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[Arppis]

Psh, romances suck any way you look at them. It's not like the male romances are any better. And Liara is pretty much only romance that has had some work put into it.

[HolyAvenger]

wiccame wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I don't think it's really a case of he's dying that's so unfair, I think it's more, guy shep has a lot of female LI, femshep hardly has any (in comparison) and the ones they do give are either dying or end up cheating. Throw in the fact that if you don't romance Garrus in 2, you can't have him in 3, and if you kill Kaidan on virmire. Then come me3 and straight femshep has no-one as opposed to a possible 5 for straight guy shep, 2 for gay guyshep and 2 for gay femshep.

 

VS/Liara - same for both
Tali/Miranda/Jack - All fine for ME3. Miranda and Jack have almost no content in the vanilla game
Garrus/Jacob/Thane - Jacob gets screwed yes. Thane's content similar to Miranda and Jack's.
Allers/Traynor/Cortez - Only new romances in 3.

I don't buy that FemShep gets significantly more screwed over in 3. Yes an unfortunate set of choices in a combination of 1 and 2 leaves her a bit high and dry, but overall I don't think she gets treated that badly in comparison to BroShep.

[HolyAvenger]

GlassElephant wrote...

Nykara wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I guess people have trouble reading sometimes

Its not that Thane romancers did not expect him to die its the fact that there was barely even an acknowledgement of their relationship in the vanilla game before he did die and there was certainly no romantic moments with him.

The pre-death romance content with him was pretty weak.  They make out and grope each other in the hospital waiting room, and he spends the rest of his life sitting in that seat with no new dialogue options.

 

You can say the same for two MShep LIs. Neither Jack nor Miranda get decent content in the vanilla game. 

[kalasaurus]

HolyAvenger wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Nykara wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I guess people have trouble reading sometimes

Its not that Thane romancers did not expect him to die its the fact that there was barely even an acknowledgement of their relationship in the vanilla game before he did die and there was certainly no romantic moments with him.

The pre-death romance content with him was pretty weak.  They make out and grope each other in the hospital waiting room, and he spends the rest of his life sitting in that seat with no new dialogue options.

 

You can say the same for two MShep LIs. Neither Jack nor Miranda get decent content in the vanilla game. 

I thought Miranda's was handled pretty well for a non-squadmate.

[Tup3x]

Well not just female players but everyone who played femShep that was single in previous games and had plans for her li in ME3. But then she got three girls as an option and daddy (me) definitely does not approve those for her because that's just not who my Shep is. Citadel DLC changed it a bit with James though.

It's so messed up that something like this happened in the first place. Three women li's for woman and no males? Wat?

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

HolyAvenger wrote...

wiccame wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Jacob? Ehh, yeah he got a terrible story arc in 3. Thane though...Thane's romance is upfront right from the get go that you're getting involved with a guy who is dying. I don't see how following through with that was unfair or anything from BioWare.

I don't think it's really a case of he's dying that's so unfair, I think it's more, guy shep has a lot of female LI, femshep hardly has any (in comparison) and the ones they do give are either dying or end up cheating. Throw in the fact that if you don't romance Garrus in 2, you can't have him in 3, and if you kill Kaidan on virmire. Then come me3 and straight femshep has no-one as opposed to a possible 5 for straight guy shep, 2 for gay guyshep and 2 for gay femshep.

 

VS/Liara - same for both
Tali/Miranda/Jack - All fine for ME3. Miranda and Jack have almost no content in the vanilla game
Garrus/Jacob/Thane - Jacob gets screwed yes. Thane's content similar to Miranda and Jack's.
Allers/Traynor/Cortez - Only new romances in 3.

I don't buy that FemShep gets significantly more screwed over in 3. Yes an unfortunate set of choices in a combination of 1 and 2 leaves her a bit high and dry, but overall I don't think she gets treated that badly in comparison to BroShep.

