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[LPPrince]

Rawgrim wrote...

If their sexuality gets set when the player picks a gender for his character, the romance option is player-sexual. The player decides their sexuality when picking a gender for his character.

I know what playersexual means, no worries.

What I don't know is what David Gaider and co. mean.

Because if their sexualities are set in stone and not in fact "playersexual" i.e. changed by the choice of PC gender, then they must all be bisexual because they're all open to male and female romances.

But its been said before that they aren't all bisexual. So...what is it?

Gah, now I want equal parts hetero, ******, and bisexual romances just so these types of confusing conversations are dissipated.

[The Hierophant]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Oh? So Fenris sexuality is a cornerstone of his character and a highly influential part of his background?

How so?

And where exactly did you read this?

So basically Testarossa, your point was that a mage Hawke could start a relationship with Fenris regardless of his bias towards them, and continue their mage supporting campaign without fear of him dumping them?

[David Gaider]

LPPrince wrote...
Let me try to see if I'm understanding this right-

Characters don't have a subjective sexuality in that they change from being purely heterosexual or purely homosexual based on the gender of the PC. So then their sexualities ARE set in stone. Since they're good with men and women, that makes them all bisexual. Buuut then wasn't it said before that they aren't all bisexu-

Yep I'm lost.

Yep. This argument goes around in circles so many times, that any attempt I make to explain it just gets responded to with a "but what if--", and then interpreted to be an explanation for something else. I'm realizing that it's basically pointless to explain.

All the romances in DA2 are available to anyone. If you're desperate to slap a label onto their sexuality, that's your issue. It doesn't affect how they're written, and doesn't affect how the writers think about them. Set sexualities would offer some extra opportunities (and I've always said it's my preference, given the resources), but it would not make the characters "more defined" outside of the person who, quite seriously, just needs to get over it.

And if you can't get over it, if the characters just aren't defining their sexuality in concrete terms enough for you to wrap your head around, so that suddenly reality loses all meaning... then too damned bad. It's optional content. The team really has much bigger things to worry about, and quite frankly we've not said anything about what we're doing in DA3 for romances period.

/grumpywriter

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 mars 2013 - 08:11 .

[happy_daiz]

^ That needed to be said, tbh.

I was getting pretty confused by that whole conversation.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 20 mars 2013 - 08:12 .

[Wulfram]

They're subjectively subjective. Pick whichever answer doesn't bother you.

[LPPrince]

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Modifié par LPPrince, 20 mars 2013 - 08:19 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Enigmatick wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

This thread is a perfect represenation of everything that's wrrong with Bioware games right now.

Fans not understanding the devolopers or what do you mean?

S/he probably means the sad fact that fans are far more concerned with character sexuality than gameplay.

They are until the game comes out. Then it's like "Hey, you promised us great gameplay, too!"

[Mr.House]

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Says the persob who loves Skyrim where all most everyone no matter the gender wants to get into Dragonborns pants.

Modifié par Mr.House, 20 mars 2013 - 08:23 .

[billy the squid]

This thread needs more bestiality. For the Nug love!

[Ryzaki]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Oh? So Fenris sexuality is a cornerstone of his character and a highly influential part of his background?

How so?

And where exactly did you read this?

You quote said

This argument has been proven to be nonsense countless times. I
really don't get why anyone still uses it. "Choice" in a video game is
about being able to choose what your character does, not about being
able to change reality at whim.

"Why would anyone have a problem with being able to make Fenris like magic? It's like asking for less choice."

Fenris not liking magic is a cornerstone of his background and history. Please show me how his sexuality is so. Otherwise I don't see your comparison.

[hoorayforicecream]

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

It's only confusing if you think of sexuality as a list of mutually-exclusive check boxes. Once you stop thinking that way, everything makes perfect sense.

[Rawgrim]

Mr.House wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Says the first who loves Skyrim where all mosteveryone no matter the gender wants to get into Dragonborns pants.

Actually, if you look at the romance lists for Skyrim, its pretty much 50-50 based on the gender of the PC.

[The Hierophant]

billy the squid wrote...

This thread needs more bestiality. For the Nug love!

Daleks need love too.

[LPPrince]

Mr.House wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Says the first who loves Skyrim where all mosteveryone no matter the gender wants to get into Dragonborns pants.

I don't think much of romance in Skyrim because in that game romance is nigh non-existant. I played a human and only really noticed that someone I came across(Ysolda, another human) cared to have feelings, and I only noticed because I asked. Then marriage happened.

Ask a player that played an Argonian who went around asking everyone in that game who's single and interested irrespective of gender or race.

[Mr.House]

Rawgrim wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Says the first who loves Skyrim where all mosteveryone no matter the gender wants to get into Dragonborns pants.

Actually, if you look at the romance lists for Skyrim, its pretty much 50-50 based on the gender of the PC.

No matter you gender you can marry any of the peopel who can be married, this is no diffrent then in DA2 being able to romance any oft he four Lis regardless of gender.

[SongstressKitsune]

/shrug

It appears that the point here is that there's no real point in applying sexuality labels to fictional characters. We're also presuming Thedas even treats sexuality the same way we do.

