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[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

Wait I'm confused so Tali's is a ****? Or no (i never romance'd her) O.O

Plus did you yell at the broad for there in fighting
did you broker peace between Tali and Legion

She seems much different when you do O.o

[iOnlySignIn]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

They aren't allowed to colonize any worlds because the council orders them to leave the worlds they land on immediatly, every time, for the past 300 years. 

Yeah. Like that matters when the Reapers are running free on Earth and Palaven.

They armed all their liveships like dreadnaughts, which is a direct violation of the Treaty of Farixen. How many f*cks did the Council give to that? Zero. They're worried about themselves.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 mars 2013 - 03:21 .

[iOnlySignIn]

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

Plus did you yell at the broad for there in fighting
did you broker peace between Tali and Legion

She seems much different when you do O.o

Exactly. She acts in whichever way she thinks is best at manipulating you and generating your sympathy.

[spirosz]

David, you would know first hand experience of brute force, amirite?

[spirosz]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Honestly though, isn't there a Geth / Quarian thread just up north?

Yeah, but that one's actually serious, I think. Except for that page where I went in and made a bunch of bad geth jokes.

Geth are like bad and stuff.

[Cainhurst Crow]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

They aren't allowed to colonize any worlds because the council orders them to leave the worlds they land on immediatly, every time, for the past 300 years. 

Yeah. Like that matters when the Reapers are running free on Earth and Palaven.

They armed all their liveships like dreadnaughts, which is a direct violation of the Treaty of Farixen. How many f*cks did the Council give to that? Zero. They're worried about themselves.

Well, from what I remember in ME3, they were pretty much planning to send in a spectre team to "deal" with the quarians for doing that, when the reapers showed up and threw a wrench into everything.

But what I don't understand is your point. The quarians were outfitting their ships back in ME2 according to the cerberus daily news reports, getting ready to retake their homeworld and finally colonize. From the quairna discussions and what was written in the books, the quarian lifeships were starting to fail, and they needed a new home immediatly or they would die out fairly quickly. It is very easy to asseratain that they began to make a push for rannoch before the reapers hit, so it's not like they knew it was coming right than and there before they launched their offensive.

So why exactly would they colonize another world?

[Cainhurst Crow]

As for the topic at hand.

Ashley, Liara, Tali, Cortez
Kaiden, Liara, Garrus, Traynor

Seems even to me. All the other ME2 romances never show up unless you have the citadel dlc, and even than, you get something in it even if you are femshep.

Kaiden or Ashley can die, Liara applies to both, Cortez/Traynor is reserved for the same sex, and Garrus and Tali are the dextro alien romances.

[AVPen]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Let me ask you a few questions then:

(1) In Tali's Loyalty mission, what will Tali say if you suggest the Quarians find a different world to live on?

(2) Did you lie (lie of omission counts) to the Admiralty Board in that mission to preserve the reputation of her war criminal father?

(3) Did Tali become a Quarian Admiral, but chose not to prevent the war between the Geth and Quarians in ME3, causing the death of millions of Geth and Quarians alike?

(4) Did she not ask/beg you to wipe out the Geth with genocide, in both Legion's Loyalty Mission as well as Priority: Rannoch?

1. That it could take centuries for the quarians to adapt to a new world's enviroment as opposed to Rannoch where it might take a few decades, so it was in the best interests of the quarian people to take back their world (additionally, I told Tali that I'd help her reclaim her homeworld).

2. No, I shouted down the Admiralty Board for being a bunch of selfish a**holes who were clearly using my crewmember for their own political means in order to manipulate their own people into each Admiral's agenda.

3. She was one, ONE, Admiral out of five, and she was the new kid on the block so she obviously doesn't have the political leverage that the older, more experienced Admirals have in the Fleet  - also, you apparently forget that she was OUTVOTED (along with Koris) by Gerrel, Raan, and Xen in starting the war with the geth.

