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[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

If you put all of Femsheps and Maleshep Romances together its equal its when you place the straight romances together when it becomes unequal

They *fixed* the problem in the Citadel DLC if you are okay with one night stands

[Battlebloodmage]

killdozer9211 wrote...

On behalf of mensheps everywhere, we'll trade you cortez for traynor.

Well, straightShep at least, that would mean adding 2 more straight options while taking out 2 gay options at the same time, just no, it would mean that gayShep would only have 1 option while straightShep get 8.

[Lenimph]

killdozer9211 wrote...

On behalf of mensheps everywhere, we'll trade you cortez for traynor.

 

BWAHAHAHAHA YOU WISH!!! 

SHE'S OURZ 

[The Heretic of Time]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

killdozer9211 wrote...

On behalf of mensheps everywhere, we'll trade you cortez for traynor.

Well, straightShep at least, that would mean adding 2 more straight options while taking out 2 gay options at the same time, just no, it would mean that gayShep would only have 1 option while straightShep get 8.

Well, lets face it, in real life, it's no different.

I do not mean to sound homophobic or anything (I'm not) but it's just a fact that straight people vastly outnumber gay people, and thus there are a ton lot more options for straight people than for gay people. It's just the harsh cold truth.

[New Display Name]

Honestly though, I am not surprised a primarily male (probably exclusively straight) writing team came up with the shower scene in the Samantha romance. :/

[AtreiyaN7]

I think the problem is that the romances were like real life in the sense that not all of them were going to work out or be happy. I mean, seriously, don't be ridiculous and say that BW was trying to alienate female fans.

I'm a female who romanced Kaidan and then Thane, with the understanding that things were unlikely to end well with a man who had a terminal illness. I thought it was handled well (contrary to every other Thane-mancer who feels he should have magically been cured of Kepral's and had a happy ending, etc.).

More options would have been nice, and yes, things sure sucked if you romanced Jacob. They could have handled that somewhat better I'm sure, but again...

*points at real life where people get unceremoniously dumped or drift apart or suffer tragedies*

[Terraforming2154]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I think the problem is that the romances were like real life in the sense that not all of them were going to work out or be happy. I mean, seriously, don't be ridiculous and say that BW was trying to alienate female fans.

*points at real life where people get unceremoniously dumped or drift apart or suffer tragedies*

Yeah, but the problem is all of male Shepard's romances end up pretty happy. Maybe if it had been equal, and one of his relationships had moved on as well to show that the characters aren't complete satellites around Shepard, it wouldn't have been so frustrating...but of course that didn't happen. Why just make the female romances "realistic"? Did the writers on the ME team think that women like having their characters cheated on for the drama or angst or something?

A straight femshep can get all of these wonderful moments in ME3:
- apologizing to Kaidan for 'cheating'
- Jacob moving on after six months and getting another girl pregnant
- option to practically beg Jacob for sex after he confirms he is with another woman
- option to get shut down by Joker (why did they even need to include this?)
- option to get shut down by Vega (only to creepily harass him in the Citadel dlc if you so desire).

It definitely made me wonder what Bioware was thinking a little bit...

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 20 mars 2013 - 06:14 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

killdozer9211 wrote...

On behalf of mensheps everywhere, we'll trade you cortez for traynor.

Well, straightShep at least, that would mean adding 2 more straight options while taking out 2 gay options at the same time, just no, it would mean that gayShep would only have 1 option while straightShep get 8.

Well, lets face it, in real life, it's no different.

I do not mean to sound homophobic or anything (I'm not) but it's just a fact that straight people vastly outnumber gay people, and thus there are a ton lot more options for straight people than for gay people. It's just the harsh cold truth.

However, it is not real life, it is a video games, not to meantion that gayShep doesn't have any option up until ME3, and they probably wouldn't have added without the constant petitions and requests. If you actually notice, they did exactly what you said and give straightShep 7 options with 2 options only for gayShep, I don't know how much more unequal distribution you want.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 mars 2013 - 05:59 .

