and that it was done like it was, I think, speaks for the tight time constraints in the development process).

I think these were the major sources of discontentment, and once you get going with a negative outlook, you start  noticing and nitpicking other stuff too.

That's not to say I don't like DA2 - I do, I think it is a good game, overall.  And now there are DLC that expand the game with new areas, relieving that "claustrophobic" feel a bit, and mods that can help with other gripes (like a mod that allows you to equip armor on your companions, like in DA:O).

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rpdowning wrote...

I just bought and played dragon age 2 for the first time last week. I really enjoyed DA:O but I wasn't all ga ga over it. I traded it in shortly after I did a play through. I picked up the Ultimate addition cause I wanted to play the DLC but never got around to it in till very recently. I am not sure what was different this time but I was completely enthralled with the story, setting and characters. 

I didn't plan on playing DA 2 because of what people were saying about it but after doing a complete Ultimate Origins play through I wanted more DA. I loved it! I ended up buying all the DA:2 dlc by the time I hit act 2. In my opinion the DA:2 dlc was the most fantastic dlc I have ever played for any game.

When I finished Dragon age 2 I was a little confused about all the hate. It wasn't perfect, but It was completely worth my time and money. Maybe I enjoyed it so much because my expectations were not high.

It didn't stop there. I bought and read the three dragon age novels and I think they are fantastic. I'm not sure what has happened to me but I now might be a bigger fan of Dragon age then Mass effect. I never saw that coming.

Well there Are a couple of people who think DA2 was good you just have to look for them ha, ha.  I think it was good.  I'm playing DAO right now but it's getting a little boring I must admit.  I think I made 7 characters but haven't finished the game with them!  

Yeah, collecting Dragon Age stuff is fun.  I hope DA3:Inquisition will be good.Image IPB 

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Angrywolves wrote...

Not bad just not up to what DAO 's sequel should be.


Accurate.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Not bad just not up to what DAO 's sequel should be.


Accurate.



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I feel obligated to post here, even if it never gets acknowledged. The people who hated the game can sit on a stick. Honestly origins was ripe with alot of the same issues and was terribly dull in comparison ( awakening being the exception, awesome level design here ), and while i'm too lazy to argue point for point I hope that the overtly negative consensus doesn't result in bioware making Dragon Age 3 more cumbersome or worse!!!

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I see Dragon Age II as sort of a breath of fresh air in a genre over-saturated with "saves the world and all of mankind" plots. The "starts with nothing, becomes a hero" plot isn't exactly new either, but they pulled it off. It was neat to play a character that didn't decide the fate of an entire land/people for once. This sort of thing probably doesn't appeal to everyone, though.

It's certainly odd for a game like that to come after Origins, but ultimately I appreciated it for what it was. I was kind of bummed that I ignored it so long after hearing all the complaints.

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Unnecessary thread resurrection.

End of line.