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[HolyAvenger]

Filament wrote...

I know at least one female player who has gone full turian. It appears Bioware's experiment was successful.

 

I know one who named her vibrator Garrus.

[N7KnightSabre]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

One word.

Garrus.

Why choose anyone else? 

Bioware has been really good to women in games.  However, the romances in ME are unbalanced.  Straight women and gay men (especially gay men) do get shafted.  

Thane dies
Jacob cheats
James flurts but doesn't want to go further than that
You have to have had a romance with Garrus in 2 to romance him in 3
Besides Kaidan, the other choices are women 

Gay men get Kaidan and Cortez in only ME3

[N7KnightSabre]

Neria Rose wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I find it funny how some people just write "Well you got Garrus" when players complain about lack of romances. Seriously folks, take a good look at Garrus. Does he really look that physically attractive?

Yes, in fact, he does.

Are you kidding?!  Garrus is gorgeous! <3  I think turians are quiet easy on the eyes 

[Ridwan]

The hell?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

tbh they almost to alienated the majority of their fanbase.

[Julia_xo]

sushismygen wrote...
Now, call me crazy but I thought most of the people love this series so much because of how it reflects on real life. Well, at least this was my reason for the mild obsession with the game. You can blame Bioware for being lazy or messy in many departments but lack of diversity when it comes to romances male or female is not one of them. I simply can't get why people can complain so much about the aspect of the game that basically made them like it in the first place.
People terminally ill die. People cheat. Drunken one night stands ending with awkward silence and horrid regret happen all the time and let's be honest, a default setting for those is "fail". Happy couples born from such events are rare. These things happen in the real world so why is it so surprising that they take place in the game? Would you really prefer that all characters were equally great, handsome and flawless? The game would be boring as hell and even then people would still complain, because then it wouldn't be realistic enough. Sure, it hurts that Thane dies, it sucks that Jacob knocked up some Cerberus hag and it sucks that James has been reduced to a one night stand but I still think it all fits with their characters. It's not like they didn't worn you. You knew Thane was dying from the first minute you met him. I knew Jacob was trouble when he said that Miranda deserved a better man, but somehow he was supposed to be good enough for Shepard? And James is exactly how most of the flirty types are. It's all for lols on their part. Seriously, if a guy needs to drink himself under the table to be able to sleep with you, it's hardly surprising that he'd rather forget about the whole thing when he wakes up in the morning

And yet this so called realism only applies to FemShep's relationships?

That's where it becomes really problematic and unfair. Yes, failed relationships happen in real life but not only to women. Men have failed relationships, too. Yet in the game Femshep gets hoisted with these failed relationships and she is rendered utterly powerless to do a thing about it.

Meanwhile, MaleShep keeps all of his options and nothing ever goes wrong. Jack, Miranda,Tali and Liara, etc it all works out. Must be nice but it's not fair any way you try to spin it.

[AllThatJazz]

LadyPaine wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I find it funny how some people just write "Well you got Garrus" when players complain about lack of romances. Seriously folks, take a good look at Garrus. Does he really look that physically attractive?

Yes, in fact, he does.

Are you kidding?!  Garrus is gorgeous! <3  I think turians are quiet easy on the eyes 

Agreed! So glad I'm not alone in thinking this stuff! 

[Adoramei]

LadyPaine wrote...

Bioware has been really good to women in games.  However, the romances in ME are unbalanced.  Straight women and gay men (especially gay men) do get shafted.  

I'm sorry, but I just burst out laughing. Not because of the context or content but the wording. I'm hoping that was intentional because if it was.. it was ingenius.

ANYHOW-

I'm okay with it not being 100% balanced. I mean, it'll give it a bit more adventure and mystery if each character is completely different from the other. (I'm kind of annoyed with the copy/paste dialogue that I discovered in 3 after doing my playthroughs and going, "Wow.. that was so heartfelt." Only to find out it's the same thing the other character says in the same situation or that it'll still be said in a non-romanced situation.) It's okay if there's one guy here or one girl there that doesn't really work out so well.. but I want it to be a character that we knew wasn't going to work out.

We romance them because we like the character. In a choose your own adventure, you really want the romance aspect to at least work out well.

However, as it is, it is a bit too imbalanced. At least that's my opinion. I'm lucky to have more options, but even so, not all of the options I want are open to me. Which I understand is going to happen, realistically. I think I'd like the trend of reversing the bi romances and straight ones. Make one or two straight romances on either side because really, that might just be the character's personality. I'd understand that. And then make the rest a possibility for either gender instead of the other way around.