That, and that all things considered it's really not that big of a deal in the long run. I know it never bothered me. Anders may read more "gay" to me personally (I appreciate the line about "pinging like an aircraft carrier" in Mr. Gaider's lovely tumblr post on the subject; that was pretty much my initial reaction to him) but it's ultimately meaningless and I had just as much fun romancing him with a female as with a male.

Also, the slight but present differences between the male and female romance paths really added to the replay value to me since I enjoy romance content a lot, and like trying out all the different parameters. (Freind/rival; male/female)

Modifié par SongstressKitsune, 20 mars 2013 - 08:27 .

[Rawgrim]

Hmm so if I make a male character, it will be him + a bunch of gay dudes and a bunch of straight women running about.

If i make a female character it will be her + a bunch of lesbians (formerly straight) and a bunch of straight men (formerly gay) running around and doing quests.

So...it is actually alot more difficult to find friends of your own gender, that happen to be straight then.

[BouncyFrag]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

This thread is a perfect represenation of everything that's wrrong with Bioware games right now.

Fans not understanding the devolopers or what do you mean?

S/he probably means the sad fact that fans are far more concerned with character sexuality than gameplay.

They are until the game comes out. Then it's like "Hey, you promised us great gameplay, too!"

QFT

[Lennard Testarossa]

The Hierophant wrote...
So basically Testarossa, your point was that a mage Hawke could start a relationship with Fenris regardless of his bias towards them, and continue their mage supporting campaign without fear of him dumping them?

My point was entirely unrelated to Fenris' romance. discosuperfly claimed that not being able to romance whomever you like is inherently bad because it restricts choice. That's nonsense. You should be able to try and romance someone. That doesn't mean it should always be possible for you to succeed. You should be able to choose actions, not consequences.

If a companion is straight or gay, he's straight or gay. It is not inherently bad to not be able to change that, just like it is not inherently bad to not able to change whether Fenris likes or dislikes magic.

Modifié par Lennard Testarossa, 20 mars 2013 - 08:30 .

[Rawgrim]

Mr.House wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Says the first who loves Skyrim where all mosteveryone no matter the gender wants to get into Dragonborns pants.

Actually, if you look at the romance lists for Skyrim, its pretty much 50-50 based on the gender of the PC.

No matter you gender you can marry any of the peopel who can be married, this is no diffrent then in DA2 being able to romance any oft he four Lis regardless of gender.

Not true at all. Some can only be married by males, some can only be married by women. And some by both. Check your facts.

[Ryzaki]

Rawgrim wrote...

Hmm so if I make a male character, it will be him + a bunch of gay dudes and a bunch of straight women running about.

If i make a female character it will be her + a bunch of lesbians (formerly straight) and a bunch of straight men (formerly gay) running around and doing quests.

So...it is actually alot more difficult to find friends of your own gender, that happen to be straight then.

...Yeah poor Varric, Seb and Aveline. Guess they don't exist...

[HolyAvenger]

Rawgrim wrote...

Hmm so if I make a male character, it will be him + a bunch of gay dudes and a bunch of straight women running about.

If i make a female character it will be her + a bunch of lesbians (formerly straight) and a bunch of straight men (formerly gay) running around and doing quests.

So...it is actually alot more difficult to find friends of your own gender, that happen to be straight then.

 

Huh? My MHawke dated a bisexual chick, was friends with a straight girl and had no idea about the third (was thinking straight but coulda be other). He also a bi male friend, a straight/Biancasexual male friend and a straight male friend. 

:unsure:That's my headcanon, and I'm sticking to it. Might very well be different for my FemHawke run, if I ever get around to doing it.

[LPPrince]

krul2k wrote...

LP m8 its your game, there whatever you desire them to be, Bioware just took the "block" of that stopped you romancing someone you like because of whatever gender of character you enjoy playing most.

I don't know so much if they're "whatever we desire them to be" since apparently their sexualities are set in stone, but you are right about them removing the block that could stop a romance from occurring.

I guess I'm just one of those players that would rather those blocks be put back in place.

More actually.

Ex- I'm playing a female PC, she's a...lets go with mage, and she's made it clear that she sympathizes with the Templars and feels that mages are out of control and stuff.

Then she tries to woo a male squadmate in game. The guy's straight- so all good so far. He's a mage- oh cool, they share things in common. Too bad he hates the fact that we sympathize with the templars, looks like romance is a no-go, he won't stand for it cause that's not the kind of guy he is.

^thats the kind of stuff I want

[Sejborg]

LPPrince wrote...

 I don't think anyone has the "suddenly reality loses all meaning" problem. But anyway,

So they're available to everyone and none of them have a "label" of heterosexual, homosexual, or whatever else.

That's...puzzling. Cause without that its...well, confusing.

But I think I'm getting it now.

I think. I'm not even sure, I'm just thinking I think I'm getting it.

Sometimes they are heterosexual. Sometimes they are homosexual. Sometimes they are bisexual. Sometimes they are all of them at the same time. They are whatever the party... I mean Bioware, says they are. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.