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#276
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Eterna5 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Liking a game or a company doesn't make someone a drone. Being completely blind to all and any flaws within that game, and defending said game or company to the death, is what makes someone a drone.


So... I'm not a drone then. Gotcha.

I know, I said I would drop it. Done now.


Yes you are. The next time you're droning I'll point it out to you.

I'm looking forward to your reply, in which you'll probably say "I'm really done now" for the 3rd time or something. ^_^


O Ventus is not a drone. You must be new here or something. 

Yeah, Ventus is no drone.

Hanar, u mad or somtin?

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Eterna5 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Liking a game or a company doesn't make someone a drone. Being completely blind to all and any flaws within that game, and defending said game or company to the death, is what makes someone a drone.


So... I'm not a drone then. Gotcha.

I know, I said I would drop it. Done now.


Yes you are. The next time you're droning I'll point it out to you.

I'm looking forward to your reply, in which you'll probably say "I'm really done now" for the 3rd time or something. ^_^


O Ventus is not a drone. You must be new here or something. 


You should have seen him when me and a couple of others were criticizing ME2.

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BlameTheTank wrote...

You know a story is bad when fans have to make up reasons for it cuz the simple analysis reveals it massive weak points... Just like you had to with:
" If for some reason you're going to try and attack the realism behind Citadel, then the Normandy was in for repairs. Done. "

Normandy was not in for repairs cuz it wasn`t damaged and if it was we should have been told that, instead we were given a flat to make a party in? With some nonsense clone mission. And we wasted few days for it while "we are losing millions every day on Earth" 
Please... It`s the same with the ending, it is stupid and poor and nothing will change that.


Uh, the Normandy is in for repairs. That's literally what they say in Citadel.  Good job wasting keystrokes, though.

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Why is his solution not good anymore? Oh wait.... we don`t know....


Because the Crucible changed its conclusion about the effectiveness of the cycle. It's a synthetic, it  assigns preferences. It even presents you the ending choices in the order of what it prefers.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 21 mars 2013 - 02:44 .


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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You should have seen him when me and a couple of others were criticizing ME2.


So, disagreeing = drone?

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Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.


Somebody accepted the EC.  Somebody else didn't.

I think someone lost an ear in the process.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.

People are drones because they like stuff in Mass Effect... <_<

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dreamgazer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

You should have seen him when me and a couple of others were criticizing ME2.


So, disagreeing = drone?


No, being wilfully blind to the flaws of ME2 being pointed out and not providing actual counter-arguments against those flaws, yet still claiming ME2 is the best game evah = drone.

Edit: But honestly, I don't even care anymore. Maybe Ventus is a drone. Maybe he isn't. At least Ventus is not an ITer. I can at least respect him for that. :wizard:

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 mars 2013 - 02:50 .


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This has to be a troll thread, right? Like the OP asks for perspective from people who liked the EC and Citadel but then attacks every single response.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.


Somebody accepted the EC.  Somebody else didn't.

I think someone lost an ear in the process.

A lost ear? Did some crazy ITer pull a Van Gogh on himself or something?

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 21 mars 2013 - 02:51 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

Why is his solution not good anymore? Oh wait.... we don`t know....


Because the Crucible changed its conclusion about the effectiveness of the cycle. It's a synthetic, it  assigns preferences. It even presents you the ending choices in the order of what it prefers.


And you know that by speculating, he doesn`t tell us that. The fact that Shep is up there should not change anything, nor the crucible somehow build 2 more options on it`s own, they were in the plans. Yet the kid can`t operate the crucible which is "little more than a power source" and is attached to his home.

He presents destroy as 1st, he prefers that choice? So he made all the reapers over the billions of years "saving" other races by making goo that fills a reaper o.O but now he even tells you how to destroy them so it was all in vain...

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.


Somebody accepted the EC.  Somebody else didn't.

I think someone lost an ear in the process.

A lost ear? Did some crazy ITer pull a Van Gogh on himself or something?


Probably got tired of hearing that hum. 

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dreamgazer your signature keeps cracking me up every time I see it. I just wanted to point that out.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 mars 2013 - 02:55 .


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BlameTheTank wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why is his solution not good anymore? Oh wait.... we don`t know....


Because the Crucible changed its conclusion about the effectiveness of the cycle. It's a synthetic, it  assigns preferences. It even presents you the ending choices in the order of what it prefers.


And you know that by speculating, he doesn`t tell us that. The fact that Shep is up there should not change anything, nor the crucible somehow build 2 more options on it`s own, they were in the plans. Yet the kid can`t operate the crucible which is "little more than a power source" and is attached to his home.

He presents destroy as 1st, he prefers that choice? So he made all the reapers over the billions of years "saving" other races by making goo that fills a reaper o.O but now he even tells you how to destroy them so it was all in vain...




A little player agency doesn't hurt. Theories like IT were derived from observations made throughout the trilogy.  My literal interpretation of the ending takes into account Mass Effect's take on AIs and how their logic and decision making work. An example of this is when Legion is describing how the Heretics came to a different conclusion than the main Geth.

And no. I meant that the Catalyst talks about each choice from worst to best. He talks about his current solution first, then presents the other ones.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Having read only the last page or two, I have to say I have absolutely no idea what this thread is supposed to be about.


Somebody accepted the EC.  Somebody else didn't.

I think someone lost an ear in the process.


Wars have been started over lost ears before. TO THE BUNKER. 

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alsonamedbort wrote...

This has to be a troll thread, right? Like the OP asks for perspective from people who liked the EC and Citadel but then attacks every single response.


no this is just the internet

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dreamgazer your signature keeps cracking me up every time I see it. I just wanted to point that out.


THIS IS WHAT REMAINS.

