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Shepard could come back in the Control Ending


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 So I just completed a 3-game story arc of a new shepard character in anticipation of the Citadel DLC. I had an idea that sparked into my brain during the ending that I hadn't thought of before, so I hope you'll indulge me.

I chose the Control ending because I respected the synthetic lifeforms you encounter throughout your journey, and  I didn't want to come all that way, brokering peace and talking about free-will and individuality  just to either a) destroy their species and anyone with a pacemaker, nor did I want to commit genetic rape with B) the synthesis ending. So I went with control because I am not wicked, I did not choose the easy path like Illusive Man, I fought for my beliefs and had the willpower to resist indoctrination, and I have the capacity to put the Reapers right.

What I realized though, was that with Shepard melding his consciousness with the Catalyst, becoming near omni-potent, he likely absorbed all that the Reapers knew; all that the countless races they harvested knew. Coming with that knowledge, would likely be the Reaper's unsurpassed understanding of organic life; how to genetically engineer life, how to control life, how to create life. Although most of what they have created has been nightmarish fusions of synthetic and organic life, the Collectors are an example of a mostly preserved organic lifeform, only modified for obedience.

Given that knowledge, isn't it possible that Shepard could recreate his body? His dna is even probably already on file when it got absorbed into the crucible/catalyst. He could remake himself, with the memories he had, and come back to his friends and loved ones. I suppose you could argue that this is no longer the Shepard we once knew, since he merged with the catalyst, but the ending dialogue in the Extended Cut suggests that he still remembers who he onces was. If he came back, he would likely be similar to the character Dr. Manhattan in the comic Watchmen; an omni-potent human thats out of touch with others because his powers are so vast. But the Reaper-Shep could also make his body with the memories up to the point where he took control, essentially creating two shepards: the existing Reaper-Shep and a recreation with his human memories downloaded into, disconnected from his god-powers. (This really wouldn't be much different than when Cerberus brought him back from the dead, depending on your beliefs on what actually occured to his body and soul during that event)

I can find peace with this conclusion since control is already a pretty good ending. It spares the Geth and other synthetics, who were mostly victims. Although the Reapers would still be out there, many would want to see blood spilled for the blood lost as Javik put it, I think many would be relieved just to see them gone. And with Shepard's judgement and guidance, they could prevent future warfare between synthetics and organics, or from unknowns from outside the galaxy. And above all, Shepard could come back.

Let me know what you guys think. I apologize if this has been discussed before, it was hard to search for it in topics, and this forum became such a s**t storm after awhile, with the same anger and hate circulating, I had to leave it for a long time. Oh, and for all the femsheps out there, sorry for referring to Shepard as a "he" in this post.^_^

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From what the Catalyst said, Shepard is dead. The AI/VI Construct has access to Shepard's memories, but it's not Shepard.

We can see what happens with a Clone Shepard.

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That depends.

Does this new body have a jetpack?

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I suddenly got the mental image of a Sheperd Reaper, lol


What would Shepard's LI say to that...

Modifié par SinerAthin, 19 mars 2013 - 03:13 .


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Well it could be possible I doubt the Shepalyst would have any reason to. It has its mandate, recreating Shepard serves no real purpose. 

What would Shepard's LI say to that...


Just more of Shepard to love obviously. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 19 mars 2013 - 03:15 .


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He could, maybe but would it even be Shepard? Take a look at clone Shepard, you could argue that it will have the memories of the original Shep unlike CloneShep but would it be enough? Plus being the ReaperShep he is, would he try to upgrade a re-creation? Thus yet again would it be Shepard?

Also why on earth would ReaperShep want to re-create original Shep? I don't believe it would feel the need to do so for the squad+LI as it wouldn't feel the same attachment to them.

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Michotic wrote...

From what the Catalyst said, Shepard is dead. The AI/VI Construct has access to Shepard's memories, but it's not Shepard.

We can see what happens with a Clone Shepard.


Not true. When pressed in the Extended Cut, the Catalyst reveals that Shepard's corporeal form is absorbed, but that his consciousness remains, and fuses with the Catalyst. His body is destroyed, but not his soul. In the aftermath when the Reaper consciousness speaks, it appears Shepard's mind has to some extent overwritten the Catalyst, and still has his memories although he is obviously no longer the same since he is near omni-potent. As for the Clone Shepard thing, the Clone says himself that he does not have Shepard's memories, thats what divides the two. I'm talking about the possibility that the Reaper-Shep could recreate his body and upload his memories as they were into it.

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yeah i was thinking something like this. after the control ending i state in my headcanon the dlcs take place after the ending. yeah it makes no sense, but i'm having fun with the idea.

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Well it could be possible I doubt the Shepalyst would have any reason to. It has its mandate, recreating Shepard serves no real purpose.

Neither would looking over Shepard's friends in particular either, or remembering who perished, and yet CatalystShepard does it anyway.

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Icophesis wrote...

Michotic wrote...

From what the Catalyst said, Shepard is dead. The AI/VI Construct has access to Shepard's memories, but it's not Shepard.

We can see what happens with a Clone Shepard.