So long as it doesn't make the poor, insecure babies uncomfortable by their best bro hitting on 'em. Gotta have a little more thought in the chat wheel than, "Yeah, I would prefer if you didn't die in a fire." = Romance / "I'll rip your face off and toss you out an airlock." = Not Romance. A middle ground or something would be nice. I wouldn't want the easy-mode "flirt" tags a la DA2 but something inbetween. But ah, well.

Just because some of us are happy doesn't mean that others shouldn't be too. Still frustrated at having to play MaleShep just to romance Tali.

Modifié par Adoramei, 21 mars 2013 - 07:53 .

[Nejeli]

Have femShep lose Thane, have mShep lose somebody, or at least have a new male love interest for femShep in ME3, and things would have been much fairer. Every romance mShep can start can be followed through to the end of ME3, unless the player chooses otherwise; femShep's can't. I don't understand how people can even argue that's not a problem.

I don't think the ME team is purposely trying to alienate their female players, but I do think they need some more differing perspectives in the writing room, and I hope it happens in time for the next game.

Edit - It only adds insult-to-injury, so to speak, that the flings added for femShep in the Citadel dlc are either incredibly skeevy (James) or treated as a joke (Javik). I can't believe no one questioned how that could come across to femShep players.

Modifié par Nejeli, 21 mars 2013 - 08:09 .

[Mr.House]

Nejeli wrote...

Have femShep lose Thane, have mShep lose somebody, or at least have a new male love interest for femShep in ME3, and things would have been much fairer. Every romance mShep can start can be followed through to the end of ME3, unless the player chooses otherwise; femShep's can't. I don't understand how people can even argue that's not a problem.

I don't think the ME team is purposely trying to alienate their female players, but I do think they need some more differing perspectives in the writing room, and I hope it happens in time for the next game.

Edit - It only adds insult-to-injury, so to speak, that the flings added for femShep in the Citadel dlc are either incredibly skeevy (James) or treated as a joke (Javik). I can't believe no one questioned how that could come across to femShep players.

I'm a femshep player, didn't bug me. I romanced Kaidan, Liara and Sam. Also if you didn't romance anyone in ME2, killed Ash/Kaidan then all you have is Liara and Steve as a male.

[HolyAvenger]

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

The only one who got actually badly written was Jacob. And like I keep saying, they probably threw him under the bus due to resource issues versus his lack of popularity.

[MegaSovereign]

Guys have more options in Mass Effect.

Chicks have more options in real life.

FAIR AND BALANCED.

[AlexMBrennan]

Also if you didn't romance anyone in ME2, killed Ash/Kaidan then all you have is Liara and Steve as a male.

And technically Chobot. No guaranteed straight romance for femShep though

I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc

How did you avoid the "Cure Thane" threads over the last 5 years?

[HolyAvenger]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc

How did you avoid the "Cure Thane" threads over the last 5 years?

 

By avoiding the Romance and Characters subforum like the plague.

[ThatDancingTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Chicks have more options in real life.

LOL, no. Attractive people have more options. This is true for men and women.

[MegaSovereign]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Chicks have more options in real life.

LOL, no. Attractive people have more options. This is true for men and women.

I demand that you stop trying to sabotage my argument.

pls

[Julia_xo]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

This is fiction. Science fiction no less. Considering all the far-fetched stuff that happens in these games I'm utterly perplexed when people are so close-minded about Thane's situation.

No, he didn't need to die. He didn't even need to be cured. His medical report says he was eligible for a lung transplant. Hell, they could have had him survive the game up until the end and people could headcanon the rest.

[Mr.House]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Also if you didn't romance anyone in ME2, killed Ash/Kaidan then all you have is Liara and Steve as a male.

And technically Chobot. No guaranteed straight romance for femShep though
 

Allers is do diffrent then James, Javik and Samara.

[HolyAvenger]

Julia_xo wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

This is fiction. Science fiction no less. Considering all the far-fetched stuff that happens in these games I'm utterly perplexed when people are so close-minded about Thane's situation.

No, he didn't need to die. He didn't even need to be cured. His medical report says he was eligible for a lung transplant. Hell, they could have had him survive the game up until the end and people could headcanon the rest.

 

Honestly, I've done the Thane romance, and without his "I'm dying" arc, there's isn't much to him. That underpins his whole character, his need for redemption, his seeking out Kolyat etc.

Undercutting by that simply having him live would've felt very cheap to me, personally. And no one who choose to wilfully romance a dying character, then complains about them dying gets taken seriously by me. 

[RedBeardJim]

I honestly don't understand why some folks are so opposed to the very idea that things were not balanced, or to any suggestions for how they could have been done better. I mean, none of this affects me -- my Femshep romanced Liara and stayed true to her the whole way through -- but it's not that hard to see and acknowledge that the romance options for Femshep in ME3 are a lot more limited than for Dudeshep, in a way that didn't really happen in either of the prior games. None of Dudeshep's possible romances from ME1 or ME2 are guaranteed dead-ends in ME3, but two of Femshep's are. They could have done better.

