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[NeonFlux117]

These Negative Nancy's still B!tchin' bout Femshep. Holly rusted metal batman! Go back in the kitchen and make a/your man a sandwich.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 20 mars 2013 - 06:51 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm not gonna touch on the DA2 romance because it's just gonna end up in tons of uncessary arguments and it's just overdone at this point. Plus, it's off-topic. I'm not sure how having 2 gay romance is breaking immersion, especially considering the amount of straight romance we have in the game. I don't remember being ninjaromance by anyone in ME3, especially with the lock-in moments where you have to tell them specifically that you love them. 

Did I ever say having 2 gay romance options is immersion-breaking? Nope, I didn't.

And I wasn't talking about just ME3. I was talking about Mass Effect in general. I have been ninjamanced by Liara, Jack and Tali on my first few playthroughs. Luckily I quickly discovered how to avoid those ninjamances on my later playthroughs.

Because of my knowledge of past Bioware ninjamances, I actually ended up being a dick to Cortez in one of his conversations because I was afraid the other dialgue option would trigger a romance. I felt pretty bad when I later learned that it wouldn't have.

Same here. I was incredibly careful with my dialogue choices when talking to Cortez. I wanted to be nice to him, but I certainly didn't want to get ninjamanced by him.

Of course, there is still that **** Allers who tried to make a pass on my Shepard. Turned that b!tch down and kicked her off my ship. That felt good. 

[Seboist]

I just flat ignored Cortez cause I had enough of playing Spectre therapist in ME2.

[Isichar]

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

[Seboist]

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

[Battlebloodmage]

Seboist wrote...

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

If you only cater to male players, of course that would be the result. More female gamers would play games if you make games to appeal to everyone instead of a particular demographic. 

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

Seboist wrote...

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

Seriously....I mean Seriously? Wow i can feel the rage but.....im too lazy so w.e

[schebobo]

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight ME player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

I guess all the complaining comes from the that at it's heart, ME is a make your own character/story game, and people tend to expect as much story customization as possible. I sometimes wonder if Bioware would ever make a game where you are one set character like a Geralt of rivia, John Marston or even a Lara Croft. Maybe they would be able to just focus on making said character as deep and unique as possible without having to cater to so many different tastes and also risk annoying so many different people.

Yes it'll probably alienate some fans but I think a good enough story would always find its audience. Bioware have time and time again proved that they can write characters better than the majority of games and sometimes I wonder what bioware could do with just one or perhaps two romance options. That way you're far more likely to end up wirth more polished chars like Liara.  

Modifié par schebobo, 20 mars 2013 - 07:37 .

[pawswithclaws]

Seboist wrote...

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

And women are the bread and butter of the clothing industry. Better get used to wearing dresses, then.

[The Heretic of Time]

pawswithclaws wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Isichar wrote...

They just need more experience writing for female fans. Whether or not you like it gaming has been geared towards males for the most part. I am happy Bioware is actually attempting to improve in that sense at least because it really is something the gaming industry needs to move away from if it ever wants to grow.

As far as I am concerned the only group that really got shafted was the Jacobmancers.

Which is how it should be. Males are the bread and butter of the game industry.

And women are the bread and butter of the clothing industry. Better get used to wearing dresses, then.

Last time I checked, men need clothes as much as women do.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 20 mars 2013 - 07:35 .

[Battlebloodmage]

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

[The Heretic of Time]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

[Battlebloodmage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

I didn't know poligamy is a sexual orientation. The more you know, I suppose. 

[kalasaurus]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

I like the addition of the "romance option" heart, myself. Some of the things that lead to romance (or murder) don't exactly scream it from the rooftops.

Yeah, there are quite a few ninjamancing moments in ME1 and DA: O.  The heart was a nice addition to the dialogue wheel in DA2.

Like in ME1 between Kaidan and FemShep, for example.  He'll talk about his past at brain camp and you can either respond with "That was an interesting story/ I wanted to get to know you better" (start romance) or "Wow, that was boring" (friendship).

Modifié par GlassElephant, 20 mars 2013 - 07:41 .

[David7204]

Polyamorous?

