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[MegaSovereign]

Smudboy. Even his username sounds condescending.

[Han Shot First]

I'm half convinced that most of these 'Have you heard what Smudboy said?'   folks are actually Smudboy himself, posting under an alias. I just find it odd that these threads tend to be posted by members who just joined the forum and devote their first (and sometimes only) thread to a discussion of Smudboy's videos.

It doesn't pass the smell test.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 mars 2013 - 02:13 .

[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm actually rather pleased the people like Archangel and Smudboy didn't get an ending they want. They don't deserve it.

Why they don`t deserve it? You just sound like Starkid now, saying something, without giving explanation.

Like in one of my "bestest" scenes in the ending:

Shepard: "So who designed it?"  (the Crucible)
Starkid: "You would not know them, and there is not much time to explain"

Huh? EC gives explanations much? o.O

Previous organics from past cylces who are ultimately irrelevant to the plot at hand. 

Ah, you feel like museum are stupid then

[CronoDragoon]

o Ventus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Still waiting for anyone to counter my points concerning the Catalyst from like 4 pages back. There's plenty of reasons to still dislike the endings; there's no reason to keep latching onto "the Catalyst's logic sucks!" when it's been explained now.

The logic being explained doesn't give it pardon.

You'll have to be more specific; if the logic is fine then the problem isn't the logic but something else associated with the logic.

[CronoDragoon]

archangel1996 wrote...

Ah, you feel like museum are stupid then

A museum tour in the middle of Omaha beach would be stupid, yeah. I'd like to know more about the Crucible creators but it's really irrelevant to stopping the Reaper war.

[o Ventus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

You'll have to be more specific; if the logic is fine then the problem isn't the logic but something else associated with the logic.

I never said the logic was fine. It isn't.

The Catalyst and Leviathan both explain it now, but that doesn't make it any less bad. In fact, it arguably serves to exacerbate the problems (primarily that it's based on an implausible appeal to probability and is entirely self-fulfilling).

Modifié par o Ventus, 21 mars 2013 - 02:17 .

[BlameTheTank]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm half convinced that most of these 'Have you heard what Smudboy said?'   folks are actually Smudboy himself, posting under an alias. I just find it odd that these threads tend to be posted by members who just joined the forum and devote their first (and sometimes only) thread to a discussion of Smudboy's videos.

It doesn't pass the smell test.

YES, NO...DAMN.... you discovered our...my?.... conspiracy.... cuz I`m... we are many..... Legion? o.O

[Eterna]

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm actually rather pleased the people like Archangel and Smudboy didn't get an ending they want. They don't deserve it.

Why they don`t deserve it? You just sound like Starkid now, saying something, without giving explanation.

Like in one of my "bestest" scenes in the ending:

Shepard: "So who designed it?"  (the Crucible)
Starkid: "You would not know them, and there is not much time to explain"

Huh? EC gives explanations much? o.O

Previous organics from past cylces who are ultimately irrelevant to the plot at hand. 

Ah, you feel like museum are stupid then

I didn't say that at all. Stop putting words in my mouth. Knowing who originally created the crucible doesn't add anything crucial to the narrative. 

[CronoDragoon]

o Ventus wrote...

I never said the logic was fine. It isn't.

The Catalyst and Leviathan both explain it now, but that doesn't make it any less bad. In fact, it arguably serves to exacerbate the problems.

You're right, it's not that the logic is "fine" per se, but it does make sense as linear history, tracing the issue all the way back to the dominance of the Leviathans, and ending with the start of the Reaper cycle by the Catalyst. Since holes in logic have now been contexualized by backstory, it's no longer a hole in the writing and more a combination of weird alien logic and foolish programming incompetence.

It may be unsatisfying for people that the Reapers can ultimately be explained by the arrogance of one race of organics, but that isn't a logic problem.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 21 mars 2013 - 02:20 .

[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...
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You are right, knowing more about the thing that will stop the war is bad, very bad
Well, at least we know that who created it were not daltonic or maybe they were we will never know

[BlameTheTank]

CronoDragoon wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Ah, you feel like museum are stupid then

A museum tour in the middle of Omaha beach would be stupid, yeah. I'd like to know more about the Crucible creators but it's really irrelevant to stopping the Reaper war.