*edit* Counting all the LI for Male and Female its pretty equal its when you count the straight romances when things get ugly

MaleShep will always have a straight LI no matter what he's not forced to be gay (if he wants to be in a romance)

FemShep is forced to be Les if Kaiden is dead and the player romance Jacob or Thane 

If the player starts a new game that's more equal but starting a new game sux 

Modifié par IMNOTCRAZYiminsane, 20 mars 2013 - 10:47 .

[HolyAvenger]

I agree that FemSheps who made those choices (Alenko dead, Garrus not romanced) were left short of options in terms of guys. Probably because the devs looked at their metadata, saw that 90% (made up number, but you get my point) of straight FemSheps did one of those two romances, and decided to concentrate their resources elsewhere

[wiccame]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I agree that FemSheps who made those choices (Alenko dead, Garrus not romanced) were left short of options in terms of guys. Probably because the devs looked at their metadata, saw that 90% (made up number, but you get my point) of straight FemSheps did one of those two romances, and decided to concentrate their resources elsewhere

I think they are chose more because they are the only 2 you can take through to the end, if we were given more options then that number would probably change. Why choose to have Thane when you know he dies, and why choose Jacob if you already know he's going to dump you? They give you no other option. 

@xplode441 I see your point there but in the suicide mission you can choose to save everyone, no one has to die, and even if some did, you would still have say Liara in ME3 to fall back on.

[HolyAvenger]

wiccame wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I agree that FemSheps who made those choices (Alenko dead, Garrus not romanced) were left short of options in terms of guys. Probably because the devs looked at their metadata, saw that 90% (made up number, but you get my point) of straight FemSheps did one of those two romances, and decided to concentrate their resources elsewhere

I think they are chose more because they are the only 2 you can take through to the end, if we were given more options then that number would probably change. Why choose to have Thane when you know he dies, and why choose Jacob if you already know he's going to dump you? They give you no other option. 

 

They would have had those statistics from 1 and 2 before 3 even got made;)

[deatharmonic]

David7204 wrote...

You must be so proud. Perhaps I should clarify. Nobody romanced Jacob canonically. Yes, I'm sure plenty of people romanced him for kicks just to see what would happen. Just to see the new content. But that's completely different from romancing him because you care about the character and are invested in the romance.

I'd like to know how you're privy to that information, seriously, who at BW told you that?

Wait, you've got that special power haven't you? The one that tells you what EVERY player who bought the game has done and who they romanced.

[spirosz]

You know what would of made it more fair, not in terms of the same amount of numbers for each, male and female, but similar type of circumstances.

Female = Either gets cheated on or has to deal with one dying, with no player input.

Male = All romances are viable unless Shepard goes out of his way to end it - unless you count Samara.

What if, say Jack ends up breaking up with Shepard in ME3, regardless of what you do in ME2 or Miranda ends up cheating on Shepard because of "x" reason?

It feels like Bioware wanted to try more "common" (I don't know if that's the right word) relationships on the female side, yet wanted to make it easier for the males, I don't know.

[nos_astra]

HolyAvenger wrote...
I agree that FemSheps who made those choices (Alenko dead, Garrus not romanced) were left short of options in terms of guys. Probably because the devs looked at their metadata, saw that 90% (made up number, but you get my point) of straight FemSheps did one of those two romances, and decided to concentrate their resources elsewhere

That sounds likely.

It has been said that many players struggle to complete even one playthrough. And the majority of them seems not to romance anyone. Romance are optional and you can play without romancing anyone.

But then, I'm not someone who needs that many options. I find one LI appealing, I'm likely to repeat the romance if I were to roll a new character. I prefer quality over quantity. Less LI options, more content for each LI option and ... yes, a bit more evenely distributed among them. 

That's why I understand going for the angle every LI available for everyone. It's practical and helps giving everyone an equal amount of options without having to add new characters just for that.

That said, there was definitely also a lack of consideration going on in ME. Gay romances sidelined for the most part, full focus on giving the male options more content, adding female flings only.

