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[EdAndEinBebop]

what does that have to do with people with high level URs doing bad in gold cause they never learned hwo to play while farming?

what makes you think that they are bad because they were farming to get those high lvl URs?

[Zero132132]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

what does that have to do with people with high level URs doing bad in gold cause they never learned hwo to play while farming?

what makes you think that they are bad because they were farming to get those high lvl URs?

If they weren't bad, they wouldn't have to farm for high level URs, or they would use more efficient methods (Platinum speedfarming) than camping.

[Neo_Yggdrasill]

Chealec wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Camping is good for only two things, getting you flanked and getting you overrun... neither of which are good things - therefore, don't camp.

Not if you have the DPS!

There's never enough DPS on Gold Reapers or Collectors to put the Banshees/Praetorians down fast enough to hold one position for the whole game ... well, unless you've got a Juggy holding the mob up maybe.

On platinum it's probably suicide no matter the enemy.

Far better, in my experience, to stay mobile.

Not true. Today I got into a lobby with two Geth Infiltrators and a Drell Assassin Infiltrator. I was playing as Turian Ghost. Match was FBW/Reapers/Platinum. As it started, all of my teammates ran to the position behind the old farming counters, so I followed. The combined DPS was so immense that Banshees sometimes went down in no more than 2 seconds. Without spawn nuking and communication the mach lasted slightly longer than 20 minutes, second fastest Platinum PUG i was ever part of. In order to get such a flawless game (got 5 waves survived and I believe no Sync Kills) you still need some of the experience you get from the run and gun attitude.
But yeah, it was kind of boring.

Even easier but somewhat funnier was a platinum PUG shortly after the release of Reckoning (before RM nerf). Three Juggernauts grabbing and blocking all sync-killers in the building and me just running around with the AIU and killing everything. Whereas my playstyle was basically run and gun, it was overall a camping strategy as I took advantage of them distracting those annoying sync killers and most of the enemies went after them.

I think camping is valid, I don't do it on gold or lower difficulties. However, it also furthers a bad playstyle when done successfully. Since Lodestar I've experienced a heavy increase in Giant/Platinum lobbies which involve camping at the LZ. Two experienced players with high DPS kits are more than enough to carry them through, but things get ugly if one of these players looses connection. Happened to me once, no one joined for the remainder of the match and I had to solo most of waves 4, 7, 8 and 9, nuking the targets at wave 10 while the other two stayed at the LZ. (It's a shame those stupid sync killers still prevent me from getting a successful platinum solo). After the match, we instantly got another squad mate, an N7<100 with no gear and so on. All of them readied up, thinking 'hey, the match lasted 45 minutes, but we got it done, so the strategy works'. I left of course.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

what does that have to do with people with high level URs doing bad in gold cause they never learned hwo to play while farming?

what makes you think that they are bad because they were farming to get those high lvl URs?

Because high level URs don't make you a good player.

And good players don't have to farm to get high level Ultra Rares.

[M920CAIN]

I always hold a position, then I move and hold another position, then I move some more and hold another position, then I mov.. wait? haven't I been at this position?

[Parallax Demon]

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

[TheShadyEngineer]

Zero132132 wrote...

hostaman wrote...

Don't believe the BS.

Holding a position is not camping.  It's a legitimate game plan.  Works very well when you have a mix of snipers and Jugs, especially on maps like Reactor, Giant, Ghost and Dagger.

I like to play this way sometimes, but I also enjoy run-and-gun. Just enjoy the variety.

Play however you want, an ignore those who try to tell you how to play.

You sure about that bolded bit? Because it sort of seems like that's literally the definition of camping. If camping isn't holding a position, what exactly is camping?

Not necessarily. Camping is staying in the same position for the entire game e.g the rio box of shame. Holding a position type of gameplay involves occupying a fortified position until it becomes too much in which case you retreat, regroup and reogrganize a new fortified position.

Good tactic when low on consumables or just tired of the traditional run n' gun.

[Zero132132]

Parallax Demon wrote...

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

Can you please provide some vague justification for this statement? I've seen teams of campers trying to run and gun, and they fail. I've seen teams of aggressive players camping, and they have no trouble with it. Based on personal experience, what you're saying is false.

[ZiRK]

Cause camping is for people with bad aim and no awareness. And its boring as ****, on PC youre sitting there using the space bar and clicking a mouse button, you might aswell be playing ms paint.

