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[Xplode441]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should clarify. Nobody romanced Jacob canonically. 

And again, you're talking nonsense.

Again, I'll mention 3 real-life friends, who romanced Jacob, yes, on their first and main playthrough. So yes, "canonically" as you put it.

Now please stop talking nonsense. You think you know a lot, but you really know nothing. Keep that in mind next time before you start typing. Thanks in advance.

Not quite sure what you guys are really arguing over or what the point of it all is, but I'd like to say that three friends in real life doesn't make a great consensus for the literal tons of players who played the Mass Effect series.  I'm also not sure about any official statements as to the removal of Jacob as a LI so I don't know where y'all are coming from on that.

[Terraforming2154]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I admit, I do find it amusing how Jacob is the only LI in ME2 to say he loves Shepard- then he turns and cheats on her with some grease-armed Cerberus tart who knew he was with Shepard. I leave them to die now.

Lol, her arms were really shiny now that you mention it.

Really, I will never understand why Bioware did what they did with romanced Jacob. They could have just changed a few lines and avoided the whole mess all together...that's what really bothers me about it all. Two or three lines for a romanced Jacob to conclude the relationship but keep it intact. It wouldn't have been a lot, but better then what happened.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 20 mars 2013 - 09:30 .

[Ageless Face]

Xplode441 wrote...
Not quite sure what you guys are really arguing over or what the point of it all is, but I'd like to say that three friends in real life doesn't make a great consensus for the literal tons of players who played the Mass Effect series.  I'm also not sure about any official statements as to the removal of Jacob as a LI so I don't know where y'all are coming from on that.

Going to statistics, one person knows about 3 ppl who romanced Jacob means there are much more players who romanced Jacob than we think.

Well, unless Heretic went to a confrence of Jacob fans... Then there are really few ppl who romanced him.

[kalasaurus]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I admit, I do find it amusing how Jacob is the only LI in ME2 to say he loves Shepard- then he turns and cheats on her with some grease-armed Cerberus tart who knew he was with Shepard. I leave them to die now.

To be fair, he only says he loves her if you reject him in the first dialogue option as he tries to get in her pants.  He's kind of a scumbag.

On my most recent playthrough of ME2 I killed him via Seeker Swarm.  The face he makes as the swarm carries him away is totally worth it.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 20 mars 2013 - 09:33 .

[Seboist]

David7204 wrote...

You're going to argue with me that a significant percentage of players canonically romanced Jacob?

Nice moving of the goal post like an ITer.

[CaptainCommander]

To be fair, Bioware tried there hardest in ME3 to alienate all their players

[LilyasAvalon]

Again, the issue isn't how many people romanced him or if he was a popular romance. For me, it was how it was handled.

What seems more in character for Jacob?

A. Have him reasonably talk to a romanced female player and simply tell her it just wasn't working out for him and she deserved better
Or B. Have him cheat on her while she was under house arrest for 6 months, knock some other girl up and NOT tell his now exgirlfriend until she came to save his arse?

This ain't rocket science, it's simple characterization.

[wiccame]

David7204 wrote...

wiccame wrote...

I'm wondering how the 'get over it, its even' crowd would react if say Tali was a forced death and Miranda ran off with someone else.....shortening the straight male LI by 2, and Bioware letting the straight female LI's alone. Then say they tease you with 2 possible replacement romances and say hey you cant have them.

That's completely different. Neither Tali or Miranda were either extremely unpopular romances or explicitly started to be dying.

I was making an example, my point being it is not equal. straight male shep is guarenteed all those LI in 3, in some capacity right to the end ( bar Tali and Ashley) depending on how you play them. 
femshep is not guarenteed any (except garrus if romanced). 
Now if they were going to add realism to romances so as not eeveryone joins the 'shep cult' why choose 2 from the already less femshep 'pile' and not take say 2 from each, if they were being fair thats how they would do it. 
And what I actually meant from the first post is how would these other feel if the tables were reversed?

Modifié par wiccame, 20 mars 2013 - 09:35 .

[pawswithclaws]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

pawswithclaws wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

And women are the bread and butter of the clothing industry. Better get used to wearing dresses, then.

Last time I checked, men need clothes as much as women do.

And last time I checked, women "need" games as much as men. If women should settle with games being geared towards men because they are the majority, then perhaps men should settle for wearing clothes geared towards women.

[SpamBot2000]

I find it difficult to find a decent fit in clothes "geared towards women".

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 20 mars 2013 - 09:42 .

[Ageless Face]

^ Why did you even try to fit into it?

[SpamBot2000]

Role playing!

[Ageless Face]

Man, that's a good reason!

[Nykara]

I have to say really it never bothered me much, mostly because I went for Kaidan right from the first play through

[wiccame]

Nykara wrote...

I have to say really it never bothered me much, mostly because I went for Kaidan right from the first play through

As much as I love Kaidan and Garrus, it would be nice to have some more variety.