Edit: Makes me wonder: Is Tali's romance limited, too?

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mars 2013 - 01:16 .

[TheProtheans]

Ashley(Only if saved)
Miranda(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jack(Only if romanced in ME2)
Tali(Only if romanced in ME2)

Kaidan(Only if saved)
Garrus(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jacob( Dumps you, very unique and I wish more had this option)
Liara is a dude.
Traynor, nothing wrong with g on g.

So by my count Female Shepard have an equal amount of romances with depth.
In fact female players get it even better as Liara and Traynor are always definite options.
And Garrus is the main person  there.

Female gamers don't know how lucky good have it.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 20 mars 2013 - 01:34 .

[Alex_Dur4and]

Profanity Beaver wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

One word.

Garrus.

If you romanced him in the second game...

Also, compare that to...

Ashley
Miranda
Jack
Tali
Liara

Lots of girls with very different body types and personalities!!!

Straight girls get

Garrus (If you romanced him in ME2.)
Kaiden(If you saved him on Virmire.)

Straight girls get Garus... Because Kaiden is in the closet and will end up leaving FemShep to go to the sona 2-3 times a week and have constant headackes after a few weeks of unsatisfactory sex... He's gay! Our maybe is he just Shepardsexual...


Anyway, Kaiden is in the same category as Liara... It's not gay, but it's not heterosexual either...

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 20 mars 2013 - 01:42 .

[nos_astra]

TheProtheans wrote...

Ashley(Only if saved)
Miranda(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jack(Only if romanced in ME2)
Tali(Only if romanced in ME2)

Kaidan(Only if saved)
Garrus(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jacob( Dumps you, very unique and I wish more had this option)
Liara is a dude.
Traynor, nothing wrong with g on g.

So by my count Female Shepard have an equal amount of romances with depth.
In fact female players get it even better as Liara and Traynor are always definite options.
And Garrus is the main person  there.

Female gamers don't know how lucky good have it.

Any reason you don't count Liara for a male romance? 
Or Cortez? Nothing wrong with m on m either.
Or Kaidan?

How you managed to redfine Liara as a dude is beyond me.

I agree that a character dumping the PC is a special occasion and I appreciate the idea. I don't think it was well done, though.

It's interesting to know that the ME2 romance are all limited. That certainly helps put things into perspective.

[AllThatJazz]

Heh, while I do feel that we got slightly 'done' in terms of number of romances that could be carried through to ME3 and successfully completed, we did get Garrus, who is hands down (for me), one of the best videogame characters ever, and a really lovely romance (and I'm someone who is generally pretty indifferent about romance in videogames).

I guess Bio assumed that most people who romanced Kaidan (ie most straight females, in their line of thinking, given that he was the only option) would keep him alive in ME1 and therefore he would be available in ME3. I also think they were blown away by how popular the Garrus romance proved to be and therefore 'promoted' his character to be the other romantic lead for FemSheps. I remember how unpopular Jacob seemed here on the boards when ME2 was released - probably Bio thought it wasn't worth spending resources on a full romance arc for a character that hardly anyone seemed to like. I believe they admitted they dropped the ball on Thane after his ME2 writer left, which is a shame. Personally (given the flirting that Shepard and James can do) I think there were probably plans for implementing him as a full LI, but they ran out of time to do it (as they did with a fair few other things ).

I doubt very much that the Devs are 'trying' to alienate their female fanbase - after all, the inclusion of a Garrus romance at all in ME2 was pretty much fanservice after some collective melting at Brandon Keener's voice in ME1.

Eh, I dunno - I remember the days of Anomen in BG2 (urgh), and Carth in KotOR and Sky in JE (yawn) and then think of Kaidan and Garrus, both of which romances were very well; done imo - and I can't help but feel that while the quantity isn't there yet, we're getting some decent quality at l(e)ast.

