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[arial]

 in ME1, the Council always seem to fear provoking war with the Terminus, making it sound like the Terminus has a military force that would rival their own.

But, then we enter the Terminus in ME2, and the only real Threat's would be the Merc Groups (who can seem to be virtually wiped out by a three man squad), and the Batarian Fleet. (Although, either the Alliance or Turian fleet could decimate the Batarian Fleet.).

So, what happened to all this Power the Council made it seem the terminus had? was it just forgotten about after the writeing of ME1?

Possibly an angle at a later title?

[justafan]

Aria has a sizeable fleet in Omega, the Batarians were more formidable before ME3, the mec groups did have a decent number of ships, and if you want to get creative, you may even add the Migrant Fleet to the Terminus. Still can't match the council, but is more than enough to be a major pain.

[David7204]

That's kind of a dumb assumption. There can't be fleets and armies in the Terminus System because Shepard doesn't see them?

Modifié par David7204, 20 mars 2013 - 01:53 .

[DWH1982]

I figured we didn't see all of the Terminus Systems in ME2. Always thought there must be a collection of dictatorships and warlords with some military might there too, not just the merc groups and batarians.

On their own, the dictators, warlords, criminal groups and mercs all fight with each other. If the Council forces press them too much, though, they might actually unite and invade C-Space, which would be a mess.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

The Terminus Sates were likely drafted as a means of setting up future conflicts, since ME dealt with the Reapers in a seemingly permanent way. When the decision was made to retain the Reapers as primary antagonists in the second game, the idea of a Council-Terminus war was likely scrapped. However, the Terminus warlords are still around, and would only rally if provoked. This is noted in ME2, and is worked around by having Shepard reinstated in name only. Pure speculation on my part, though.

[DWH1982]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

However, the Terminus warlords are still around, and would only rally if provoked. This is noted in ME2, and is worked around by having Shepard reinstated in name only. Pure speculation on my part, though.

Yeah, I figure most of the warlords and dictatorships only control one to two  systems each. On top of that, there are large numbers of systems that are uncontrolled, criminal or merc controlled, or even a lucky few that have smallerish democracies of sorts on at least one planet.

Pretty much the only thing they have in common is that they don't like C-Space and are rather paranoid about their independence. Left to their own devices, they'll happily fight each other or stay isolationist.

[Armass81]

Apparently terminus has a number of "minor" species that dont adhere to the Citadels rules. per ME1 codex.

http://masseffect.wi...erminus_Systems

All EU stuff we have yet to see I bet. I mean how much of the real Terminus systems did we actually see? Or Citadel Space for that matter? Theres bound to be alot more.

Modifié par Armass81, 20 mars 2013 - 02:18 .

[Bill Casey]

Terminus Systems included

- Batarian Pirates and Slavers
- Mercenary Groups
- Omega
- Illium
- Quarians
- Geth
- Vorcha
- The Shadow Broker

[DWH1982]

For my head canon, I kind of combine what we see in ME2 with what the codex says in ME1.

The Terminus is a vast and diverse array of small, "minor" race dictatorships, criminals, warlords, merc groups, and C-Space exiles and breakaway colonies.

Modifié par DWH1982, 20 mars 2013 - 02:14 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Bill Casey wrote...

Terminus Systems included

- Batarian Pirates and Slavers
- Mercenary Groups
- Omega
- Illium
- Quarians
- Geth
- Vorcha
- The Shadow Broker

Actually, Illium was an Asari possession with relaxed customs laws due to its proximity to the Terminus systems. Which seems counter-intuitive, but since the Terminus apparently overflows with exotic, dangerous goods that people would love to get their hands on, exceptions were made for the sake of profit.

Also, am I the only one who thinks there are parallels between Nos Astra and Dubai? You know, the whole "appears glamourous and great on the outside but is actually seedy, unethical, and corrupt?"

[Bill Casey]

It's an unofficial Asari colony inside the Terminus Systems...
It's all privately owned companies with as much vested interest in the terminus space as council space...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 mars 2013 - 02:58 .