[Megaton_Hope]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I'm a female who romanced Kaidan and then Thane, with the understanding that things were unlikely to end well with a man who had a terminal illness. I thought it was handled well (contrary to every other Thane-mancer who feels he should have magically been cured of Kepral's and had a happy ending, etc.).

Just can't get behind that stuff, Kepral's being, iirc, a byproduct of being a Drell and not living in a desert. Anywhere Shepard is comfortable ought to make Thane's condition worse.

Modifié par Megaton_Hope, 20 mars 2013 - 06:03 .

[Cagamelo]

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

does his romance get weird in 3 if you import a shepard who's with him already?

how do you mean weird?

is the dialogue consistent or inconsistent?  (ie: does he still act like he's just now coming onto you?)

No, he refers to manshep as the person he loved. A couple of Shepard's lines aren't recorded apart from one bit on Mars when he tells Kaidan Cerberus didn't change how he felt about him.

How do you romance in ME1 with maleShep? Do you have to edit the save?Also how are the animations and the dialogue? Sorry about all the questions but if this is possible I may go for a new trilogy run to check it out.

[Hazegurl]

At least fem Shep can be a lesbian from the start. Gay male Sheps are left with zero romantic options until ME3.

[Cutlass Jack]

To state what should be obvious: Just because a player is female, it doesnt mean they only play female Shepards. Since nearly every male player probably made a Femshep at somepoint to romance Liara and/or Traynor, why wouldnt the reverse be equally true?

The fact there is so much attention given to romances of all types gives the product more appeal to female fans, not alienation.

Yes, Jacob romancers got very screwed over in ME3, but his romance wasn't a favorite of either gender player. (Mostly due to Femshep's creepy comeons) Thane's was tragic, but that was made obvious before the romance ever started. The player went into it with full knowledge.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 20 mars 2013 - 06:19 .

[Terraforming2154]

Cagamelo wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

does his romance get weird in 3 if you import a shepard who's with him already?

how do you mean weird?

is the dialogue consistent or inconsistent?  (ie: does he still act like he's just now coming onto you?)

No, he refers to manshep as the person he loved. A couple of Shepard's lines aren't recorded apart from one bit on Mars when he tells Kaidan Cerberus didn't change how he felt about him.

How do you romance in ME1 with maleShep? Do you have to edit the save?Also how are the animations and the dialogue? Sorry about all the questions but if this is possible I may go for a new trilogy run to check it out.

What you do is change your character's gender flags -- so male Shep is technically acknowledged as female Shepard (but with a male appearance).

They did record a good chunk of dialogue for s/s romances in the game, so there are a lot of voiced options with maleShep flirting with Kaidan. The romance scene is fully voiced too, I believe.

I just got ME1 for the PC and am playing through romancing Ash with my femshep (finally!) Barring the fact that characters call Shep "sir" or "he," and during cutscene moments you can hear male Shep's voice, it is still pretty great.

I found this post which explains how you can change the gender of a custom Shep if you prefer:
http://social.biowar...-2771955-1.html

[Battlebloodmage]

Cagamelo wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

does his romance get weird in 3 if you import a shepard who's with him already?

how do you mean weird?

is the dialogue consistent or inconsistent?  (ie: does he still act like he's just now coming onto you?)

No, he refers to manshep as the person he loved. A couple of Shepard's lines aren't recorded apart from one bit on Mars when he tells Kaidan Cerberus didn't change how he felt about him.

How do you romance in ME1 with maleShep? Do you have to edit the save?Also how are the animations and the dialogue? Sorry about all the questions but if this is possible I may go for a new trilogy run to check it out.

You can edit the save to make Kaidan romanceable toward maleShep. There are actual recorded romance dialogue between Kaidan and maleShep like if Liara comes on to Shepard, he would say that he only likes men. It also carries over to ME2 where Kaidan comes and hugs maleShep and say that he loves him. In ME3, the Mars scene has some Kaidan romance if you use a save where you faithful to Kaidan for 2 games.

