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[SinerAthin]

Hey there.

So I felt like opening a small thread to ask a simply question: How strong are the Reaper upgrades that Cerberus troopers are issued with by TIM?
By reading reports, both from TIM's scientists and other, you get the impression that the Reaper upgrades are pretty god-damn amazing. That they can turn a scared 16y old kid into a super-elite soldier without fear, pain or remorse, with strength, reaction speed and physical prowess that far exceeds that of a normal human.

But in the game; Cerberus are a pretty cannon fodder faction, their troops being very easy to dispose of, and in the cutscenes; they are outright retarded, completey unable to shoot an elephant walking five meters ahead of them, make tactical mistakes that belong in basic training etc.


So obviously, we get two completely different images of the Cerberus troopers. On one hand, you'd think they'd be the best soldiers in the galaxy next to Sheperd, but on the other hand; they make Stalin's conscripts look pro.

Are Reaper implants just overrated or do the Cerberus troopers just suffer from the "Stormtrooper syndrome" from Star Wars?

Modifié par SinerAthin, 19 mars 2013 - 03:27 .

[Texhnolyze101]

SinerAthin wrote...

Hey there.

So I felt like opening a small thread to ask a simply question: How strong are the Reaper upgrades that Cerberus troopers are issued with by TIM?
By reading reports, both from TIM's scientists and other, you get the impression that the Reaper upgrades are pretty god-damn amazing. That they can turn a scared 16y old kid into a super-elite soldier without fear, pain or remorse, with strength, reaction speed and physical prowess that far exceeds that of a normal human.

But in the game; Cerberus are a pretty cannon fodder faction, their troops being very easy to dispose of, and in the cutscenes; they are outright retarded, completey unable to shoot an elephant walking five meters ahead of them, make tactical mistakes that belong in basic training etc.


So obviously, we get two completely different images of the Cerberus troopers. On one hand, you'd think they'd be the best soldiers in the galaxy next to Sheperd, but on the other hand; they make Stalin's conscripts look pro.

Are Reaper implants just overrated or do the Cerberus troopers just suffer from the "Stormtrooper syndrome" from Star Wars?

Thats because they are fighting shepard and shep is the ultimate warrior.

[NeonFlux117]

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

[TJBartlemus]

I attribute it to Halo Syndrome instead of Stormtrooper Syndrome. In the lore of Halo Elites are supposed to be the best of the best and are a close match to Spartans. However in game, they become cannon fodder much like in ME3.

So the Cerberus troops are indeed good, but in comparison to Shepard...well you know...much less skilled.

[Texhnolyze101]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

[SinerAthin]

I just think of all the wonky cutscenes in Mass Effect 3 where the villains suddenly can't shoot for crap ^^

I suppose I should blame the editing team...

[NeonFlux117]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

Well yeah, Shep is shep. You don't f*ck with THE Shepard. it's a loose, loose situation. Even Geralt of Rivia, Master Chief and Solid Snake would hesitate significantly before fighting shep. Well, maybe not Solid Snake, he'd probably just merk Shep up pretty quick. ;)

[Dr. Megaverse]

What about the troops that just disappear after the coup fails? Did Shep go through the ENTIRE Presidium driving them back?

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 19 mars 2013 - 03:58 .

[FelixFelice]

They actually are not missing Shepard. Shepard is just impervious to bullets hence why Harbinger had to come down himself to mortally wound you with a blast himself.

[tevix]

@FelixFelice

Harbinger: *Bzzzt!* That's what I think of you're plot armor.

Shepard: Ow....

Harbinger: F----- health gate.

[tevix]

your*

[EnvyTB075]

One of the issues with the game, the inconsistencies between Codex, gameplay and cutscenes. Codex says they're amazing, gameplay puts them at worse than your average Blue Suns merc and cutscenes show them as unable to hit a single target standing in the open with zero cover fire and basic cover. All 20 + an Atlas of them.

Biotic Pirates in ME1 are a better fighting force than Cerberus.


edit: Same for Shepard. In game you can sprint forever and roll forever, and then when a cutscene appears shes suddenly an actual soldier for a moment and isn't jumping around like a gymnast.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 19 mars 2013 - 04:26 .

[David7204]

Shepard is supposed to be getting stronger with each game. That's why they're as easy to kill as mooks in ME 1.

[WarGriffin]

Shepard was for the most part an elite soldier in one

once Rebuilt, Shepard is basically the equivalent of small battlecrusier due to all the implants

Shepard's not Chief level -yet- Since Chief can you know lift tanks and survive rentry.
the major incosistency is when fighting an enemy of supposely equal standing.

Leng is writen like a loser-and a moron- even though the Codex pretty much states his Thane with Shepard's upgrades... after which you just let a sick thane get the better of him kinda sends mixed messages- Then again Leng is the classic villian writing folly of take our word for it he is a threat... We're not gonna prove it just beleive it!

The Squad alone is always apparently equal to an entire army. Hell they lampshade it Citadel on how out classed the Cat6 guys are

**** Arrival is pretty much Shepard > Elite Company of Marines and Staff on hand.

 lets be honest
This scene pretty much sums up the uneven writing of ME3
Note this happens just after The Tuchanka conclusion


Can you see the problem here

Modifié par WarGriffin, 19 mars 2013 - 04:47 .

