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[Dude_in_the_Room]

All I know is we'll bang. Ok?

[69_Gio_69]

It is so obvious. Control + Synthesis ending = Shepard changes in a husk. Synthesis = final stage of evolution. Reapers = pinacle of evolution. Do the math.

Modifié par 69_Gio_69, 19 mars 2013 - 12:50 .

[OdanUrr]

Drewton wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

And I hope I'm not berating the point I wanted to make earlier, but; I've noticed a few things are not being discussed around here so I thought I'd make a few outright procloamations.


1. Indoctrination theory is correct and the crucible isnt lying about a thing.

2. The crucible isn't invested in solving a organic/synthetic problem. He is intested in solving thrall problem. 

3. You were told what decision not to make from the first 30 minutes of the first game.

Here we go again. Again.

Agreed with OP though.

Actually it was a reference to the last line of the trailer for Scorcher VI.

[OdanUrr]

nrobbiec wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...
Indoctrination theory is correct

I'll probably store that link for posterity.

[M Hedonist]

69_Gio_69 wrote...

It is so obvious. Control + Synthesis ending = Shepard changes in a husk. Synthesis = final stage of evolution. Reapers = pinacle of evolution. Do the math.

No, Shepard becomes the great space dictator and everybody's happy forever, and Synthesis works out for everyone even though the Catalyst tells you it wouldn't.

[Franky Figgs]

Just listen the the starkids nonsense again with these thoughts in mind. He starts to make a whole lot of sense.

Modifié par Franky Figgs, 19 mars 2013 - 12:57 .

[DarkSpiral]

OdanUrr wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...
Indoctrination theory is correct

I'll probably store that link for posterity.

QFT.

[NeonFlux117]

Franky Figgs wrote...

3. The central conflict was to resist synthesis. That was your premonition on Eden Prime. The warnings continued throughout the series as well.

2. The crucible is a Leviathan AI. The Leviathan had a thrall problem largely due to the organic/synthetic conflict.

1. Indoctrination is when one finds the reasoning be willfully become a thrall.

nah dude, what your doing here is trying to promote common since and looking at the endings of ME3 from a practical standpoint as someone who as played the sereis and isn't a sheep. Your trying to engage in critical thinking but it's a waste. 

BSN doesn't want this type of thinking. go join the indoctrinatinon theory forum. Seriously. 


Here you go:



http://indoctrinatio...orumotion.co.uk

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 19 mars 2013 - 12:59 .

[draken-heart]

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

[Sundance31us]

draken-heart wrote...

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

Correct.

[Franky Figgs]

draken-heart wrote...

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

Or the point is to figure it out. Who's right?

[Applepie_Svk]

Franky Figgs wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

The crucible is a Leviathan AI. The Leviathan had a thrall problem largely due to the organic/synthetic conflict.

Agreed about IT, but I think the "AI" is Harbinger.

The crucible didn't lie about a single thing. It is a Leviathan AI controlling the Reapers. It takes it's cues from its creator - control.

Catalyst lied and deceive... 

For example Catalyst said that he believed that pattern for Crucible was eradicated cycles ago, while Vendetta disproved this with fact that Crucible was sabotaged from within by indoctrinated splinter group just last cycle.

Or he was also deceiving when he said that he is the Catalyst and Citadel is his home, while Vendetta said that Citadel is Catalyst and by using together with Crucible it releasing dark energies against a Reapers. One way or another there comes a disbelief from fact that either Leviathans or the Intelligence were messing with Crucible, if structure wasn´t created without their intervention.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 19 mars 2013 - 01:02 .

[Texhnolyze101]

cerberus1701 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I'm not missing anything it just sucks.

Or it might be brilliant

*patently sips water*

IT is trash so i doubt it.

It's not trash.

I never bought any of it, but there's more to support it than the notion that Control, Refuse, or Synthesis are any good.

IT is trash endings included.

[OdanUrr]

Franky Figgs wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

Or the point is to figure it out. Who's right?

I'd venture a guess that the people who argued vehemently after launch that Bioware would "reveal the truth" a week later were probably not on the right track.

[NeonFlux117]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I'm not missing anything it just sucks.

Or it might be brilliant

*patently sips water*

IT is trash so i doubt it.

It's not trash.

I never bought any of it, but there's more to support it than the notion that Control, Refuse, or Synthesis are any good.

IT is trash endings included.

BSN at it's finest. 

[Franky Figgs]

Sejborg wrote...

If the crucible is talking to you, then you are probably experiencing a bug.

Sorry, that must have been confusing. I meant to say "catalysis" where I wrote "crucible"
I've edited for clarity.

[Franky Figgs]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

The crucible is a Leviathan AI. The Leviathan had a thrall problem largely due to the organic/synthetic conflict.

Agreed about IT, but I think the "AI" is Harbinger.

The crucible didn't lie about a single thing. It is a Leviathan AI controlling the Reapers. It takes it's cues from its creator - control.

Catalyst lied and deceive...

For example Catalyst said that he believed that pattern for Crucible was eradicated cycles ago, while Vendetta disproved this with fact that Crucible was sabotaged from within by indoctrinated splinter group just last cycle.