[New Display Name]

Eventually I'd like to mod ME1 so S/S with Ashley/Kaidan is seamless and would require no save game gender switches.

[The Heretic of Time]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

killdozer9211 wrote...

On behalf of mensheps everywhere, we'll trade you cortez for traynor.

Well, straightShep at least, that would mean adding 2 more straight options while taking out 2 gay options at the same time, just no, it would mean that gayShep would only have 1 option while straightShep get 8.

Well, lets face it, in real life, it's no different.

I do not mean to sound homophobic or anything (I'm not) but it's just a fact that straight people vastly outnumber gay people, and thus there are a ton lot more options for straight people than for gay people. It's just the harsh cold truth.

However, it is not real life, it is a video games, not to meantion that gayShep doesn't have any option up until ME3, and they probably wouldn't have added without the constant petitions and requests. If you actually notice, they did exactly what you said and give straightShep 7 options with 2 options only for gayShep, I don't know how much more unequal distribution you want.

Sure, Mass Effect is not real-life. That does however not mean you can simply do whatever the heck you want without breaking suspension of disbelief or risking to be ridiculed.

Personally I find it ridiculous how the romance crap is handled in Dragon Age 2. Turning everyone bi-sexual (or Hawke-sexual?) was a bad move.

I mean I already find it hard to take this romance crap in BioWare's games seriously as it is, but the way it was handled in Dragon Age 2 was just plain ridiculous. Luckily, Dragon Age 2 at least marked all the romance dialogue options with a big pink heart, so I knew which dialogue options I should avoid at all cost. If there is anything I hate about Mass Effect, it's being ninjamanced when all I really wanted is just to be a nice guy to my squad members. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 20 mars 2013 - 06:28 .

[The Heretic of Time]

To the OP:

Stop whining. You have Liara, Kaidan, Garrus, Thane and Traynor as loyal romance options.

With Jacob, you can actually make up in the Citadel DLC.

You can start a romance with Samara in the Citadel DLC also.

And then you can also have a one-night-stand with both James and Javik.


So seriously, you have no reason to QQ the way you do. BioWare obviously doesn't hate you, so stop whining.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 20 mars 2013 - 06:37 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Sure, Mass Effect is not real-life. That does however not mean you can simply do whatever the heck you want without breaking suspension of disbelief or risking to be ridiculed.

Personally I find it ridiculous how the romance crap is handled in Dragon Age 2. Turning everyone bi-sexual (or Hawke-sexual?) was a bad move.

I mean I already find it hard to take this romance crap in BioWare's games seriously as it is, but the way it was handled in Dragon Age 2 was just plain ridiculous. Luckily, Dragon Age 2 at least marked all the romance dialogue options with a big pink heart, so I knew which dialogue options I should avoid at all cost. If there is anything I hate about Mass Effect, it's being ninjamanced when all I really wanted is just to be a nice guy to my squad members. 

I'm not gonna touch on the DA2 romance because it's just gonna end up in tons of uncessary arguments and it's just overdone at this point. Plus, it's off-topic. I'm not sure how having 2 gay romance is breaking immersion, especially considering the amount of straight romance we have in the game. I don't remember being ninjaromance by anyone in ME3, especially with the lock-in moments where you have to tell them specifically that you love them. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 20 mars 2013 - 06:34 .

[Cagamelo]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

What you do is change your character's gender flags -- so male Shep is technically acknowledged as female Shepard (but with a male appearance).

They did record a good chunk of dialogue for s/s romances in the game, so there are a lot of voiced options with maleShep flirting with Kaidan. The romance scene is fully voiced too, I believe.

I just got ME1 for the PC and am playing through romancing Ash with my femshep (finally!) Barring the fact that characters call Shep "sir" or "he," and during cutscene moments you can hear male Shep's voice, it is still pretty great.

