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[horangi88]

Original Stikman wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Causing fire one thread at a time. Might what to use snap freeze for that
Now that I think of it; I don't even remember when was the last time I use the Paladin in gold.

aside from ashen earth, I haven't seen anyone willingly taking a paladin into gold or platinum.

Lol

[staindgrey]

Original Stikman wrote...

When was the last time you saw a paladin and thought... "yeah... this guy will do real well."

Pretty much every single time I see one...?

Not to join the mob mentality here, but I'm not sure what you're on about, OP. Snap Freeze, by numbers, isn't the best debuff out there, but it's heavily spammable, stuns and instantly freezes and hits a large area each time you use it. It's a good power. Also, the Paladin is a very versatile caster with high damage potential. If you're a Paladin and you aren't in first or second in points, you're doing something wrong.

[Tallgeese_VII]

staindgrey wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

When was the last time you saw a paladin and thought... "yeah... this guy will do real well."

Pretty much every single time I see one...?

Not to join the mob mentality here, but I'm not sure what you're on about, OP. Snap Freeze, by numbers, isn't the best debuff out there, but it's heavily spammable, stuns and instantly freezes and hits a large area each time you use it. It's a good power. Also, the Paladin is a very versatile caster with high damage potential. If you're a Paladin and you aren't in first or second in points, you're doing something wrong.

At this point, it`s pretty obvious he is trolling.
Or he failed his reasoning with us and decided to turn his original post into trolling out of shame.

[upinya slayin]

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

This thread is kind of making Spectre X look like a joke.

I bet you guys spec out of Proximity Mine on the GI and don't use Overload on the TGI either.

and we still outperform people

weird, huh?

I don't really believe you to be honest. If you don't understand why Snap Freeze is a great power than I feel as if you really just don't understand the game.

How fast are your clear times on gold normally if you're not missiling?

I spec out of snap freeze on the AIU. its just not good for her. however i can't ever imagine skipping it on the paladin. I skip ED on him

[upinya slayin]

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

12:00 Am here. So... that means you are 7 hours ahead, huh? hmmmm... might have to wait a bit then.

I don't get off work til 6:00 PM, and home til around 7... which is 2:00 AM where you at... Might have to delay if necessary.

I want to see your 'A' game.

hmmm, i don't mind 2 - 3am. i'm a night owl, but i just got into a regular sleeping pattern. we'll figure it out

you future people (mainly you and twinkles lol) are are to get a game in with at times.

also this thread reminds me of one of my threads. attakcs and derailing FTW

[Pensrule1985]

But, but....geth scanner...

[DAN1EL86]

chipsandwich wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...


The Paladin, isn't a great kit to begin with

okay

Yeah, he lost me there too. 

[Anders028]

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[I_Hate_Genlocks]

 The Paladin is the only class that can prime and detonate every tech combo. It is not a bad class at all. In fact, I feel it is a little OP to be honest.

[Original Twigman]

staindgrey wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

When was the last time you saw a paladin and thought... "yeah... this guy will do real well."

Pretty much every single time I see one...?

Not to join the mob mentality here, but I'm not sure what you're on about, OP. Snap Freeze, by numbers, isn't the best debuff out there, but it's heavily spammable, stuns and instantly freezes and hits a large area each time you use it. It's a good power. Also, the Paladin is a very versatile caster with high damage potential. If you're a Paladin and you aren't in first or second in points, you're doing something wrong.

^^highly anecdotal. The paladin is not very strong when it comes to high damage potential. Being top in the score board most likely means you are playing with others who are using even less damaging kits or there is a big gap in the skill base.

At its lowest base (200% cooldown), you are talking about a power that can be used every 2.5 seconds. You can't detonate wtih Snap Freeze (as it will just blow up on you and not the enemy), so that rules you shooting + snap freeze for damage. Once you snap freeze, shoot a couple of times, then incinerate or energy drain, you have to wait another 2.5 seconds.

Thats a 5 second time gap where you are shooting + "spamming" powers. Both of these powers do A) little to no damage on there own (about 1000), then add 1,800 if on gold (1,900 if you feel good). Thats about 20% of a brute's health.... I hope you bring a bring a heavier gun.