[Battlebloodmage]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

You should play Jade Empire then; Bioware actually lets you have both female LIs at the same time in that game.

The same can be said about DAO, where you can marry Anora or Alistair and have Zevran and Lelianna on the side.

[David7204]

GlassElephant wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

I like the addition of the "romance option" heart, myself. Some of the things that lead to romance (or murder) don't exactly scream it from the rooftops.

Yeah, there are quite a few ninjamancing moments in ME1 and DA: O.  The heart was a nice addition to the dialogue wheel in DA2.

Like in ME1 between Kaidan and FemShep, for example.  He'll talk about his past at brain camp and you can either respond with "That was an interesting story/ I wanted to get to know you better" (start romance) or "Wow, that was boring" (friendship).

I am nearly certain this is completely untrue.

[The Heretic of Time]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

I didn't know poligamy is a sexual orientation. The more you know, I suppose. 

It isn't a sexual orientation. Does that matter though? Are you saying BioWare should only focus on equality based on our sexual orientation and not lifestyle or religious beliefs?

Polygamy got greatly shafted by BioWare. It's clear BioWare only focussed on monogamy. I find that unfair to all the men who prefer to have a polygamous household aboard the Normandy.

[kalasaurus]

David7204 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

I like the addition of the "romance option" heart, myself. Some of the things that lead to romance (or murder) don't exactly scream it from the rooftops.

Yeah, there are quite a few ninjamancing moments in ME1 and DA: O.  The heart was a nice addition to the dialogue wheel in DA2.

Like in ME1 between Kaidan and FemShep, for example.  He'll talk about his past at brain camp and you can either respond with "That was an interesting story/ I wanted to get to know you better" (start romance) or "Wow, that was boring" (friendship).

I am nearly certain this is completely untrue.

Nope.  After you respond to his story in a friendly way (neutral or paragon) he'll ask if you get this personal with everyone.  Every response after that starts the romance path.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 20 mars 2013 - 07:47 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

I didn't know poligamy is a sexual orientation. The more you know, I suppose. 

It isn't a sexual orientation. Does that matter though? Are you saying BioWare should only focus on equality based on our sexual orientation and not lifestyle or religious beliefs?

Polygamy got greatly shafted by BioWare. It's clear BioWare only focussed on monogamy. I find that unfair to all the men who prefer to have a polygamous household aboard the Normandy.

I don't know where you get your aggression from. If you feel like providing gay romance is such a bad thing that you need to drag different kind of relationship to justify your point, then I really have nothing to say. 

[David7204]

Yeah. I remember that. And I also remember starting a relationship with Liara and that being an end to it. That really shouldn't count as 'starting a romance.' Pretty much all the female characters say something of the sort if you're polite to them and play as a male.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

schebobo wrote...

Yup, agree with OP.

It certainly seems that if you're a female and straight me player, then you get shafted compared to everyone else. Lol

Not as shafted as gay male players, but I'm not gonna play who had it worse. 

Us polygamous players got even more shafted. I feel greatly offended that BioWare didn't give me the option to start my own harem on the Normandy. BioWare must really hate us polygamous men. <_<

I didn't know poligamy is a sexual orientation. The more you know, I suppose. 

It isn't a sexual orientation. Does that matter though? Are you saying BioWare should only focus on equality based on our sexual orientation and not lifestyle or religious beliefs?

Polygamy got greatly shafted by BioWare. It's clear BioWare only focussed on monogamy. I find that unfair to all the men who prefer to have a polygamous household aboard the Normandy.

Exactly. I'm tired of Bioware treating those of us who want to host space orgies as second class citizens. The scene where Ashley refuses a threesome with you and Liara in ME1 was downright offensive.

[AtreiyaN7]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
I think the problem is that the romances were like real life in the sense that not all of them were going to work out or be happy. I mean, seriously, don't be ridiculous and say that BW was trying to alienate female fans.

*points at real life where people get unceremoniously dumped or drift apart or suffer tragedies*

Yeah, but the problem is all of male Shepard's romances end up pretty happy. Maybe if it had been equal, and one of his relationships had moved on as well to show that the characters aren't complete satellites around Shepard, it wouldn't have been so frustrating...but of course that didn't happen. Why just make the female romances "realistic"? Did the writers on the ME team think that women like having their characters cheated on for the drama or angst or something?