[nos_astra]

AllThatJazz wrote...
I guess Bio assumed that most people who romanced Kaidan (ie most straight females, in their line of thinking, given that he was the only option) would keep him alive in ME1 and therefore he would be available in ME3.

ME1 romanced are only recognized on import if they live the night before Ilos.
So no, Virmire very likely doesn't skew the numbers.

[AlexMBrennan]

klarabella wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Ashley(Only if saved)
Miranda(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jack(Only if romanced in ME2)
Tali(Only if romanced in ME2)

Kaidan(Only if saved)
Garrus(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jacob( Dumps you, very unique and I wish more had this option)
Liara is a dude.
Traynor, nothing wrong with g on g.

So by my count Female Shepard have an equal amount of romances with depth.
In fact female players get it even better as Liara and Traynor are always definite options.
And Garrus is the main person  there.

Female gamers don't know how lucky good have it.

Any reason you don't count Liara for a male romance? 
Or Cortez? Nothing wrong with m on m either.
Or Kaidan?

How you managed to redfine Liara as a dude is beyond me.

I agree that a character dumping the PC is a special occasion and I appreciate the idea. I don't think it was well done, though.

It's interesting to know that the ME2 romance are all limited. That certainly helps put things into perspective.

[TheProtheans]

klarabella wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Ashley(Only if saved)
Miranda(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jack(Only if romanced in ME2)
Tali(Only if romanced in ME2)

Kaidan(Only if saved)
Garrus(Only if romanced in ME2)
Jacob( Dumps you, very unique and I wish more had this option)
Liara is a dude.
Traynor, nothing wrong with g on g.

So by my count Female Shepard have an equal amount of romances with depth.
In fact female players get it even better as Liara and Traynor are always definite options.
And Garrus is the main person  there.

Female gamers don't know how lucky good have it.

Any reason you don't count Liara for a male romance? 
Or Cortez? Nothing wrong with m on m either.
Or Kaidan?

How you managed to redfine Liara as a dude is beyond me.

I agree that a character dumping the PC is a special occasion and I appreciate the idea. I don't think it was well done, though.

It's interesting to know that the ME2 romance are all limited. That certainly helps put things into perspective.

Liara, he is fair game for both.
I put him down solely for females to get the point across.

F on F > M on M.
It is a part of the culture and nature, female relationships are always closer.
As such females get better romances in ME, only a few females don't.


In reality there is no such thing as a "straight girl".
"Straight girls" are probably similar in number to "Gay" guys.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 20 mars 2013 - 01:56 .

[nos_astra]

TheProtheans wrote...
Liara, he is fair game for both.
I put him down solely for females to get the point across.

Liara is a SHE. She has a female body, a female voice actress, the ability to bear children and is referred to as SHE in the game.

TheProtheans wrote...
F on F > M on M.
It is a part of the culture and nature, female relationships are always closer.
As such females get better romances in ME, only a few females don't.

Seriously!? Who gets to decide what is "better" or "more natural" or "closer"? You?

TheProtheans wrote...
In reality there is no such thing as a "straight girl".
"Straight girls" are probably similar in number to "Gay" guys.

I smell a troll. 

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mars 2013 - 02:01 .

[nrobbiec]

TheProtheans wrote...

F on F > M on M.
It is a part of the culture and nature, female relationships are always closer.
As such females get better romances in ME, only a few females don't.

In reality there is no such thing as a "straight girl".
"Straight girls" are probably similar in number to "Gay" guys.

[TheProtheans]

klarabella wrote...

You obviously don't know the culture very well.
Simply because disagree with it does not make it untrue, most of the females here abid to it.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 20 mars 2013 - 02:03 .

[nrobbiec]

TheProtheans you don't believe in straight girls or gay guys. You clearly don't know the human race very well. That or you have severe mental problems.

[nos_astra]

I really don't know what to make of this. I'd report him but I can't put into words what's wrong with him. It's scary if there are people out there who actually believe that sort of crap.

For the sake of my sanity I'll assume he's a troll.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 mars 2013 - 02:10 .