[shadowkinz]

1) everyone does use the AIU

2) Paladin is not a bad kit

[your-friendly-noggin]

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

[Original Twigman]

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

[lightswitch]

_only1biggs_ wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I don't really believe you to be honest. If you don't understand why Snap Freeze is a great power than I feel as if you really just don't understand the game.

How fast are your clear times on gold normally if you're not missiling?

are you serious? he wouldn't be in spec x if he wasn't good enough. go away

Ohh, did I hit a soft spot? For all I know you're a bunch of scrubs who decided to form an 'exclusive' club just to stroke your own ego. You're not an actual institution; I doubt most players actually aspire to your ranks. If I were on xbox I certainly wouldn't.

I mean does anyone from Spectre X even hold any records that matter? Most of the big ones are held by PC players as far as I know.

ha! way too much to take apart there. your idiocy knows no bounds. fabulous

wait...you all actually DON'T hold any records, do you? I was just trolling lol

bwahahahaha what an 'elite' club

Modifié par lightswitch, 19 mars 2013 - 04:26 .

[your-friendly-noggin]

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

Well I don't know about you but being able to debuff/damage/set off tech primed targets with no risk of being hit and with very little mobility reduction is pretty damn good.

[Original Twigman]

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

Well I don't know about you but being able to debuff/damage/set off tech primed targets with no risk of being hit and with very little mobility reduction is pretty damn good.

it cant set off primed targets as it just blows up on him.... besides, recon mine does the above much, much better

[lightswitch]

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

Well I don't know about you but being able to debuff/damage/set off tech primed targets with no risk of being hit and with very little mobility reduction is pretty damn good.

it cant set off primed targets as it just blows up on him.... besides, recon mine does the above much, much better

Yeah, I love shooting Recon Mine through walls to prime targets. It's muh fav.

[Original Twigman]

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

your-friendly-noggin wrote...

Are you aware the snap freeze can go through walls?

Well I don't know about you but being able to debuff/damage/set off tech primed targets with no risk of being hit and with very little mobility reduction is pretty damn good.

it cant set off primed targets as it just blows up on him.... besides, recon mine does the above much, much better

Yeah, I love shooting Recon Mine through walls to prime targets. It's muh fav.

you dont have to shoot through a wall to debuff/damage/set off tech through a wall....<_<

[Sket]

lightswitch wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I don't really believe you to be honest. If you don't understand why Snap Freeze is a great power than I feel as if you really just don't understand the game.

How fast are your clear times on gold normally if you're not missiling?

are you serious? he wouldn't be in spec x if he wasn't good enough. go away

Ohh, did I hit a soft spot? For all I know you're a bunch of scrubs who decided to form an 'exclusive' club just to stroke your own ego. You're not an actual institution; I doubt most players actually aspire to your ranks. If I were on xbox I certainly wouldn't.

I mean does anyone from Spectre X even hold any records that matter? Most of the big ones are held by PC players as far as I know.

ha! way too much to take apart there. your idiocy knows no bounds. fabulous

wait...you all actually DON'T hold any records, do you? I was just trolling lol

bwahahahaha what an 'elite' club

I'm curious, what records are you referring to?

Modifié par Sketfish, 19 mars 2013 - 04:35 .

[MP-Ryan]

15 pages? Really?

Snap freeze isn't the greatest power, but throw any kit with it into a match with any reliable detonator (Vanguard, particularly Slayer/Novaguard) and the Snap Freeze user is pretty much guaranteed to be in the top 2.

I don't see a lot of Paladins around, but those I do tend to be pretty amazing at setting up cryo explosions. Snap Freeze is not in-and-of-itself a bad power. Now, Carnage on the other hand...

[Original Twigman]

Heri wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

When was the last time you saw a paladin and thought... "yeah... this guy will do real well."

Pretty much every single time I see one...?

Not to join the mob mentality here, but I'm not sure what you're on about, OP. Snap Freeze, by numbers, isn't the best debuff out there, but it's heavily spammable, stuns and instantly freezes and hits a large area each time you use it. It's a good power. Also, the Paladin is a very versatile caster with high damage potential. If you're a Paladin and you aren't in first or second in points, you're doing something wrong.

At this point, it`s pretty obvious he is trolling.
Or he failed his reasoning with us and decided to turn his original post into trolling out of shame.