4. Nope - in Legion's LM, she exercised caution with rewritting the geth cause it would increase the number of true geth, but did not express a desire to commit genicide. Same situation with Rannoch, she expressed that if the geth recieved the Reaper upgrades then the quarians would certainly die (she did not "beg" me to slaughter the geth instead).

[David7204]

I've seen plenty of posts on this forum that the quarians are the stupidest people ever, ever, for attacking the geth while the Reapers are invading the galaxy. And that comes off to me as nothing but pigheaded hindsight bias. The geth were a known tool of the Reapers. If the geth did turn out to be bad, then eliminating them easily when the opportunity arose and before they had the chance to mobilize would absolutely be the smart and obvious decision. It's only because we met Legion in ME 2 that we feel any different. If Legion wasn't a part of the story and the quarians decided not to go to war, people would be calling them the stupidest people ever, ever for doing the very thing they're claiming is obvious now. 

Thing is, the quarians didn't meet Legion. Shepard did. Suffice it to say, there are a very great number of reasons why it would be unreasonable to expect the quarians to believe hearsay arguments in favor of the geth.

Modifié par David7204, 20 mars 2013 - 03:37 .

[celestialfury]

Kel Riever wrote...

People hating on Liara is just angry because remove Liara and it STILL doesn't solve the problem. Yes, otherwise, OP. Thane dies. Fanservice Thane dies. But fanservice Liara doesn't. That's why the haet. Of course fanservice Garrus does just fine. Still, not exactly equal here in number of femshep romances that are available or seem to turn out well.

Personally, if Miranda dumped manshep, it would have made MORE sense. She's freaking trying to save her sister. Would make sense that she would say something like, "I can't think about this right now."

Well, whatever. Apparently only 18% of the audience chooses FemShep to play. Which is sad. And then people also start yelling about how much of that 18% is made up of men (personally, I don't think it should matter, because if you are already assuming people should play the same gender, then you are already turning a blind eye). If we are going to base things on demographics, then video games are doomed to never open up to different audiences.

People who bring up that Femshep stat make me laugh, because they're conveniently leaving out that the soldier class is more played than all other classes combined, or that only 50% of people who strted Mass Effect 2 finished it. Do you see people arguing that the other classes are irrelevant or that endings aren't that important because half of gamers don't make it to the end? 

Anyway yes, hetero Femshep gets really screwed over romance-wise. Thane was an awesome romance and shouldn't have died, imo. 

[David7204]

By the way, calling any and all romance 'fanservice' pejoratively is really stupid.

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

IMNOTCRAZYiminsane wrote...

Plus did you yell at the broad for there in fighting
did you broker peace between Tali and Legion

She seems much different when you do O.o

Exactly. She acts in whichever way she thinks is best at manipulating you and generating your sympathy.

Really?! I mostly play Femshep but when you broker peace with Tali and Legion she actually thinks the war is stupid and wanted peace she side with Koris 

In Leigons Loyalty she is indecisive when it comes to the Herotics it sounds like she's leaning towards rewrite but i don't know

I didn't know she's becomes a manipulative **** O.o Your claims are being dismissed my friend:pinched:

Modifié par IMNOTCRAZYiminsane, 20 mars 2013 - 03:45 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

By the way, calling any and all romance 'fanservice' pejoratively is really stupid.

Well it's optional and a service to a fan, since the romances themselves serve no purpose to the development of a story, but it could help develop Shepard, depending on one's RPing.

[David7204]

It doesn't advance the central plot, but romance is absolutely a part of the story.

Besides, anything in the game could be defined as 'service to a fan.'

Modifié par David7204, 20 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

nrobbiec wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The games are designed for the majority male population. Young males. Straight, Gay, or Bi.
 

GayShep has the same amount of LIs as straight femshep... and then we get recycled dialogue. 

This is true. My oversight. Sorry.

[merylisk]

nrobbiec wrote...

GayShep has the same amount of LIs as straight femshep... and then we get recycled dialogue. 