Well, the war was not an obstacle for a few days of shore leave of pure nonsense so such a relevant information as the designers of the crucible shouldn`t be less important. Btw. the war ends when the Kid says it ends, he controls the reapers after all, although they are "each a nation, independant, etc etc"

[Eterna]

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
...

You are right, knowing more about the thing that will stop the war is bad, very bad
Well, at least we know that who created it were not daltonic or maybe they were we will never know

I never said it was bad, do you even know how to have a proper conversation? It involves you not making **** up. 

[Eterna]

BlameTheTank wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Ah, you feel like museum are stupid then

A museum tour in the middle of Omaha beach would be stupid, yeah. I'd like to know more about the Crucible creators but it's really irrelevant to stopping the Reaper war.

Well, the war was not an obstacle for a few days of shore leave of pure nonsense so such a relevant information as the designers of the crucible shouldn`t be less important. Btw. the war ends when the Kid says it ends, he controls the reapers after all, although they are "each a nation, independant, etc etc"

Each Reaper technically is a nation with some degree of free will. 

[CronoDragoon]

BlameTheTank wrote...
Well, the war was not an obstacle for a few days of shore leave of pure nonsense so such a relevant information as the designers of the crucible shouldn`t be less important.

If for some reason you're going to try and attack the realism behind Citadel, then the Normandy was in for repairs. Done.

Btw. the war ends when the Kid says it ends, he controls the reapers after all, although they are "each a nation, independant, etc etc"

But how is it relevant who designed the Crucible in any way except intellectual curiosity?

[archangel1996]

CronoDragoon wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I never said the logic was fine. It isn't.

The Catalyst and Leviathan both explain it now, but that doesn't make it any less bad. In fact, it arguably serves to exacerbate the problems.

You're right, it's not that the logic is "fine" per se, but it does make sense as linear history, tracing the issue all the way back to the dominance of the Leviathans, and ending with the start of the Reaper cycle by the Catalyst. Since holes in logic have now been contexualized by backstory, it's no longer a hole in the writing and more a combination of weird alien logic and foolish programming incompetence.

It may be unsatisfying for people that the Reapers can ultimately be explained by the arrogance of one race of organics, but that isn't a logic problem.

A aprt from Yo dawg yo ecc
The Reapers, in our cycle and in the porthean cycle both, made that the machines turned against the organics(geth contacted by Sovereign)
And they indoctrinated the Racnhi BEFORE the beginning of the cycle, for no reason at all
Preserve organic life, by trying to destroy it before the problem shows up...GOOOOOOOD
And then there is the whole "My solution is not good anymore", 5 minutes before Harbinger let Shep live.......if we want take the canon seriously the only reason he did so was by the kiddo order so.....

Modifié par archangel1996, 21 mars 2013 - 02:26 .

[archangel1996]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
Well, the war was not an obstacle for a few days of shore leave of pure nonsense so such a relevant information as the designers of the crucible shouldn`t be less important.

If for some reason you're going to try and attack the realism behind Citadel, then the Normandy was in for repairs. Done.

Btw. the war ends when the Kid says it ends, he controls the reapers after all, although they are "each a nation, independant, etc etc"

But how is it relevant who designed the Crucible in any way except intellectual curiosity?

There is this big threat that can indoctrinate and destroy everything, you find this great schemes in a 50 years old ruins for stopping sayed threat and.....well go along, it's not fortuite or anything We have to base our defense all about this thing The best part? remeber"We live in the way they want us to live?" thing? Well the Catalys is the Citadel, the thing that the reapers made, very cleaver of the ones who build the Crucible :innocent:

[archangel1996]

Eterna5 wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
...

You are right, knowing more about the thing that will stop the war is bad, very bad
Well, at least we know that who created it were not daltonic or maybe they were we will never know

I never said it was bad, do you even know how to have a proper conversation? It involves you not making **** up. 