Problem with the OP is that once he gets dumb opinions in his head (like this one, and the other one where he said repair matrix isn't OP at all), it's literally impossible to convince him otherwise. So all of you arguing with him in this thread are just wasting your time.

The world you are looking for is "intransigent." But perhaps I am too dumb to succintly summarize your entire paragraph in a single word without using ad hominems and providing no reasonable argument that counters the mediocrity of the power when not pitted with a consistent detonator.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Snap freeze is amazing as a detonator on the Paladin - to get the most from flame shield melee and incinerate combos it miles better than cryo blast. Sure, by itself it doesnt do much, but with the debuffs and the 100% combo damage it feels nice. I haven't looked at the numbers, I am sure its probably not the best, but its certainly one of the most fun kits to play if you want to spam tech explosions everywhere.

Plus he looks cool.

[DJMetaverse]

Original Stikman wrote...

Heri wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

When was the last time you saw a paladin and thought... "yeah... this guy will do real well."

Pretty much every single time I see one...?

Not to join the mob mentality here, but I'm not sure what you're on about, OP. Snap Freeze, by numbers, isn't the best debuff out there, but it's heavily spammable, stuns and instantly freezes and hits a large area each time you use it. It's a good power. Also, the Paladin is a very versatile caster with high damage potential. If you're a Paladin and you aren't in first or second in points, you're doing something wrong.

At this point, it`s pretty obvious he is trolling.
Or he failed his reasoning with us and decided to turn his original post into trolling out of shame.

Problem with the OP is that once he gets dumb opinions in his head (like this one, and the other one where he said repair matrix isn't OP at all), it's literally impossible to convince him otherwise. So all of you arguing with him in this thread are just wasting your time.

The world you are looking for is "intransigent." But perhaps I am too dumb to succintly summarize your entire paragraph in a single word without using ad hominems and providing no reasonable argument that counters the mediocrity of the power when not pitted with a consistent detonator.

I think the "WORD" you are looking for...is WORD..not WORLD

and stop trying to use big words that you don't understand. I mean seriously, trying to make yourself sound intelligent in a debate about a video game is almost as laughable as your original argument. Who cares if snap freeze is good or bad...if you don't like it, don't use it and if other people like it, good for them, it's their game.

You would think you're analyzing data from the LHC trying to discover the Higgs Boson. Give it a rest.

[lightswitch]

Original Stikman wrote...

At its lowest base (200% cooldown), you are talking about a power that can be used every 2.5 seconds. You can't detonate wtih Snap Freeze (as it will just blow up on you and not the enemy), so that rules you shooting + snap freeze for damage. Once you snap freeze, shoot a couple of times, then incinerate or energy drain, you have to wait another 2.5 seconds.

Thats a 5 second time gap where you are shooting + "spamming" powers. Both of these powers do A) little to no damage on there own (about 1000), then add 1,800 if on gold (1,900 if you feel good). Thats about 20% of a brute's health.... I hope you bring a bring a heavier gun.

Wait wait wait, I just saw this.

You're completely forgetting that Incinerate does double damage to chilled targets, and it already does almost 900 base to armor, so just by itself it does about 1800. Unless it only boosts the base value by 100% in which case it does just over 1500. I'll use that value to be conservative. But once you add the damage from the primer, the detonator, and the explosion, you're looking at 4300 damage to armor for the whole combo. But it's probably more like 4600 depending on how Freeze Combo works.

Assume a Wraith for a 141% CD and add the two cooldowns together, it's 5.78 sec. 4300/5.78=743.9. Sustained DPS of an RCed Wraith is 773.68, but you have to take into account weapons amp and such, so I won't got so far as to claim you've doubled your sustained DPS to armor by use of comboing alone; but blind estimate you've effectively increased it by over a third.

If you're running a 200% CD, you should be able to get almost 1000 DPS sustained to armor from powers alone.

Of course all this ignores the primers and explosions are AoE and hit multiple targets, and the 10% debuff to weapon damage while you're waiting for cooldowns; so in reality you'll quite likely be doing even much more damage than stated above.

Btw OP, good trolls stick to matters of opinion so they can never actually be proven wrong...0/10

Modifié par lightswitch, 19 mars 2013 - 05:03 .