Or he was also deceiving when he said that he is the Catalyst and Citadel is his home, while Vendetta said that Citadel is Catalyst and by using together with Crucible it releasing dark energies against a Reapers. One way or another there comes a disbelief from fact that either Leviathans or the Intelligence were messing with Crucible, if structure wasn´t created without their intervention.

I admit I don't have a good understanding on the crucible's existence. That's an open book as far as I can tell so far.

[NeonFlux117]

Franky Figgs wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

The crucible is a Leviathan AI. The Leviathan had a thrall problem largely due to the organic/synthetic conflict.

Agreed about IT, but I think the "AI" is Harbinger.

The crucible didn't lie about a single thing. It is a Leviathan AI controlling the Reapers. It takes it's cues from its creator - control.

Catalyst lied and deceive...

For example Catalyst said that he believed that pattern for Crucible was eradicated cycles ago, while Vendetta disproved this with fact that Crucible was sabotaged from within by indoctrinated splinter group just last cycle.

Or he was also deceiving when he said that he is the Catalyst and Citadel is his home, while Vendetta said that Citadel is Catalyst and by using together with Crucible it releasing dark energies against a Reapers. One way or another there comes a disbelief from fact that either Leviathans or the Intelligence were messing with Crucible, if structure wasn´t created without their intervention.

I admit I don't have a good understanding on the crucible's existence. That's an open book as far as I can tell so far.

The catalyst is a reaper. In fact it's the first reaper. It reaped up the leviathans. It speaks with 'us' and 'we' when speaking of the reapers. It dicsourages Shepard to pick destory. It encourages synthesis. When Shepard states about TIM and control- "So the illusive man was right". The catalyst say's "yes, but he could not control cause we controled him". Haha, but TIM controls Shepard at the citadel control pannel, lol. So who's really in control. 

The catalyst is a reaper overlord and wants self preservation for his reaper buddies.
What ending choices do the reapers live and shep dies? 
What ending choice do the reapers die and shep survives?

The answers to these questions are all you need to know about the endings. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 19 mars 2013 - 01:23 .

[Nykara]

Franky Figgs wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

Or the point is to figure it out. Who's right?

That's more my line of thinking. See who can figure it out.

[Applepie_Svk]

Franky Figgs wrote...


I admit I don't have a good understanding on the crucible's existence. That's an open book as far as I can tell so far.

Both Leviathans and Catalyst are sapient, sentient and can use deception, fallacy and mindcontrol.

Vendetta is the VI and only storage of information which might be wrong, but cannot lie

By my trust standarts:

Vendetta > Leviathans + Catalyst

[Hadeedak]

My opinions are better than yours, the thread.

[Nykara]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...


I admit I don't have a good understanding on the crucible's existence. That's an open book as far as I can tell so far.

Both Leviathans and Catalyst are sapient, sentient and can use deception, fallacy and mindcontrol.

Vendetta is the VI and only storage of information which might be wrong, but cannot lie

By my trust standarts:

Vendetta > Leviathans + Catalyst

Other then the fact that there is one thing here being missed entirely and that is the Crucible which was deisgned by alll of the previous races to CHANGE the catalyst to do what they wanted it to do. Stop the Reapers. My question is this:

Was the first two options always there? Control and Synthesis and the Crucible simply added the destroy option ONLY or did the crucible in fact add ALL of the options.

If it was the first one then control and synthesis could in fact still be a lie, and indoctrination or whatever. A way for the Reapers to win this cycle in any case.

If it was the second one then all options should in fact be correct, and simply a choice as to which Shepard thinks would be the best option to take for the cycle they are in.

The cruicible did change the catalyst that much is pretty obvious, but by how much? All choices or just one?

[Franky Figgs]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I'm not missing anything it just sucks.

Or it might be brilliant

*patently sips water*

IT is trash so i doubt it.

It's not trash.

I never bought any of it, but there's more to support it than the notion that Control, Refuse, or Synthesis are any good.

IT is trash endings included.

If you were connected to a Leviathan would that not make you a thrall.
-Thralls are Leviathan limbs. Losing them is a real threat to them.

If everyone was connected to everything, including a Leviathan AI,  wouldn't a problem solving AI finally finish its goal of fixing a thrall problem.
-Wouldn't the thralls love too. It's not like they could know better.

If you found the reason to do this and not resist, congrats. THE AI TELLS YOU IT CAN NOT BE FORCED.
And you know what happens if you don't except it willingly. You saw it on Feros - useless thrall. You know what happens if you don't believe the reasoning with commitment like Saren and TIM failed to - self termination.

If you want to hook up with a Leviathan AI which both it and it's creator have a distinct reputation of using thralls, you are a very very successful indoctrination.
But I guess its okay if you want to keep your original form. The catalysis says it found a way for you to do that with the crucible.

Modifié par Franky Figgs, 19 mars 2013 - 04:49 .

[BronzTrooper]

Michotic wrote...

*Grabs popcorn and a seat.*

* Sits in next seat over with box of Milk Duds *

This ought to be good.  :happy:

[draken-heart]

Nykara wrote...

Franky Figgs wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

The point is that you are supposed to make up your own point/opinion of the ending.

Or the point is to figure it out. Who's right?

That's more my line of thinking. See who can figure it out.

It is better to have no point and leave it to be made by the player.