[David7204]

There are about a half dozen things wrong with that post.

Modifié par David7204, 19 mars 2013 - 04:50 .

[SinerAthin]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

One of the issues with the game, the inconsistencies between Codex, gameplay and cutscenes. Codex says they're amazing, gameplay puts them at worse than your average Blue Suns merc and cutscenes show them as unable to hit a single target standing in the open with zero cover fire and basic cover. All 20 + an Atlas of them.

Biotic Pirates in ME1 are a better fighting force than Cerberus.


edit: Same for Shepard. In game you can sprint forever and roll forever, and then when a cutscene appears shes suddenly an actual soldier for a moment and isn't jumping around like a gymnast.

haha

Actually, this reminds me of a video I saw on Youtube:

[Bill Casey]

Depends on the difficulty setting...

[Nykara]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

Well yeah, Shep is shep. You don't f*ck with THE Shepard. it's a loose, loose situation. Even Geralt of Rivia, Master Chief and Solid Snake would hesitate significantly before fighting shep. Well, maybe not Solid Snake, he'd probably just merk Shep up pretty quick. ;)

Thats probably WHY cerberus needed husk troops to tell you the truth because if I was a real person and saw Shep armed and heading my way I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking around to fight

[L_B_123]

This explains a certain amount but wouldn't Cerburus destroy your teammates- none of which are on shepards level- only garrus and javik run him close for soldier ability.

[NeonFlux117]

Nykara wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

Well yeah, Shep is shep. You don't f*ck with THE Shepard. it's a loose, loose situation. Even Geralt of Rivia, Master Chief and Solid Snake would hesitate significantly before fighting shep. Well, maybe not Solid Snake, he'd probably just merk Shep up pretty quick. ;)

Thats probably WHY cerberus needed husk troops to tell you the truth because if I was a real person and saw Shep armed and heading my way I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking around to fight

Imagine coming face to face with a vanguard shep armed with a N7 pirahna or Infiltrator shep with a black widow. No thanks. Check please. 

[Fixers0]

That whole partially husk, Reaper implant supersoldier thing never really made sense to me, add to that the fact that the supposedly indoctrinated and controlled by TIM, and i think we've got yet another contrived, convoluted and broken plot point.

[Nykara]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nykara wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

Well yeah, Shep is shep. You don't f*ck with THE Shepard. it's a loose, loose situation. Even Geralt of Rivia, Master Chief and Solid Snake would hesitate significantly before fighting shep. Well, maybe not Solid Snake, he'd probably just merk Shep up pretty quick. ;)

Thats probably WHY cerberus needed husk troops to tell you the truth because if I was a real person and saw Shep armed and heading my way I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking around to fight

Imagine coming face to face with a vanguard shep armed with a N7 pirahna or Infiltrator shep with a black widow. No thanks. Check please. 

I know right! I couldn't understand how so many people stuck around to fight Shepard by the end of ME1 and in ME2 ... I sure as hell wouldn't have! It was l like an instant death sentence.

[NeonFlux117]

Nykara wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nykara wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Tremendous. Cerberus shock troops out perform Alliance troops in every category. Then you factor in phantom class upgrades- which along with Nemesis tech, the alliance has no idea about. Cerberus is the best equipped/trained/augmented infantry in the galaxy by the time ME3 rolls around- and I include Geth post reaper upgrades as well.

^ This. The real problem is that they go up against shep who is superior in every way possible

Well yeah, Shep is shep. You don't f*ck with THE Shepard. it's a loose, loose situation. Even Geralt of Rivia, Master Chief and Solid Snake would hesitate significantly before fighting shep. Well, maybe not Solid Snake, he'd probably just merk Shep up pretty quick. ;)

Thats probably WHY cerberus needed husk troops to tell you the truth because if I was a real person and saw Shep armed and heading my way I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking around to fight

Imagine coming face to face with a vanguard shep armed with a N7 pirahna or Infiltrator shep with a black widow. No thanks. Check please. 

I know right! I couldn't understand how so many people stuck around to fight Shepard by the end of ME1 and in ME2 ... I sure as hell wouldn't have! It was l like an instant death sentence.

Shep owns all. ALL.

[Astartes Marine]

I'd say the Reaper upgrades are vastly overrated.  I'm playing through on Insanity right now and even then Cerberus troops are complete pushovers. 

One of the biggest problems I see is their loadouts. 
Assault Troopers have SMGs?  Should have Assault Rifles like in most cutscenes...
Centurions have the Mattock, that's fine as they are "specialist troops".
Nemesis has the Raptor, should have the Widow.  Also they are few and far between.
Guardian has a simple metal shield and is slow as molasses in winter.
Phantom is alright.
Atlas is slow and cumbersome compared to the YMIR mechs of ME2.  If they were as well armed and protected as the YMIR they'd be far more threatening.

The Cat6 forces from Ciadel are better, their equivalent to Guardians were loaded out with Omni shields, armor protection, and Revenants while the Snipers used TacCloak, smoke grenades and ignored player gates.  Their troopers also had Sabers and Spitfires in some of the cutscenes but I'm not sure if that was the same in gameplay or not. 

[Kabooooom]

They're real good bro. Real good.