Well, the problem is that Cortez is a guarenteed option for gay Maleshep if Kaidan is dead. Straight femsheps don't get that. If Kaidan is dead and Garrus wasn't romanced in ME2, straight femshep is SOL

Darth Brotarian wrote...

As for the topic at hand.

Ashley, Liara, Tali, Cortez
Kaiden, Liara, Garrus, Traynor

Seems even to me. All the other ME2 romances never show up unless you have the citadel dlc, and even than, you get something in it even if you are femshep. 

Kaiden or Ashley can die, Liara applies to both, Cortez/Traynor is reserved for the same sex, and Garrus and Tali are the dextro alien romances.

This is also wrong because Kaidan is an option for a Maleshep, remember? And he's a new ME3 option, whereas Ashley is not available to Femshep.

Not to mention the ME2 romances... Jack and Miranda continue on as normal, whereas Thane dies and Jacob dumps you.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

GayShep has the same amount of LIs as straight femshep... and then we get recycled dialogue. 

This is true. My oversight. Sorry. 

Not true. As I mentioned above, Gayshep gets Kaidan, and still has Cortez if Kaidan is dead.
Whereas with Femshep, if Kaidan is dead and Garrus wasn't romanced in ME2, too bad!

Modifié par merylisk, 20 mars 2013 - 04:19 .

[Jadebaby]

no, you're plenty accepted as a female gamer by BioWare, provided you are also a lesbian of course.

[Xilizhra]

Jadebaby wrote...

no, you're plenty accepted as a female gamer by BioWare, provided you are also a lesbian of course.

Meh. Anyone who liked Kelly gets screwed over too. Liara and Samantha are the only really viable ones, especially going into Citadel, which does match Kaidan and Garrus.

[NeonFlux117]

Leave it to the women folk to constantly b!tch and moan about video game relationships...............





















I'm kidding. Yeah, Bioware is.

[Lenimph]

I would say the Mass Effect team played unfair with straight female players only if you compare femsheps romances to male sheps.

It's f*cked up. They would never did what they did to Jacob and Thane's characters to a male player's romance. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 20 mars 2013 - 04:45 .

[New Display Name]

Xilizhra wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

no, you're plenty accepted as a female gamer by BioWare, provided you are also a lesbian of course.

Meh. Anyone who liked Kelly gets screwed over too. Liara and Samantha are the only really viable ones, especially going into Citadel, which does match Kaidan and Garrus.

That doesn't match Kaidan and Garrus. Both of them could be dead before ME3 (and Kaidan can die during ME3), and Garrus may not have been romanced in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

HJF4 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

no, you're plenty accepted as a female gamer by BioWare, provided you are also a lesbian of course.

Meh. Anyone who liked Kelly gets screwed over too. Liara and Samantha are the only really viable ones, especially going into Citadel, which does match Kaidan and Garrus.

That doesn't match Kaidan and Garrus. Both of them could be dead before ME3 (and Kaidan can die during ME3), and Garrus may not have been romanced in ME2.

But both of them have far more complete romances than Samantha, who only shows up aboard ship and has no interaction points elsewhere. And Liara was also built as a straight male romance. They don't exactly correspond, but I believe it to be more or less equal.

[Raanz]

Yep, I think it's a huge conspiracy to shove out any female players. Bioware doesn't want any women to play their games.

*cough*

[Megaton_Hope]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

(3) Did Tali become a Quarian Admiral, but chose not to prevent the war between the Geth and Quarians in ME3, causing the death of millions of Geth and Quarians alike?

Doesn't have that authority. Zal'Koris and Daro'Xen are also opposed to the war, but the Board collectively makes these decisions, individual admirals can't. Besides, I do believe Tali is given the rank, nominally, but not the authority; she just needs that standing to represent the Quarians with foreign governments.

[SomethingUsername]

I've never really seen liara as a gay option for a female Shepard though, for me it's always seemed like it made more sense for an asari to be with a human female over a male. But that's just me I suppose