[Dunvi]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

damn this girl is way too confused for this thread. i'll leave all you manly epeen strokers to it, i gotta go have fun.

just because I believe in equality doesnt mean I am a woman...
If you read some of the replies in here about how shameful and dishonorable it is to camp in a game make you wonder if they also think if camping make them feel less manly.

lol

someone doesn't read signatures

Modifié par Dunvi, 19 mars 2013 - 10:17 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

Cause camping is for people with bad aim and no awareness.

Not necessarily, but I guess that point's already been made a bunch of times.

[upinya slayin]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

what does that have to do with people with high level URs doing bad in gold cause they never learned hwo to play while farming?

what makes you think that they are bad because they were farming to get those high lvl URs?

other then alot of real life money how else could they have gotten them?

[Moby]

Chealec wrote...

There's never enough DPS on Gold Reapers or Collectors to put the Banshees/Praetorians down fast enough to hold one position for the whole game

I hope you're joking or trolling.

[upinya slayin]

Zero132132 wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

Can you please provide some vague justification for this statement? I've seen teams of campers trying to run and gun, and they fail. I've seen teams of aggressive players camping, and they have no trouble with it. Based on personal experience, what you're saying is false.

its still camping. the only thing your missing is smore's and tents

[EdAndEinBebop]

[quote]Zero132132 wrote...
Any other alternatives? Thinking that
hiding in a box is cheap and boring doesn't mean that every single
alternative to some specific playstyle is lame. Spawn nuking is a
strategy. Sticking together as a team and running some biotic death
squad **** is a strategy. Everyone long-wolfing it all match is a
strategy (kind of, anyway).

None of these are looked down upon
(usually), and there are plenty unlisted ones that aren't derided at
all. It isn't like there's one exact way to play that everyone embraces.
There are just a few that people look down on. I'm quite certain that
you do the same.

And quit using the term 'elite' that way. I'm
about average, as far as BSN goes, so you don't have to be elite to
think that hiding in a box sucks.
[/quote]

[quote]EdAndEinBebop wrote...

I would like to see how good some of you high and mighty elite missile run players really are but then again I would never play with people who think their way of doing things is the best and any other alternatives are lame.

Modifié par EdAndEinBebop, 19 mars 2013 - 10:40 .

[Zero132132]

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

Can you please provide some vague justification for this statement? I've seen teams of campers trying to run and gun, and they fail. I've seen teams of aggressive players camping, and they have no trouble with it. Based on personal experience, what you're saying is false.

its still camping. the only thing your missing is smore's and tents

Alright, full confession, I'm generally bad at Platinum without s'mores and tents, which is how I know that camping is the easier strategy. I mean, it isn't "stick to one counter or room the entire match!" like it is with some PUGs, but I definitely have trouble if I try to be too aggressive.

[masleslie]

The reality is a LOT of players only care about score. The quicker you find enemies the better you are likely to score. Although I don't tend to do it myself I have no problem with camping, to be honest it makes a nice change of pace. Sometimes games get so competitive all 4 players come running into the room from different directions at the end of a wave they are so determined to bag the last bad guy.

A happy medium would be nice. Unfortunately ideas about 'good' teamwork vary. Best advice is play the way you like, & if someone doesn't like it, play with someone else.

[EdAndEinBebop]

lol

someone doesn't read signatures

well this is an online forum and anyone can claim to be whatever they want to be.
I only trust what I can see with my own eyes.


btw my ex created this account and its still using her email address because I dont know how to change it so does that make me a girl too?

Modifié par EdAndEinBebop, 19 mars 2013 - 10:32 .

[upinya slayin]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

If they weren't bad, they wouldn't have to farm for high level URs, or they would use more efficient methods (Platinum speedfarming) than camping.

so speed farming with missiles actually improve your skills?
now thats something new

Then again I dont know anything about how things work for console players. Some of you think that farming for credits on Rio is for those who have zero skills even though often thats their only choice since they may not have friends who play this game and are simply not considered "elite" enough to do missile speed runs.

I would like to see how good some of you high and mighty elite missile run players really are but then again I would never play with people who think their way of doing things is the best and any other alternatives are lame.

nobody said anything about "their way"
most play normal U/U games w/o niuking spawns which is what is suggested for campers cause its quicker and funner but yes it takes more skill. if all theyc are about is credits then speed running is more efficient

[DullahansXMark]

Because they still have no idea what a 3rd person cover shooter is.

[Sir_Alan_]

Tech Domain wrote...

