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[RoZh2400]

Is this a troll post or...?

[Beerfish]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Snap freeze does most of its damage through cryo explosions. Without a detonator it loses half (or more) of its value, which is why I think it's a weaker choice on the AIU than full melee.

It's not all about damage though, the slow down effect is a very underrated part of all the cryo type abilites/ammo.

[Original Twigman]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Finally someone being honest and down to earth on BSN.

Expect an avalanche of ridicule to follow.

[Geek]

chefcook90 wrote...

doozerdude wrote...

Can't tell if serious...

... or trolling?

... or just plain crazy! Seriously, +100% combo damage!  You'd have to be some kind of crazy to pick the rank 6 armor debuff over that.

I believe Peddro tested that evolution and it is bugged. Always taked debuff at rank 6.

[Untonic]

I can't Paladin but it definitely not a bad kit. Not even bad at all.

I've seen wonders with this kit, it is the ultimate techplosion way of utilizing such potential from the explosions. Just because you can't play it doesn't mean it "sux".

[Original Twigman]

xtorma wrote...

All of this will become evident when the game gets posted.

The variable will be who is the better player.

We should take faux bets

I bet my cat's next hairball that the krosol wins.

Biggs and I are pretty even, as are most of the top 1%... its hard to tell at that point because the differences aren't quantifiable due to a poor scoring system.

It will be who plays the better kit...

[Original Twigman]

Untonic wrote...

I can't Paladin but it definitely not a bad kit. Not even bad at all.

I've seen wonders with this kit, it is the ultimate techplosion way of utilizing such potential from the explosions. Just because you can't play it doesn't mean it "sux".

i said snap freeze sux

I said paladin is not that great

[Pantalaimon]

He just wants attention.

Women, girls, back to our kitchens.

[lightswitch]

I have a hard time fathoming the notion you're a 'top 1%' player yet you think Snap Freeze sucks.

It just doesn't make sense.

[TheKillerAngel]

Beerfish wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Snap freeze does most of its damage through cryo explosions. Without a detonator it loses half (or more) of its value, which is why I think it's a weaker choice on the AIU than full melee.

It's not all about damage though, the slow down effect is a very underrated part of all the cryo type abilites/ammo.

In my experience the slow/weakening/freeze aren't very important. Why?

-Only unprotected targets with health can be frozen fully, also known as trash, or "dead in 2 seconds with a competent team."

-Slow is pretty meaningless unless it's stacked up to a high level (50% or more). The slow does not reduce the distance of enemies that leap/charge/teleport, or the things that need to be slowed down most.

-Armor weakening on powers generally doesn't make much of a difference if you know how to properly set up weapons. You either have near max armor negation or are using a weapon that doesn't benefit from it. If your weapon or ammo doesn't have some sort of piercing or weakening you're just doing it wrong. 

-The ability to pass through walls, in my opinion, is its biggest advantage, and the cryo explosions with 100% bonus damage are pretty powerful. However, as I said before, lacking a detonator substantially reduces the effectiveness of this skill.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 18 mars 2013 - 09:58 .

[Untonic]

Original Stikman wrote...

i said snap freeze sux

If you think DPS is everything, it's not. The debuff is worth it, so is the range and ability to go through walls.

Mass Effect is still a RPG, powers actually have another point than shoot-to-kill.

[Original Twigman]

Mendelevosa wrote...

You know, it seems like the OP's whole argument is: "I think one power is better than the other. Therefore, the lesser power sucks."

That's like saying "The Destroyer is better than the Vanilla Soldier. Therefore the Vanilla Human sucks." Whichever power you think is the best is irrelevant. You shouldn't call one power bad simply because you feel it isn't as strong as the others.

The point is its overhyped.

BSN wouldn't care if i said that vs. it sux.

[Lord Rosario]

Original Stikman wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

You know, it seems like the OP's whole argument is: "I think one power is better than the other. Therefore, the lesser power sucks."

That's like saying "The Destroyer is better than the Vanilla Soldier. Therefore the Vanilla Human sucks." Whichever power you think is the best is irrelevant. You shouldn't call one power bad simply because you feel it isn't as strong as the others.

The point is its overhyped.

BSN wouldn't care if i said that vs. it sux.

And so he admits all he wanted was a rise out of BSN

/thread

[IcarusAloft]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Snap Freeze Sux

What?

Original Stikman wrote...

The Paladin, isn't a great kit to begin with...

Stopped reading right there, all credibility in your post has been lost and thread should be airlocked.

QFT

[xtorma]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

You know, it seems like the OP's whole argument is: "I think one power is better than the other. Therefore, the lesser power sucks."

That's like saying "The Destroyer is better than the Vanilla Soldier. Therefore the Vanilla Human sucks." Whichever power you think is the best is irrelevant. You shouldn't call one power bad simply because you feel it isn't as strong as the others.

The point is its overhyped.

BSN wouldn't care if i said that vs. it sux.

And so he admits all he wanted was a rise out of BSN

He said it was hyperbole on the first page I believe. He just refuses to change "sux" to "over-rated"

Modifié par xtorma, 18 mars 2013 - 10:10 .

[Asebstos]

Geek Fest wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

doozerdude wrote...