Always a pleasure

[CronoDragoon]

archangel1996 wrote...
A aprt from Yo dawg yo ecc

Apart from the meme that was always stupid and missed the point, yes.

The Reapers, in our cycle and in the porthean cycle both, made that the machines turned against the organics(geth contacted by Sovereign)

In some cases, yeah, the Reapers were responsible, usually as a means of gaining fodder for their side in the cycle.

And they indoctrinated the Racnhi BEFORE the beginning of the cycle, for no reason at all

What?

Preserve organic life, by trying to destroy it before the problem shows up...GOOOOOOOD

I've yet to see a case where the Reapers tried to completely destroy a race instead of harvest it.

And then there is the whole "My solution is not good anymore", 5 minutes before Harbinger let Shep live.......if we want take the canon seriously the only reason he did so was by the kiddo order so.....

His solution isn't good anymore. What's your point?

[The Heretic of Time]

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Liking a game or a company doesn't make someone a drone. Being completely blind to all and any flaws within that game, and defending said game or company to the death, is what makes someone a drone.

So... I'm not a drone then. Gotcha.

I know, I said I would drop it. Done now.

Yes you are. The next time you're droning I'll point it out to you.

I'm looking forward to your reply, in which you'll probably say "I'm really done now" for the 3rd time or something. 

[BlameTheTank]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
Well, the war was not an obstacle for a few days of shore leave of pure nonsense so such a relevant information as the designers of the crucible shouldn`t be less important.

If for some reason you're going to try and attack the realism behind Citadel, then the Normandy was in for repairs. Done.

Btw. the war ends when the Kid says it ends, he controls the reapers after all, although they are "each a nation, independant, etc etc"

But how is it relevant who designed the Crucible in any way except intellectual curiosity?

You know a story is bad when fans have to make up reasons for it cuz the simple analysis reveals it massive weak points... Just like you had to with:
" If for some reason you're going to try and attack the realism behind Citadel, then the Normandy was in for repairs. Done. "

Normandy was not in for repairs cuz it wasn`t damaged and if it was we should have been told that, instead we were given a flat to make a party in? With some nonsense clone mission. And we wasted few days for it while "we are losing millions every day on Earth" 
Please... It`s the same with the ending, it is stupid and poor and nothing will change that.

[Eterna]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Liking a game or a company doesn't make someone a drone. Being completely blind to all and any flaws within that game, and defending said game or company to the death, is what makes someone a drone.

So... I'm not a drone then. Gotcha.

I know, I said I would drop it. Done now.

Yes you are. The next time you're droning I'll point it out to you.

I'm looking forward to your reply, in which you'll probably say "I'm really done now" for the 3rd time or something. 

O Ventus is not a drone. You must be new here or something. 

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

I'm actually rather pleased the people like Archangel and Smudboy didn't get an ending they want. They don't deserve it.

Smudboy DID get the ending he wanted. He's having a field day with it.

[TheGreatDayne]

But... I LOVE my opinion! I don't want to listen to someone else's opinion/analysis!
D:< My opinion matter the most, for me!

[MegaSovereign]

You are a Drone!

And you sir!

Repent, the end is nigh!

[BlameTheTank]

CronoDragoon wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...
A aprt from Yo dawg yo ecc

Apart from the meme that was always stupid and missed the point, yes.

The Reapers, in our cycle and in the porthean cycle both, made that the machines turned against the organics(geth contacted by Sovereign)

In some cases, yeah, the Reapers were responsible, usually as a means of gaining fodder for their side in the cycle.

And they indoctrinated the Racnhi BEFORE the beginning of the cycle, for no reason at all

What?

Preserve organic life, by trying to destroy it before the problem shows up...GOOOOOOOD

I've yet to see a case where the Reapers tried to completely destroy a race instead of harvest it.

And then there is the whole "My solution is not good anymore", 5 minutes before Harbinger let Shep live.......if we want take the canon seriously the only reason he did so was by the kiddo order so.....

His solution isn't good anymore. What's your point?

Why is his solution not good anymore? Oh wait.... we don`t know....