It depends entirely on the map.

Giant, Reactor, Dagger, Rio? Sure.

Glacier, Jade, Condor? Hell naw.

^ This. I'll also add that the difficulty being played is another factor, there's no real need to camp in Bronze and Silver, regardless of the map [Gold depends on the inidviduals skill].

But I'd argue it's generally better if the team sticks together on Platinum but if someone wants to go solo and cleans up without getting downed, who am I to argue with the results.

Another point to consider is the character kit you're using, for example camping with the N7 Fury is completely retarded, where as you have a legit reason if you're sniping.

The last thing is the faction you're playing against, I think Collectors/Geth are better dealt with by sticking close to each other but Reapers/Cerberus can be handled by lone wolves.

[Dunvi]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

lol

someone doesn't read signatures

well this is an online forum and anyone can claim to be whatever they want to be.
I only trust what I can see with my own eyes.

Then don't assume I'm a man either.

ETA: to the ETA, no, it just makes you incompetent at navigating forums.

Modifié par Dunvi, 19 mars 2013 - 10:35 .

[upinya slayin]

Zero132132 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

Can you please provide some vague justification for this statement? I've seen teams of campers trying to run and gun, and they fail. I've seen teams of aggressive players camping, and they have no trouble with it. Based on personal experience, what you're saying is false.

its still camping. the only thing your missing is smore's and tents

Alright, full confession, I'm generally bad at Platinum without s'mores and tents, which is how I know that camping is the easier strategy. I mean, it isn't "stick to one counter or room the entire match!" like it is with some PUGs, but I definitely have trouble if I try to be too aggressive.

which is fine its just funny when people justify it by saying it takes more skill to do lol.

[Dunvi]

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

On BSN holding a position with a well coordinated team is bad.
Running from spawn to spawn and nuking it, is the best there is.

That you need to have more skill for holding a position than running from spawn to spawn and nuking it doesn't matter. BSN has spoken.

Can you please provide some vague justification for this statement? I've seen teams of campers trying to run and gun, and they fail. I've seen teams of aggressive players camping, and they have no trouble with it. Based on personal experience, what you're saying is false.

its still camping. the only thing your missing is smore's and tents

Alright, full confession, I'm generally bad at Platinum without s'mores and tents, which is how I know that camping is the easier strategy. I mean, it isn't "stick to one counter or room the entire match!" like it is with some PUGs, but I definitely have trouble if I try to be too aggressive.

which is fine its just funny when people justify it by saying it takes more skill to do lol.

This. I've done plat camping with platinum noobs and it's always easy as pie. I've done plat missile runs with platinum noobs and it's basically always a disaster. And most importantly, I've done legit plat runs with platinum noobs and that's ALWAYS a disaster.

[Zero132132]

EdAndEinBebop wrote...

If they weren't bad, they wouldn't have to farm for high level URs, or they would use more efficient methods (Platinum speedfarming) than camping.

so speed farming with missiles actually improve your skills?
now thats something new

Odd claim for you to make. Seems antithetical to your argument.

If you're trying to attribute that claim to me, then you've made a mistake. I didn't say that speedfarming with missiles makes you a better player. My only claim is that it's far more efficient, and  if players opt for less efficient means of farming, then it's typically because they can't successfully pull off the more efficient strategies.

See the difference? I wasn't saying nuking spawns makes you better (although honestly, it did give me a better understanding of spawn mechanics), just that better players will opt for that sort of farming over matches that take longer.

Then again I dont know anything about how things work for console players. Some of you think that farming for credits on Rio is for those who have zero skills even though often thats their only choice since they may not have friends who play this game and are simply not considered "elite" enough to do missile speed runs.

I would like to see how good some of you high and mighty elite missile run players really are but then again I would never play with people who think their way of doing things is the best and any other alternatives are lame.

Any other alternatives? Thinking that hiding in a box is cheap and boring doesn't mean that every single alternative to some specific playstyle is lame. Spawn nuking is a strategy. Sticking together as a team and running some biotic death squad **** is a strategy. Everyone long-wolfing it all match is a strategy (kind of, anyway).

None of these are looked down upon (usually), and there are plenty unlisted ones that aren't derided at all. It isn't like there's one exact way to play that everyone embraces. There are just a few that people look down on. I'm quite certain that you do the same.

And quit using the term 'elite' that way. I'm about average, as far as BSN goes, so you don't have to be elite to think that hiding in a box sucks.