[Stilographium]

Julia_xo wrote...

And yet this so called realism only applies to FemShep's relationships?

That's where it becomes really problematic and unfair. Yes, failed relationships happen in real life but not only to women. Men have failed relationships, too. Yet in the game Femshep gets hoisted with these failed relationships and she is rendered utterly powerless to do a thing about it.

Meanwhile, MaleShep keeps all of his options and nothing ever goes wrong. Jack, Miranda,Tali and Liara, etc it all works out. Must be nice but it's not fair any way you try to spin it.

This. It's funny... MaleShep's relationship with Tali was supposed to be deadly dangerous for her, but in ME3, her system has suddenly adapted to Shepard. No one seems to see this as unrealistic, but having Thane optionally survive through the game, via available / hinted treatments or not, is considered space magic. It really feels like maleShep's relationships are guaranteed to work, no matter how unrealistic it might be, because hey, who would want a romance that can't end happily? Oh, yeah...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

Even if he didn't die mid-way through the game, Thane's "romance" in ME3 is ridiculous. He has one conversation before the coup. No date, no side mission, no paramour achievement. Not even continuity in his character arc. Thane could have been treated equally to other LIs even if he had to die. He wasn't. Even if I went to ME3 expecting Thane to die (which I didn't, after he confessed he was afraid to die and after finding out he was a viable lung transplant candidate), I would have expected a good, meaningful romance, like the one in ME2. I didn't get one, and that's why I'm "b*tching."

Modifié par Stilographium, 21 mars 2013 - 09:28 .

[Julia_xo]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Julia_xo wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

This is fiction. Science fiction no less. Considering all the far-fetched stuff that happens in these games I'm utterly perplexed when people are so close-minded about Thane's situation.

No, he didn't need to die. He didn't even need to be cured. His medical report says he was eligible for a lung transplant. Hell, they could have had him survive the game up until the end and people could headcanon the rest.

 

Honestly, I've done the Thane romance, and without his "I'm dying" arc, there's isn't much to him. That underpins his whole character, his need for redemption, his seeking out Kolyat etc.

Undercutting by that simply having him live would've felt very cheap to me, personally. And no one who choose to wilfully romance a dying character, then complains about them dying gets taken seriously by me. 

What's cheap is BioWare's sloppy handling of the character.

In many ways dying is easy. It's living that's difficult. They could have made his survival a compelling story on it's own. Especially considering the fact that a galaxy-wide extinction event was looming over them all.

Killing him was clearly the easy route for BioWare since they didn't need to put any more effort into his character, not that it seems they put much to begin with.

To be honest, the "I'm dying" stuff was a huge turn-off. It was the other aspects of his character that drew me in: his intelligence, spirituality, discilpine and maturity. Fans had hope that his story didn't need to end in tragedy. The mention of the lung transplant being an option means our hopes weren't unfounded.

[_- Songlian -]

Profanity Beaver wrote...

Straight girls get

Garrus (If you romanced him in ME2.)
Kaidan(If you saved him on Virmire.)

You forgot the Thane romance conclusion. Brief as it is.

And honestly? Garrus romance is way cooler than anything the males get. Like anything. I look at their choices and go "Bleah!".  Gimme Garrus any day.

Seriously, there's no one else in the entire trilogy I'd ever want romancing but those three mentioned above. (Except maybe Kai Leng. Kai Leng is hot.) I think BioWare has done us good.

Modifié par - Songlian -, 21 mars 2013 - 09:36 .

[MegaSovereign]

Kai Leng already has a thing for Anderson's vase. Sorry.

[HolyAvenger]

Stilographium wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thane was fundamentally dying from the get-go. I can't believe Thanemancers are b*tching about Thane dying when it is integral part of his story arc. If BioWare had made up a fantasy cure, that would have been ridiculous.

Even if he didn't die mid-way through the game, Thane's "romance" in ME3 is ridiculous. He has one conversation before the coup. No date, no side mission, no paramour achievement. Not even continuity in his character arc. Thane could have been treated equally to other LIs even if he had to die. He wasn't. Even if I went to ME3 expecting Thane to die (which I didn't, after he confessed he was afraid to die and after finding out he was a viable lung transplant candidate), I would have expected a good, meaningful romance, like the one in ME2. I didn't get one, and that's why I'm "b*tching."

 

In the vanilla game I rate his content on par with Miranda and Jack, two of MShep's ME2 LIs who also get pretty shafted in 3.