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[CronoDragoon]

BlameTheTank wrote...
Out of curiosity, what was in the EC that you wanna thank for? Few examples pls...

I'd like to thank Bioware for bridging numerous plot holes, for fixing the LI flashback issue, for adding dialogue wheels to the Catalyst dialogue and reworking basically the ENTIRE dialogue to make more sense, for adding the Normandy evac scene which in my book is the best scene in the entire Tali romance, for adding scenes of victorious planets celebrating, for the memorial scene and showing the Normandy leaving the jungle planet (quelling the interpretation that they are stuck there to fend for themselves) for taking out the destruction of the relays and explicitly saying that being merely disabled they can be quickly repaired, and finally for removing the gaudy "Buy DLC" final screen for one thanking the fans.

All for free.

[CronoDragoon]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

it is solid, constructive criticism to point out where the narrative and game have problems and where they contradict established lore. this is quality control. it is possible that the devs oversaw those problem,s because they are "too close to the screen".

There's nothing constructive about "crap is crap." If you're serious about bringing constructive criticism about the ME endings then be constructive and be serious about it.

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

it is solid, constructive criticism to point out where the narrative and game have problems and where they contradict established lore. this is quality control. it is possible that the devs oversaw those problem,s because they are "too close to the screen".

There's nothing constructive about "crap is crap." If you're serious about bringing constructive criticism about the ME endings then be constructive and be serious about it.

"crap is crap" was meant to be metaphorical.

crap does not turn into icecream if you wait long enough.

[JamesFaith]

BlameTheTank wrote...

And it seems people let themselves be cheated by the EC and Citadel to the point that they stopped questioning the endings, stopped caring, whatever. Some seems to believe BW redeemed themselves with the EC and Citadel when all it was was playing on cheap emotions in hope to cover the poop the ending of the great series is.

I tell you secret - people who didn't like ending had different reasons for it.

And when your problem with ending wasn't solved, their problems maybe were. It is simple, you just need to accept fact that your opinion isn't universal for everyone.

[SiriusXI]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

 

smudboy

Oh dear.

Don't hate on Smudboy. That guy is awesome. His attention to detail and his knowledge about the codes and lore of the Mass Effect universe is phenomenal. He is quite nitpicky and doesn't have much love for the ME3 endings, but that does not make his criticism invalid.

[Dr_Extrem]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

why should i throw away my old games? i really like dragon age, mass effect, baldurs gate, knights of the old republic and neverwinder nights. hell those are games i actually finished and replayed.

you brought up the word hate. i dont hate the endings. i cant just overlook the lore inconsistancies and other problems that are scatterd throughout the game. i in fact, love mass effect - thats the only reason i am still posting here. if i would hate the game, i would play something different right now - and not mass effect 3.


it is solid, constructive criticism to point out where the narrative and game have problems and where they contradict established lore. this is quality control. it is possible that the devs oversaw those problem,s because they are "too close to the screen".

You're right there, but that's not what you're doing. You're merely calling something "crap."

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

it is solid, constructive criticism to point out where the narrative and game have problems and where they contradict established lore. this is quality control. it is possible that the devs oversaw those problem,s because they are "too close to the screen".

There's nothing constructive about "crap is crap." If you're serious about bringing constructive criticism about the ME endings then be constructive and be serious about it.

"crap is crap" was meant to be metaphorical.

crap does not turn into icecream if you wait long enough.

i only wanted to make clear, that something does not get better, if you wait long enough .. mass effect is static.

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 20 mars 2013 - 07:38 .

[Kabooooom]

Dumb thread is dumb

[Zjarcal]

So... after I watch those videos I will understand the meaning of life and world peace will be achieved? Mmmkay.

ALL HAIL THE OP

[CronoDragoon]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

"Our view" on anything subjective is the only thing that matters. Therefore, Mass Effect is not static.

This is especially true for video games, which can become outdated in ways that movies and books cannot. In other ways, a game's story like Silent Hill 2 can become MORE appreciated over time.

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

"Our view" on anything subjective is the only thing that matters. Therefore, Mass Effect is not static.

This is especially true for video games, which can become outdated in ways that movies and books cannot. In other ways, a game's story like Silent Hill 2 can become MORE appreciated over time.

but mass effect does not change on an objective plane. it stays as it is - as long, as the devs do not alter it.

what changes is our view on it. our view on older games is altered by experiencing new games, stories and tech.

[Cainhurst Crow]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

So... after I watch those videos I will understand the meaning of life and world peace will be achieved? Mmmkay.

ALL HAIL THE OP

Duh, 42.

But what is the question that must never be answered?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 20 mars 2013 - 07:51 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

"Our view" on anything subjective is the only thing that matters. Therefore, Mass Effect is not static.

This is especially true for video games, which can become outdated in ways that movies and books cannot. In other ways, a game's story like Silent Hill 2 can become MORE appreciated over time.

but mass effect does not change on an objective plane. it stays as it is - as long, as the devs do not alter it.

what changes is our view on it. our view on older games is altered by experiencing new games, stories and tech.

What is your point? The entire ability to observe anything in the world is done purley through our perspectives. There is not some objective way of looking at something that doesn't invovled looking at it using our past experiences, ideas, and thoughts. That is how our outlooks on things are formed, how our outlooks change.

Take Vincient van gogh's paintings for example. They were considered horrible in his time, but later came to be appreciated as something good. That was done through a change of how people viewed art and what was considered beautiful and 'good' in art.

So you saying "crap is crap" and following immediatly by saying that only peoples perceptions change, is a complete paradox and contridiction, because your statement of it being crap is merely a perspective that is subject to change with time.

[Riot86]

Eterna5 wrote...