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Erm, why would I watch something that might make me actively dislike something I'm just fine with? There are problems, sure, but I thought the EC was decent, and I have no wish to ruin my state of mind by focusing on all those issues.

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Yeah, I really disliked the original ending and I am happy with the EC, specifically Synthesis and Control. Frankly, I have no ethical problem exerting control or making decisions for the trillions of lives in the galaxy. The truth is, the thing that makes Shepard qualified to decide the fate of the entire Rachni species is the exact same thing that makes Shepard qualified to make the final decision of the game. Shepard is qualified because he/she is the person who makes it there. From the beacon on Eden Prime, throughout the entire trilogy, Shepard is the person who aggressively opposes the reapers and their agents. Making Shep a spectre is the official and lawful authorization to make these kind of decisions, but ultimately, the title doesn't matter as much as the reality that the rest of the galaxy's inability to do as much as Shep does is what makes Shep the most qualified person in the galaxy to make that kind of decision.

Also, I do not believe that the ending is a lie or a metaphor, I believe it at face value. I personally think that believing everything else in the game is "real" and that the end is a "metaphor" or a lie from the devs is a bit of desperate attempt to justify headcannon or whatever. I believe the devs, and ultimately the lore and dialog that is revealed by the catalyst. I think most people who dislike the ending simply don't like what they hear. The trilogy has spent so much time telling the audience "The reapers are cruel monsters and Shep will stop/destroy them" - so I think a lot of people cannot accept that the incredibly brutal harvest is not being done out of malice, but out of computer like programming. I think people rather believe that the reapers are still the mean bad guys who can be defeated by a space-marine with a good heart/bad attitude.

So yeah, I am willing to accept that the lore says the catalyst is this program who does not lie to Shep, and in fact, welcomes Shep's involvement as it changes the available options to solve the problem it was designed to solve.

I like the destroy ending, but I don't pick it, simply because it is not worth killing the Geth or EDI when the Synth/Control endings are so appealing to me. I really like the Synthesis ending where you see Kasumi and Keiji reuinited and you can see all the cast members synth'd up, like Samara with her daughter. I love that stufff, also EDI's narration of the synthesis ending is excellent.

In general, I'm pretty happy with EC because I still got a good bit of emotional catharsis and resolution. I will say, I still wish Priority Earth had been more like Collector Base, with the ability to designate teams and strategies for the different war assets. Alas, that will never be.

I also have no problem with Shep dying. If anything, Shep should die. Surviving the events of ME3's ending and returning to society seems really silly to me. You can't come back from something like that, saving the galaxy is a one way trip.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dreamgazer your signature keeps cracking me up every time I see it. I just wanted to point that out.


THIS IS WHAT REMAINS.


Do you think SuperMac would have predicted this when he wrote "speculations from everyone" at the bottom of his ME3-ending notes? :D

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 21 mars 2013 - 03:16 .


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Yeah, I really disliked the original ending and I am happy with the EC, specifically Synthesis and Control. Frankly, I have no ethical problem exerting control or making decisions for the trillions of lives in the galaxy. The truth is, the thing that makes Shepard qualified to decide the fate of the entire Rachni species is the exact same thing that makes Shepard qualified to make the final decision of the game. Shepard is qualified because he/she is the person who makes it there. From the beacon on Eden Prime, throughout the entire trilogy, Shepard is the person who aggressively opposes the reapers and their agents. Making Shep a spectre is the official and lawful authorization to make these kind of decisions, but ultimately, the title doesn't matter as much as the reality that the rest of the galaxy's inability to do as much as Shep does is what makes Shep the most qualified person in the galaxy to make that kind of decision.

Also, I do not believe that the ending is a lie or a metaphor, I believe it at face value. I personally think that believing everything else in the game is "real" and that the end is a "metaphor" or a lie from the devs is a bit of desperate attempt to justify headcannon or whatever. I believe the devs, and ultimately the lore and dialog that is revealed by the catalyst. I think most people who dislike the ending simply don't like what they hear. The trilogy has spent so much time telling the audience "The reapers are cruel monsters and Shep will stop/destroy them" - so I think a lot of people cannot accept that the incredibly brutal harvest is not being done out of malice, but out of computer like programming. I think people rather believe that the reapers are still the mean bad guys who can be defeated by a space-marine with a good heart/bad attitude.

So yeah, I am willing to accept that the lore says the catalyst is this program who does not lie to Shep, and in fact, welcomes Shep's involvement as it changes the available options to solve the problem it was designed to solve.

I like the destroy ending, but I don't pick it, simply because it is not worth killing the Geth or EDI when the Synth/Control endings are so appealing to me. I really like the Synthesis ending where you see Kasumi and Keiji reuinited and you can see all the cast members synth'd up, like Samara with her daughter. I love that stufff, also EDI's narration of the synthesis ending is excellent.

In general, I'm pretty happy with EC because I still got a good bit of emotional catharsis and resolution. I will say, I still wish Priority Earth had been more like Collector Base, with the ability to designate teams and strategies for the different war assets. Alas, that will never be.

I also have no problem with Shep dying. If anything, Shep should die. Surviving the events of ME3's ending and returning to society seems really silly to me. You can't come back from something like that, saving the galaxy is a one way trip.


Oh yeah, The Synthesis and how it`s impossible it would work the way they explained it lol
EDI doesn`t say anything meaningful tbh... 

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

A lost ear? Did some crazy ITer pull a Van Gogh on himself or something?


Lets just say its probably a good thing Bioware didn't keep those cupcakes...

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Erm, why would I watch something that might make me actively dislike something I'm just fine with? There are problems, sure, but I thought the EC was decent, and I have no wish to ruin my state of mind by focusing on all those issues.


They say ignorance is bliss. I guess in this case that is indeed very true.

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This thread is pretty unproductive.

End of line.