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[TJBartlemus]

FlamingBoy wrote...

My final thought:
Debate is a good thing, it shows intellect and allows us to understand eachother, but whats going on here is basically akin to bullying a person into submission.

 Agreed. It is much more productive to make your point and attempt to allow other's to see your point of view without being hostile instead of just straight up bashing them.

[Shadow Storm]

Debate is a good thing, it shows intellect and allows us to understand eachother, but whats going on here is basically akin to bullying a person into submission.

Like Bioware bashing people over the head with the ending!!! lol

Modifié par Raiden Storm, 20 mars 2013 - 01:40 .

[Yervan]

OF COURSE the Citadel DLC does not contributes to the outcome of the game. Its something for, what you call "FUN content" inside the game. Look at all the funny conversations and moments in the DLC. It EASES you and your Shepard. 

[Holger1405]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Honestly hes allowed to voice his opinion, even if its perceived to be full of "hate"

On a side note the word "hate" or "haters" is reaching the point where its so overused that its loosing its bite

Of course he is, as I am too. My Opinion is that this is a pointless hate Thread and that calling People "Deluded" because they like a DLC is immature.  

Your argument is not a rational one, to be fair his is not one either.

I am curious how you bridge the gab between calling him immature and at the same time calling this a "hate" thread, wouldn't you techniquely be immature yourself.

I do have a final thought, Why is a "love" thread not considered equally immature, they are threads run by a singular emotion that defies all rationality.

I thought this is about opinion not about rationality?  But Ok, opening a Thread to tell People that they are "deluded" because they have a different opinion than yourself is imho pretty immature, and telling that person so is, also imho, rational.     

[DarkSpiral]

Once again, an obvious troll thread attracts an incredible number of people to it. Including me.

[FlamingBoy]

Holger1405 wrote...
I thought this is about opinion not about rationality?  But Ok, opening a Thread to tell People that they are "deluded" because they have a different opinion than yourself is imho pretty immature, and telling that person so is, also imho, rational.     

Most opinions on this particular thread are not rational, in particular the threads on the first page, its the equivelent of trying to beat some one in line to follow the "norm".

Yes calling you guys deluded was a mistake on his part, but hes just one man, there at least 12 guys here out to get him.

[dreamgazer]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
I thought this is about opinion not about rationality?  But Ok, opening a Thread to tell People that they are "deluded" because they have a different opinion than yourself is imho pretty immature, and telling that person so is, also imho, rational.     

Most opinions on this particular thread are not rational, in particular the threads on the first page, its the equivelent of trying to beat some one in line to follow the "norm".

Yes calling you guys deluded was a mistake on his part, but hes just one man, there at least 12 guys here out to get him.

Starting with ...

Love letter to the fans? Really? Are you guys that deluded?

... probably isn't the best way to facilitate an open conversation about the way the wind is blowing.

[FlamingBoy]

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
I thought this is about opinion not about rationality?  But Ok, opening a Thread to tell People that they are "deluded" because they have a different opinion than yourself is imho pretty immature, and telling that person so is, also imho, rational.     

Most opinions on this particular thread are not rational, in particular the threads on the first page, its the equivelent of trying to beat some one in line to follow the "norm".

Yes calling you guys deluded was a mistake on his part, but hes just one man, there at least 12 guys here out to get him.

Starting with ...

Love letter to the fans? Really? Are you guys that deluded?

... probably isn't the best way to facilitate an open conversation about the way the wind is blowing.

I agree, calling people deluded was a mistake, But

To be fair, I have been called worst things (including, deluded, hater, hate, entitled, stupid, raging fanboy). By a very influential group on this forum (honestly they stick out)

To be even fairer on this thread he has now been called equally worst things.
Finally does such a statement justify the actions of others? How does his opinion matter less than those who, forgive me, "stooped to his level".

[CDS923]

 Am I too late to say "OMG, OP is the most incorrect that a human could be"?

[dreamgazer]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Finally does such a statement justify the actions of others? How does his opinion matter less than those who, forgive me, "stooped to his level".

A thread spearheaded by a blanket statement implicating all that purchase the DLC?

Kinda merits a bit of tough love, yes. His opinion is "valid", but not immune to flippant counter-opinions from those whom the poster generalized. 

[FlamingBoy]

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Finally does such a statement justify the actions of others? How does his opinion matter less than those who, forgive me, "stooped to his level".

A thread spearheaded by a blanket statement implicating all that purchase the DLC?

Kinda merits a bit of tough love, yes. His opinion is "valid", but not immune to flippant counter-opinions from those whom the poster generalized. 

your not a parent, or an authority, you can not use the concept of tough love.

Tough love is usually for the person recieving its benefit, this is hardly the case (and I really hope you don't believe that it is), as a matter of fact its in the benefit of those delievering the "tough love"

[dreamgazer]

FlamingBoy wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Finally does such a statement justify the actions of others? How does his opinion matter less than those who, forgive me, "stooped to his level".

A thread spearheaded by a blanket statement implicating all that purchase the DLC?