[KiwiQuiche]

GlassElephant wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I admit, I do find it amusing how Jacob is the only LI in ME2 to say he loves Shepard- then he turns and cheats on her with some grease-armed Cerberus tart who knew he was with Shepard. I leave them to die now.

To be fair, he only says he loves her if you reject him in the first dialogue option as he tries to get in her pants.  He's kind of a scumbag.

On my most recent playthrough of ME2 I killed him via Seeker Swarm.  The face he makes as the swarm carries him away is totally worth it.

He says it post-suicide Mission if you go and talk to him.

[KiwiQuiche]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I admit, I do find it amusing how Jacob is the only LI in ME2 to say he loves Shepard- then he turns and cheats on her with some grease-armed Cerberus tart who knew he was with Shepard. I leave them to die now.

You can do that!? SHOW ME.

Lol just ignore the quest when it shows up; they get gunned down by Cerberus.

[kalasaurus]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I admit, I do find it amusing how Jacob is the only LI in ME2 to say he loves Shepard- then he turns and cheats on her with some grease-armed Cerberus tart who knew he was with Shepard. I leave them to die now.

To be fair, he only says he loves her if you reject him in the first dialogue option as he tries to get in her pants.  He's kind of a scumbag.

On my most recent playthrough of ME2 I killed him via Seeker Swarm.  The face he makes as the swarm carries him away is totally worth it.

He says it post-suicide Mission if you go and talk to him.

Oh.  Well, damn.  So much for love.

[Xplode441]

HagarIshay wrote...
Going to statistics, one person knows about 3 ppl who romanced Jacob means there are much more players who romanced Jacob than we think.

Well, unless Heretic went to a confrence of Jacob fans... Then there are really few ppl who romanced him.

I don't think there's been a large enough sample size questioned to definitively say if he was a popular LI or not.  One person knowing three people who romanced Jacob out of the unknown amount they know who played Mass Effect isn't great for statistical analysis.

[Nykara]

wiccame wrote...

Nykara wrote...

I have to say really it never bothered me much, mostly because I went for Kaidan right from the first play through

As much as I love Kaidan and Garrus, it would be nice to have some more variety.

I haven't even done a Garrus romance play through yet.. I find it very very hard to leave Kaidan behind on virmire and romance anyone else. As soon as the picture in the captains cabin vanishes when she is flirting with either Jacob or Garrus ... I have her go call things off with them so the picture returns <3

However this time I *am* playing a Shep that did leave Kaidan behind no picture in the cabin should mean no reason to call it off with Garrus this time and no Kaidan to tempt in ME3!

[HolyAvenger]

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

[Nykara]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I guess people have trouble reading sometimes

Its not that Thane romancers did not expect him to die its the fact that there was barely even an acknowledgement of their relationship in the vanilla game before he did die and there was certainly no romantic moments with him.

[wiccame]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I don't think it's really a case of he's dying that's so unfair, I think it's more, guy shep has a lot of female LI, femshep hardly has any (in comparison) and the ones they do give are either dying or end up cheating. Throw in the fact that if you don't romance Garrus in 2, you can't have him in 3, and if you kill Kaidan on virmire. Then come me3 and straight femshep has no-one as opposed to a possible 5 for straight guy shep, 2 for gay guyshep and 2 for gay femshep.

[kalasaurus]

Nykara wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I guess people have trouble reading sometimes

Its not that Thane romancers did not expect him to die its the fact that there was barely even an acknowledgement of their relationship in the vanilla game before he did die and there was certainly no romantic moments with him.

The pre-death romance content with him was pretty weak.  They make out and grope each other in the hospital waiting room, and he spends the rest of his life sitting in that seat with no new dialogue options.

[Xplode441]

wiccame wrote...
I don't think it's really a case of he's dying that's so unfair, I think it's more, guy shep has a lot of female LI, femshep hardly has any (in comparison) and the ones they do give are either dying or end up cheating. Throw in the fact that if you don't romance Garrus in 2, you can't have him in 3, and if you kill Kaidan on virmire. Then come me3 and straight femshep has no-one as opposed to a possible 5 for straight guy shep, 2 for gay guyshep and 2 for gay femshep.

If saving Kaidan on Virmire is one of your grievances, then shouldn't saving the possible maleShep LI on the suicide mission knock those LI out of the ranking for you as well?  You had to put effort to actually save them, just like you had to think forward about Kaidan if you wanted a possible romance with him by saving him on Virmire.

I'm just saying that saying that it's crap that you had to save Kaidan on Virmire just to get an extra LI is kind of lame considering that you get him in ME3 regardless of ME2 if you saved him on Virmire, but three(?) maleShep romances have to be saved on the suicide mission and romanced in ME2 to make sure they become LI in ME3.  I think that renders the Kaidan argument kind of moot against maleShep.