[WarGriffin]

The Terminus races still exists as they are still mentioned in the Codexs

You just never saw any of them cause most of them are isolated to thier home systems and are duking it out with each other. The council feared that having the fleet enter the Terminus space would be a sign of Council space expansion, and would unite them into a single organized threat.

Illium is just a frontier world for Council space
and Omega is the ass end of the galaxy where you go when you don't want to be found.

Th Batarian's aren't a Terminus system.

[Galbrant]

I do want to see the Terminus Systems as a potential Villain faction. It'll be good to have a overarching bad guy that isn't a giant cuttlefish of doom or a little boy from a crappy d movie.

[WarGriffin]

Essential if you count all of ME 1-3


We explored and saw mostly The Attican traverse and citadel space... Most of the Terminus system we explored were backwaters where the various merc groups hid thier stashes

[Bill Casey]

WarGriffin wrote...

Th Batarian's aren't a Terminus system.

I believe you want to say Batarian Space isn't in the Terminus Systems...
However, a crap ton of Batarian pirates and slavers are in the Terminus systems...

There was a even batarian warlord Essul who united a pirate army under his rule and blitzed 11 worlds...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 mars 2013 - 03:28 .

[WarGriffin]

Bill Casey wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Th Batarian's aren't a Terminus system.

I believe you want to say Batarian Space isn't in the Terminus Systems...
However, a crap ton of Batarian pirates and slavers are in the Terminus systems...

There was a even batarian warlord Essul who united a pirate army under his rule and blitzed 11 worlds...

Didn't he leave his pirate treasure in one piece?

[Gemini Freak]

Here's everything I could gather on the Terminus forces:

-Crap ton of Batarian slavers and pirates;
-Minor species united by their refusal to acknowledge Citadel rules;
-Criminal Warlords and dictators with their own soldiers;
-Aria T'Loak and her fleets;
-Blue Suns;
-Blood Pack;
-Eclipse;
-Any other merc groups we don't know about

So yeah, I'd say that the Terminus is quite threatening.

[SinerAthin]

The Council does not fear Terminus for its military prowess.

They fear it because it would be a ROYAL pain in the ass for any intergalatic trade, colonization and communication.

It is very unlikely that the Terminus factions would pose a threat to any Council held major world, but a conflict would nonetheless get a lot of innocent people and colinists killed, would cost big $$ to fund, and would be impossible to win in any cost-productive way.


The Council races could easily stomp out their fleets, but hunting them all down would be a looooong and grueling experience.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 20 mars 2013 - 12:06 .

[Village_Idiot]

The concern in ME1 was Council intrusion would galvanise the disparate factions in the Terminus into a united opposition. The ensuing war would likely go poorly for the Terminus, but would still be bloody for both sides. With a Geth war already on their hands, the Council didn't want to start another.

This was seemingly relaxed somewhat in ME2, where despite (possibly) being a Council Spectre, Shepard roams the Terminus freely. In fact, the Council wanted him/her to stay there, so as to reduce Shepard's presence given his/her Cerberus ties. The Cerberus Normandy SR-2 is also very much alike to the Alliance SR-1, and could cause confusion if seen in the Terminus (a similar situation is stated in Arrival with Batarian space).

To be frank, it seems the Terminus "threat" was retconned in ME2 to suit its setting, which seemingly invalidates the whole Normandy lockdown scenario in ME1. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Terminus as a backdrop to ME2. I just felt Shepard's sudden unrestricted access could have been handled better.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 20 mars 2013 - 12:39 .

[katamuro]

the problem with Terminus is that it would not be a stand up war. It would be underhanded, pirate, criminal and slaver all doing what they do best. Attack weak points, retreat from superior forces and undermine the governments.
Conventional armies dont work well against scattered unaffiliated groups. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan.

[Kabooooom]

David7204 wrote...

That's kind of a dumb assumption. There can't be fleets and armies in the Terminus System because Shepard doesn't see them?

This could have been said in a less ****** way, but it perfectly illustrates the logical fallacy in OPs post. So, OP, you're wron and this is why.