Can't tell if serious...

... or trolling?

... or just plain crazy! Seriously, +100% combo damage!  You'd have to be some kind of crazy to pick the rank 6 armor debuff over that.

I believe Peddro tested that evolution and it is bugged. Always taked debuff at rank 6.

Its bugged in the sense that its always on.

[lightswitch]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Snap freeze does most of its damage through cryo explosions. Without a detonator it loses half (or more) of its value, which is why I think it's a weaker choice on the AIU than full melee.

If you're analyzing everything purely in terms of damage value you're best off skipping RM.

[TheKillerAngel]

lightswitch wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Snap freeze does most of its damage through cryo explosions. Without a detonator it loses half (or more) of its value, which is why I think it's a weaker choice on the AIU than full melee.

If you're analyzing everything purely in terms of damage value you're best off skipping RM.

Maybe, I think the ideal setup that would yield the highest results of perfectly played would be 6/5/3/6/6.

[Original Twigman]

xtorma wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

You know, it seems like the OP's whole argument is: "I think one power is better than the other. Therefore, the lesser power sucks."

That's like saying "The Destroyer is better than the Vanilla Soldier. Therefore the Vanilla Human sucks." Whichever power you think is the best is irrelevant. You shouldn't call one power bad simply because you feel it isn't as strong as the others.

The point is its overhyped.

BSN wouldn't care if i said that vs. it sux.

And so he admits all he wanted was a rise out of BSN

He said it was hyperbole on the first page I believe. He just refuses to change "sux" to "over-rated"

Seriously, i haven't attempted to mislead anyone.

And the posts about me "recanting" my statements are ludicrous.

I may concede to the fact that a 6+6 Snap freeze/overload will do 200 more damage than a 6+6 FE, but it doesn't mean much in terms of it being overhyped, because it still is considering the other factors: debuff pales in comparison to most other debuffs (warp, recon mine, proximity mine, tac scan, etc.), as does the damage and crowd control features... the whole "it goes through walls" as most of the of the Crowd control abilities do as well.

Snap freeze is pretty much the jack of all trades of debuffers, but master of none, just like the paladin, so the point that its "OP" doesn't make much sense

[Original Twigman]

_only1biggs_ wrote...

fabulous

for the vid, i'll be running a 0/6/6/6/6 build with a piranha or reegar (not sure yet). with the piranha, after you cast snap freeze, the time it takes to fire off your 6 shots is pretty much the exact cooldown period to then cast incinerate (unless using power recharge gear). reegar does insane damage too quickly to cast incinerate to get the icy explosions and i don't want to rely on weapon use to much...

just ran a couple of pug games with both weapons, both times scored in the 170-180k's. no rockets.

delicious

also, some people need to calm down and form cogent, rational thoughts before committing them in writing.

marvellous

I'll prolly be running a 64664 with a talon.  I will destroy your very genetic code to ensure you never are able to reproduce even a part of you on this earth again

[Original Twigman]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Snap freeze does most of its damage through cryo explosions. Without a detonator it loses half (or more) of its value, which is why I think it's a weaker choice on the AIU than full melee.

It's not all about damage though, the slow down effect is a very underrated part of all the cryo type abilites/ammo.

In my experience the slow/weakening/freeze aren't very important. Why?

-Only unprotected targets with health can be frozen fully, also known as trash, or "dead in 2 seconds with a competent team."

-Slow is pretty meaningless unless it's stacked up to a high level (50% or more). The slow does not reduce the distance of enemies that leap/charge/teleport, or the things that need to be slowed down most.

-Armor weakening on powers generally doesn't make much of a difference if you know how to properly set up weapons. You either have near max armor negation or are using a weapon that doesn't benefit from it. If your weapon or ammo doesn't have some sort of piercing or weakening you're just doing it wrong. 

-The ability to pass through walls, in my opinion, is its biggest advantage, and the cryo explosions with 100% bonus damage are pretty powerful. However, as I said before, lacking a detonator substantially reduces the effectiveness of this skill.

TheKillerAngel?

more like TheKillerFacts!!!

[Original Twigman]

lightswitch wrote...

I have a hard time fathoming the notion you're a 'top 1%' player yet you think Snap Freeze sucks.

It just doesn't make sense.

You don't have to understand it.

It just be what it do

[Original Twigman]

_only1biggs_ wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

fabulous

for the vid, i'll be running a 0/6/6/6/6 build with a piranha or reegar (not sure yet). with the piranha, after you cast snap freeze, the time it takes to fire off your 6 shots is pretty much the exact cooldown period to then cast incinerate (unless using power recharge gear). reegar does insane damage too quickly to cast incinerate to get the icy explosions and i don't want to rely on weapon use to much...

just ran a couple of pug games with both weapons, both times scored in the 170-180k's. no rockets.

delicious

also, some people need to calm down and form cogent, rational thoughts before committing them in writing.

marvellous

I'll prolly be running a 64664 with a talon.  I will destroy your very genetic code to ensure you never are able to reproduce even a part of you on this earth again

wait, you're using your fury right? make sure you clean that a*s up real nice, because it's going to belong to me. like i said earlier....

I would allow the text in, but i don't want a ban...but you understand