No. **** you and smudboy..

Insulting the OP because you don't agree with him? Very mature indeed...

[CDS923]

He's trying too hard to be Yahtzee. Turned me off immediately.

[10K]

Atleast it wasn't clevernoob.

[Dr_Extrem]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

"Our view" on anything subjective is the only thing that matters. Therefore, Mass Effect is not static.

This is especially true for video games, which can become outdated in ways that movies and books cannot. In other ways, a game's story like Silent Hill 2 can become MORE appreciated over time.

but mass effect does not change on an objective plane. it stays as it is - as long, as the devs do not alter it.

what changes is our view on it. our view on older games is altered by experiencing new games, stories and tech.

What is your point? The entire ability to observe anything in the world is done purley through our perspectives. There is not some objective way of looking at something that doesn't invovled looking at it using our past experiences, ideas, and thoughts. That is how our outlooks on things are formed, how our outlooks change.

Take Vincient van gogh's paintings for example. They were considered horrible in his time, but later came to be appreciated as something good. That was done through a change of how people viewed art and what was considered beautiful and 'good' in art.

So you saying "crap is crap" and following immediatly by saying that only peoples perceptions change, is a complete paradox and contridiction, because your statement of it being crap is merely a perspective that is subject to change with time.

nope .. the ability to deem something as acceptable (or not) is affected by our perspective - not the observation itself.

van gogh's pictures are stiil the same.


the crap is crap statement was metaphorical

[Lenimph]

You know what's the best way to persuade people to a certain side of the argument?

Insulting them! That will totally work! That idea is just as hefty, virile, and amazing as the OP's genitalia!

[BlameTheTank]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
Out of curiosity, what was in the EC that you wanna thank for? Few examples pls...

I'd like to thank Bioware for bridging numerous plot holes, for fixing the LI flashback issue, for adding dialogue wheels to the Catalyst dialogue and reworking basically the ENTIRE dialogue to make more sense, for adding the Normandy evac scene which in my book is the best scene in the entire Tali romance, for adding scenes of victorious planets celebrating, for the memorial scene and showing the Normandy leaving the jungle planet (quelling the interpretation that they are stuck there to fend for themselves) for taking out the destruction of the relays and explicitly saying that being merely disabled they can be quickly repaired, and finally for removing the gaudy "Buy DLC" final screen for one thanking the fans.

All for free.

sooo you want to thank for
1. Fixing some plot holes while making new ones
2. Reworking Catalyst dialogue which still makes no sense
3. Adding Normandy evac scene which makes no sense 
4. Adding blood on Tali, who would no be able to survive that
5. I didn`t see any scenes of planets celebrating, just few meaningles pictures of some people standing/sitting
6. Normandy leaving a planet (where to) on which it crash landed (why?) 

So what exactly did the ending fix for you?

[Zjarcal]

Lenimph wrote...

You know what's the best way to persuade people to a certain side of the argument?

Insulting them! That will totally work! That idea is just as hefty, virile, and amazing as the OP's genitalia!

Well, clearly the OP's genitalia needs a serious buff. :innocent:

[Khelish]

BlameTheTank wrote...


4. Adding blood on Tali, who would no be able to survive that

Nope.

We evac her.

SR2 has a med bay, in case you forgot.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

only our view on it might alter over time but not the game.

"Our view" on anything subjective is the only thing that matters. Therefore, Mass Effect is not static.

This is especially true for video games, which can become outdated in ways that movies and books cannot. In other ways, a game's story like Silent Hill 2 can become MORE appreciated over time.

but mass effect does not change on an objective plane. it stays as it is - as long, as the devs do not alter it.

what changes is our view on it. our view on older games is altered by experiencing new games, stories and tech.

What is your point? The entire ability to observe anything in the world is done purley through our perspectives. There is not some objective way of looking at something that doesn't invovled looking at it using our past experiences, ideas, and thoughts. That is how our outlooks on things are formed, how our outlooks change.

Take Vincient van gogh's paintings for example. They were considered horrible in his time, but later came to be appreciated as something good. That was done through a change of how people viewed art and what was considered beautiful and 'good' in art.

So you saying "crap is crap" and following immediatly by saying that only peoples perceptions change, is a complete paradox and contridiction, because your statement of it being crap is merely a perspective that is subject to change with time.

nope .. the ability to deem something as acceptable (or not) is affected by our perspective - not the observation itself.

van gogh's pictures are stiil the same.


the crap is crap statement was metaphorical

Yes, but you stated from your post that the endings were objectively 'crap' or bad. When it being bad or not is purley perspective.

[Dr_Extrem]

Khelish wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...


4. Adding blood on Tali, who would no be able to survive that

Nope.

We evac her.

SR2 has a med bay, in case you forgot.

off course its not the blood loss that is going to kill her - its the billions of microorganisms / gramm of soil.

blood on her suit imply heavy suit damage. heavy suit damage means, exposure to earth and dirt. earth and dirt contain billions of microorganisms / gram. this leads to an allergic reation on talis skin (if she is lucky) or to a full blown infection if this gets into her bloodstream.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Khelish wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...


4. Adding blood on Tali, who would no be able to survive that

Nope.

We evac her.

SR2 has a med bay, in case you forgot.

off course its not the blood loss that is going to kill her - its the billions of microorganisms / gramm of soil.

blood on her suit imply heavy suit damage. heavy suit damage means, exposure to earth and dirt. earth and dirt contain billions of microorganisms / gram. this leads to an allergic reation on talis skin (if she is lucky) or to a full blown infection if this gets into her bloodstream.

Yes, which is why they need to get her to sick bay and start decontaminating her immediatly while her suits own defenses managed to hold off the allergic reaction in what limited way it can.