A straight femshep can get all of these wonderful moments in ME3:
- apologizing to Kaidan for 'cheating'
- Jacob moving on after six months and getting another girl pregnant
- option to practically beg Jacob for sex after he confirms he is with another woman
- option to get shut down by Joker (why did they even need to include this?)
- option to get shut down by Vega (only to creepily harass him in the Citadel dlc if you so desire).

It definitely made me wonder what Bioware was thinking a little bit...

• If faced with the Jacob situation, my reaction would be to flip him the bird instead of begging. I don't
  see why anyone with self-respect would go begging him for sex. I actually did romance him in one playthrough, but I only viewed it as a fling and played it out for the sake of my amusement (mostly it resulted in cringing).
• I personally found getting shot down by Joker to be hilarious. As far as I was concerned, it was a wink and a nod to the fans who wanted a Joker-mance. I actually liked the idea of a Joker-mance as some others did, but I also had a sense of humor about it.
• As for the Vega thing - that seemed like a wink and a nod as well. We all know that Vega is a terrible flirt, and you presumably get to turn the tables on him for once. I didn't really see it as being terribly serious.

Regardng the apology to Kaidan, I don't recall actually apologizing for "cheating" on Kaidan. He said that he forgave Shepard for cheating during that dinner date on the Citadel (in the main game after you've reunited), but that was how he viewed what my character was saying. I don't think "sorry" was uttered by my Shepard, but maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly.

Aside from Kaidan and Thane and Jacob, I could have romanced Garrus if I'd wanted to. He's a great guy (not so smooth at picking up ladies, though). Honestly, how many romanceable males do people need to be happy? My opinion is that if I have three-four choices (even if two are effectively doomed not to work out for various reasons), then I still had a lot of options to choose from.

The writers obviously did not go "oh, female fans want angst/drama." I think they were mostly trying to be true to the characters instead of going "oh, let's pander to all the female fans and give everyone a happy romance with six straight guys to choose from (or whatever other number you want to use) for the sake of gender parity!" This is not Mass Effect: Date-a-thon. There's actually supposed to be this plot about defeating the Reapers that takes precedence over all romances.

I just don't see how they can reasonably be expected to give every straight person six choices for each gender or whatever number it is that you think would have been appropriate. And what about the gay and bi gamers? Don't they deserve to have romances too? Is everyone supposed to get a specific number of characters for every sexual orientation? At least they were able to make some characters swing both ways or outright be gay, so everyone got a chance at romance with various characters. I am more glad about everyone of every orientation having had a chance to romance characters than I am concerned about how many straight males I got to choose from.

I might as well start trying to claim that Bethesda was trying to alienate female gamers for not allowing me to romance the one male character I was interested in - Brynjolf. Sorry, but you can't have the one guy in the game who actually has a spark of life! The one guy who has a charming, roguish personality that doesn't sound as dumb as a turnip...CAN NEVER BE YOURS BECAUSE WE PERSONALLY WANT TO ALIENATE YOU, OUR FEMALE FANS - MUAHAHAHAHA!

See that up there? That's approximately as silly in my eyes as claiming that BioWare was trying to alienate female fans just because things didn't work out and they didn't get exactly what they wanted. People need to chill out and realize that they were afforded more attention, time, and options than they would have gotten from any other game developer. The romances may not all have been perfect and may not have all worked out, but we were definitely catered to.

Honestly, I think people here are so spoiled that they don't recognize how good they have it in most BioWare games. I'm trying to go down my list of other games where I've had a female protagonist and had mutliple romance options. So far, I'm only coming up with Persona 3 Portable...and past BioWare games.

Sure, tell them what you didn't like about Jacob or whatever your problem was with a specific romance, and MAYBE they'll actually take it under advisement for the future. It's pretty clear that they were aware about the reception that the romance with Jacob in ME2 got (mostly poor  ), which may have contributed to him getting short shrift in ME3. C'est la vie - not everything works out writing-wise OR in real-life.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 20 mars 2013 - 07:52 .