Not true. When pressed in the Extended Cut, the Catalyst reveals that Shepard's corporeal form is absorbed, but that his consciousness remains, and fuses with the Catalyst. His body is destroyed, but not his soul. In the aftermath when the Reaper consciousness speaks, it appears Shepard's mind has to some extent overwritten the Catalyst, and still has his memories although he is obviously no longer the same since he is near omni-potent. As for the Clone Shepard thing, the Clone says himself that he does not have Shepard's memories, thats what divides the two. I'm talking about the possibility that the Reaper-Shep could recreate his body and upload his memories as they were into it.


It is a completely different entity than Shepard, it just holds all of Shepards beliefs and memories. Shepard is gone. 

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HJF4 wrote...

Well it could be possible I doubt the Shepalyst would have any reason to. It has its mandate, recreating Shepard serves no real purpose.

Neither would looking over Shepard's friends in particular either, or remembering who perished, and yet CatalystShepard does it anyway.


The Shepalysts Mandate is to protect and watch over organic life, because it has Shepards memories it is partial to the people that Shepard knew and the people who died. These memories are essential to keeping the new Shepalyst in line so another cycle is not created as a solution. 

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Yeah, I suppose that's possible.

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Too contrived...

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The Shepalysts Mandate is to protect and watch over organic life, because it has Shepards memories it is partial to the people that Shepard knew and the people who died. These memories are essential to keeping the new Shepalyst in line so another cycle is not created as a solution.

So in that partiality, it is not inconceivable that Shepalyst would want to create a platform of some sort to interact with friends for the sake of their happiness and/or safety.

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he might be able to "take direct control" of certain monstrosities?

i think it would be more plausible that part of his ai loads to a platform like EDI. seems simple really.

edit:  question is, would your LI be okay with a Dr Eva body?  it fooled others pretty well.  also, the personality approximation the AI is gonna have to pull off to act like Shepard.  maybe not so simple :), but seems the best possible outcome for Control ending headcanon.

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HJF4 wrote...

The Shepalysts Mandate is to protect and watch over organic life, because it has Shepards memories it is partial to the people that Shepard knew and the people who died. These memories are essential to keeping the new Shepalyst in line so another cycle is not created as a solution.

So in that partiality, it is not inconceivable that Shepalyst would want to create a platform of some sort to interact with friends for the sake of their happiness and/or safety.


It has lost its connection to them. Nothing in its mandate would suggest it needs to interact with organics in order to fulfill its purpose. It does not have human emotion, but at the same time it is guided by the beliefs of something that had said emotions. It probably does not understand these emotions but it feels compelled to adhere to them. 

That doesn't mean it wants to upload itself into a body and commune with them. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 19 mars 2013 - 03:30 .


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Remember, the Reapers were powerful, but that didn't stop them from being disinterested from organic affairs. Watching them and protecting them/preserving them was their sole purpose. They needed to commune with us on our level from time to time, which is why Harbinger would assume direct control. This desire would only be amplified with Shepard's consciousness. I'm just saying, its possible, trying to give you folk some hope :)

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Nope.

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Eterna5 wrote...

Just more of Shepard to love obviously. 


More. As in a thousand metric tonnes of cold, black steel that gives your brain a gentle massage whenever you touch it... :P

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SinerAthin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Just more of Shepard to love obviously. 


More. As in a thousand metric tonnes of cold, black steel that gives your brain a gentle massage whenever you touch it... :P



Beneath that cold black steel is a warm loving heart! Don't judge books by their covers. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 19 mars 2013 - 03:32 .


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Shepard is dead, that the Normandy crew places his/her name on the cenotaph is all the indication you need regarding the finality of that.

All the sort of loopholes that people headcanon into Control give me the impression that they want to not only completely invalidate the worth of the other endings but blow them out of the water.

Shepard's alive like in Destroy, except in a new, all-powerful immortal body! The Reapers are under control, no need to worry about Leviathans or synthetic-organic conflict whatsoever! We've now got advanced technology and knowledge, but no need to impose a fundamental alteration to anyone in the galaxy! Ugh.

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Eterna5 wrote...

Beneath that cold black steel is a warm loving heart! Don't judge books by their covers. 


Heh, maybe Garrus or whomsoever Shep's LI is wanted a bigger shep, maybe they should simply ask her to go with that growth program instead?

At least soft skin > black metal of doom, no? xD

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SinerAthin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Beneath that cold black steel is a warm loving heart! Don't judge books by their covers. 


Heh, maybe Garrus or whomsoever Shep's LI is wanted a bigger shep, maybe they should simply ask her to go with that growth program instead?

At least soft skin > black metal of doom, no? xD


that or someone watches too much japanese [insert] :sick:

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ghost9191 wrote...

that or someone watches too much japanese [insert] :sick:


The Japaneese have stuff about Reapers now?! :mellow:

... not sure if I want to know...

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Eterna5 wrote...

It is a completely different entity than Shepard, it just holds all of Shepards beliefs and memories. Shepard is gone. 

What distinguishes Shepard from all of Shepard's beliefs and memories?