I found this post which explains how you can change the gender of a custom Shep if you prefer:
http://social.biowar...-2771955-1.html

I wonder how that works out on ME3, does she continues the romance?

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You can edit the save to make Kaidan romanceable toward maleShep. There are actual recorded romance dialogue between Kaidan and maleShep like if Liara comes on to Shepard, he would say that he only likes men. It also carries over to ME2 where Kaidan comes and hugs maleShep and say that he loves him. In ME3, the Mars scene has some Kaidan romance if you use a save where you faithful to Kaidan for 2 games.

I'll definitely give that a try ASAP. Thanks for the help guys.

Modifié par Cagamelo, 20 mars 2013 - 06:38 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm not gonna touch on the DA2 romance because it's just gonna end up in tons of uncessary arguments and it's just overdone at this point. Plus, it's off-topic. I'm not sure how having 2 gay romance is breaking immersion, especially considering the amount of straight romance we have in the game. I don't remember being ninjaromance by anyone in ME3, especially with the lock-in moments where you have to tell them specifically that you love them. 

Did I ever say having 2 gay romance options is immersion-breaking? Nope, I didn't.

And I wasn't talking about just ME3. I was talking about Mass Effect in general. I have been ninjamanced by Liara, Jack and Tali on my first few playthroughs. Luckily I quickly discovered how to avoid those ninjamances on my later playthroughs.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Putting aside the Citadel DLC, I know that Thane dies and Jacob cheats on you like a little bastard, and I agree that that sucks, but Miranda and Jack aren't really all that much better. Basically, it's really just the ME1 squadmates that get a fair amount of content for their respected romances, with Ashley, Tali for men, Garrus and Kaidan for women and Liara for both.

[Megaton_Hope]

I like the addition of the "romance option" heart, myself. Some of the things that lead to romance (or murder) don't exactly scream it from the rooftops.

[Battlebloodmage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm not gonna touch on the DA2 romance because it's just gonna end up in tons of uncessary arguments and it's just overdone at this point. Plus, it's off-topic. I'm not sure how having 2 gay romance is breaking immersion, especially considering the amount of straight romance we have in the game. I don't remember being ninjaromance by anyone in ME3, especially with the lock-in moments where you have to tell them specifically that you love them. 

Did I ever say having 2 gay romance options is immersion-breaking? Nope, I didn't.

And I wasn't talking about just ME3. I was talking about Mass Effect in general. I have been ninjamanced by Liara, Jack and Tali on my first few playthroughs. Luckily I quickly discovered how to avoid those ninjamances on my later playthroughs.

Well, you quoted me and say that having one gay option is just real life, and I said that it's a video game, so it's not real life, which then you say that it's breaking immersion. If that's not what you're referring to, then I guess we're misunderstood each other. In DA, you need to flirt to initiate the romance, it wouldn't hurt if ME incprporate something similar, I suppose.

[Battlebloodmage]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm not gonna touch on the DA2 romance because it's just gonna end up in tons of uncessary arguments and it's just overdone at this point. Plus, it's off-topic. I'm not sure how having 2 gay romance is breaking immersion, especially considering the amount of straight romance we have in the game. I don't remember being ninjaromance by anyone in ME3, especially with the lock-in moments where you have to tell them specifically that you love them. 

Did I ever say having 2 gay romance options is immersion-breaking? Nope, I didn't.

And I wasn't talking about just ME3. I was talking about Mass Effect in general. I have been ninjamanced by Liara, Jack and Tali on my first few playthroughs. Luckily I quickly discovered how to avoid those ninjamances on my later playthroughs.

Because of my knowledge of past Bioware ninjamances, I actually ended up being a dick to Cortez in one of his conversations because I was afraid the other dialgue option would trigger a romance. I felt pretty bad when I later learned that it wouldn't have.

People talk about ninjaromance in Bioware games, there are still hints that you're romancing that particular person. If you want to talk about ninjaromance, the worst one is actually Dragon's Dogma. I was a pedophile in that game for some reasons. <_<