Kinda merits a bit of tough love, yes. His opinion is "valid", but not immune to flippant counter-opinions from those whom the poster generalized. 

your not a parent, or an authority, you can not use the concept of tough love.

Tough love is usually for the person recieving its benefit, this is hardly the case (and I really hope you don't believe that it is), as a matter of fact its in the benefit of those delievering the "tough love"

If they want to participate in the community and have their voice carry some weight, then yes, they deserve a little bit of "tough love" for generalizations that shoot their argument in the foot.  Many posters on this forum could benefit from that, especially those who freely toss around the term "deluded". 

But nice attempt to deflect the point with semantics. 

[FlamingBoy]

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Finally does such a statement justify the actions of others? How does his opinion matter less than those who, forgive me, "stooped to his level".

A thread spearheaded by a blanket statement implicating all that purchase the DLC?

Kinda merits a bit of tough love, yes. His opinion is "valid", but not immune to flippant counter-opinions from those whom the poster generalized. 

your not a parent, or an authority, you can not use the concept of tough love.

Tough love is usually for the person recieving its benefit, this is hardly the case (and I really hope you don't believe that it is), as a matter of fact its in the benefit of those delievering the "tough love"

If they want to participate in the community and have their voice carry some weight, then yes, they deserve a little bit of "tough love" for generalizations that shoot their argument in the foot.  Many posters on this forum could benefit from that, especially those who freely toss around the term "deluded". 

But nice attempt to deflect the point with semantics. 

hard to know what to say, I guess all I can say is the justification bothers me. How some one can rationalize the concept as if its ok.

Probably the most troubling is how they can bridge the gap of their own behavior so long as some one somewhere is doing it to. And the worst part of all is that you believe it to be in his/her benefit (aka tough love).

Well, now I am significantly more concern for the people who attacked him than I was of him in the first place. Could this be what David gaider meant when he described the forum as toxic?

You have given me alot to think about.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 20 mars 2013 - 03:19 .

[Asharad Hett]

Dendio1 wrote...

Can you just leave? Nobody cares that you didn't buy the dlc. Nobody cares that you are mad about citadel dlc. Stop spreading negativity and just go

I care.

[dreamgazer]

FlamingBoy wrote...

hard to know what to say, I guess all I can say is the justification bothers me. How some one can rationalize the concept as if its ok.

Probably the most troubling is how they can bridge the gap of their own behavior so long as some one somewhere is doing it to. And the worst part of all is that you believe it to be in his/her benefit (aka tough love).

Well, now I am significantly more concern for the people who attacked him than I was of him in the first place. Could this be what David gaider meant when he described the forum as toxic?

You have given me alot to think about.

Toxicity comes from all directions around here. Surely you know that by now, FlamingBoy.

I believe that people who rely on blanket pot-shots should be put in their place every once in a while, though, yes. And I'm not worried about most of the people who defended their position on the DLC in this thread. You shouldn't be either.

[dirtdiver32318]

I have not downloaded the dlc I plan too people say it is well done. Honestly bro give it up it doesn't effect the outcome of the game boo hoo who cares man they are not having a butt ache because you didn't buy it haha

[Wayning_Star]

I admit I was angry over the citadel dlc, only because it didn't add to the lore or info on the story. It was an escapade. Not a bad thing really, I just expected more 'stuff' for the story and was disappointed when it was just not there.

[AlanC9]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Once again, an obvious troll thread attracts an incredible number of people to it. Including me.

I'm just amazed by the lack of lock.

[AlanC9]

Eloise K wrote...

I don't know if this is a troll thread, I don't mind.
The point is though, that The Citadel DLC has shown how very little people need to "forgive" BW for the failure that ME is, and I'm not talking about those who actually liked the ending and the game.
I can get that a DLC like this one can soothe the pain and the disappointment, but it also means that no matter the mistakes made by BW, people would be eager to forgive them if the proper fan service is given.

Are there really that many people in that position? I know there are people like you who haven't forgiven Bio, there are people like me who don't think Bio needed to be forgiven in the first place, and there are people who were mad at Bio but got over it.. Are there more than a handful who actually forgave Bio because of the Citadel DLC?

[SiriusXI]

I honestly hope the company will have hard times in the future because of how they srewed up the endings and how they reacted to the fan outcry, with all this "you are a minority" crap. Bioware does not deserve my money and Citadel DLC will not change my mind, no matter how good it is.

PS: I think citadel dlc is just a pretty obvious and weak attempt to say "I'm sorry" by delivering some fanservice that doesn't fit into the story of the reaper war.

[Degs29]

I agree mostly with you OP.  I absolutely hate the DLC-strategy many developers are going for and it has generated some significant, negative goodwill towards Bioware and EA for me.  That said, I think Citadel is at least on par in terms of value for money paid.  None of the other DLC has even been close IMO.  If you can just go into this DLC believing that you beat the Reapers with your accumulated War Assets (rather than with the Crucible) I think most people would highly enjoy it.  It has very few references to the ongoing war, so just ignore those.