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[Mr.House]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
The blast from the Normandy would kill everyone near it, including Shepard. Harbinger also shoots extreamly fast. It's a plothole.

Everyone near it, which wasn't near the beam.

And no, a plothole isn't "this is a crappy reason for this scene."

Remeber that cruiser at the start of ME3 where the blast went so far it even impacted Shepard and Anderson? A frightrer would have a smaller blast radius but it would still be massive.  In one shot Harbinger could wipe out everyone going towards the beam and possible Major Coats with the impact raidus is big enough.

That isn't the same type of situation. One was firing on a ship, a very large ship high in the air, which than exploded, and thus caused the shockwave from that explosion.

A shockwave, that almost killed Shepard and Anderson, they wherel ucky there was an incline they could sled down or they would have fell hard on the ground like a pancake.

[Yestare7]

BlameTheTank wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...







This is all your opinion. 
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank BW for the EC!!:lol:

Out of curiosity, what was in the EC that you wanna thank for? Few examples pls...

-The mass relays not being completely destroyed
-The Normandy only slightly damaged, taking off
-More explanations
-Another scene with Liara<3<3<3

Modifié par Yestare7, 20 mars 2013 - 10:21 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
The blast from the Normandy would kill everyone near it, including Shepard. Harbinger also shoots extreamly fast. It's a plothole.

Everyone near it, which wasn't near the beam.

And no, a plothole isn't "this is a crappy reason for this scene."

Remeber that cruiser at the start of ME3 where the blast went so far it even impacted Shepard and Anderson? A frightrer would have a smaller blast radius but it would still be massive.  In one shot Harbinger could wipe out everyone going towards the beam and possible Major Coats with the impact raidus is big enough.

That isn't the same type of situation. One was firing on a ship, a very large ship high in the air, which than exploded, and thus caused the shockwave from that explosion.

A shockwave, that almost killed Shepard and Anderson, they wherel ucky there was an incline they could sled down or they would have fell hard on the ground like a pancake.

Almost killed? That's not what I rememberd.

I remembered it simply knocked them back about 2 steps and casued the debris they were standing on to come loose.

[BlameTheTank]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
You see the thing is, the EC didn`t help with anything - Catalyst and all his reasoning makes still no sense, all his motivation makes no sense. Normandy scene makes little sense - how it happened and the reason it happened.
Blood on Tali, another example why EC didn`t help with anything, just made it more "huh". Normandy crashes on the planet even when Edi lives. It is too much stuff to write man, if you want watch or rewatch the vids I posted at the beginning, listen to it carefully and then tell me the EC fixed anything. Cuz it didn`t....

If you want to claim the Catalyst didn't make sense, then I want you to post reasoning behind this claim, so we can discuss it. I am of the opinion that the EC Catalyst dialogue makes much more sense, and maybe I can help you there if you're still confused about it. That's one of the purposes of message boards, right?

Good point about the Normandy crashing no matter what. For the record I believe they should have just removed the jungle planet scene. Still, it is a notable improvement that they eliminated the "dark age for thousands of years, Normandy crew lives on that planet till they die and/or start a colony there" interpretation of the OEs, which I found unbearably depressing.

That combined with retconning the relay destruction are big reasons why the EC is an improvement. Saying "the EC didn't fix anything" is analogous to saying that you didn't care if the interpretation I suggested above was true, that you don't care that the relay destruction means isolation and starvation for billions of people across the galaxy that formerly depended on the relays for economic sustainability.

The EC didn't fix some things, some important things mind you, but there's no reason to hyperbolize and claim it didn't do anything, because that just makes me and more importantly BioWare tune you out.

There is no point writing what doesn`t make sense about the Catalyst cuz basically all he says it`s total BS.
It would take ages to write it all down. That`s why I posted the vids again, it`s all here
 

Starting at about 4:00

So how much would your reasons have differed from those of smudboy's? Or are they one in the same?

My doubts and questions are basically covered by his vid. Are you telling me his and/or mine interpretation of what the kid is saying and what it means and how it could have been easily avoided is wrong? Cuz I spent some time on it, and the questions seem valid to me.

[Mr.House]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Almost killed? That's not what I rememberd.

I remembered it simply knocked them back about 2 steps and casued the debris they were standing on to come loose.

They sruvived because there was an incline, it was not a drop. If it was a drop Shepard and Anderson would have died.That's just a shockwave.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Almost killed? That's not what I rememberd.

I remembered it simply knocked them back about 2 steps and casued the debris they were standing on to come loose.

They sruvived because there was an incline, it was not a drop. If it was a drop Shepard and Anderson would have died.That's just a shockwave.

And would happen if there wa just flat ground? You know, like the earth scene has?

I'm not understanding how the shockwave would kill them, if there is not great height to fall from.

[AlanC9]

BlameTheTank wrote...


There is no point writing what doesn`t make sense about the Catalyst cuz basically all he says it`s total BS.
It would take ages to write it all down. That`s why I posted the vids again, it`s all here
 

Starting at about 4:00

So if you want to talk about why Smudboy's wrong about something, first you have to watch his vids, then retype that part of  his argument so everyone else knows which part you're talking about , and then make an argument?

Funny how that never happens. These threads are always worthless.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 mars 2013 - 10:28 .

[archangel1996]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Almost killed? That's not what I rememberd.

I remembered it simply knocked them back about 2 steps and casued the debris they were standing on to come loose.

They sruvived because there was an incline, it was not a drop. If it was a drop Shepard and Anderson would have died.That's just a shockwave.

And would happen if there wa just flat ground? You know, like the earth scene has?

I'm not understanding how the shockwave would kill them, if there is not great height to fall from.

neck breaking?

[Dr_Extrem]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Almost killed? That's not what I rememberd.

I remembered it simply knocked them back about 2 steps and casued the debris they were standing on to come loose.

They sruvived because there was an incline, it was not a drop. If it was a drop Shepard and Anderson would have died.That's just a shockwave.

And would happen if there wa just flat ground? You know, like the earth scene has?

I'm not understanding how the shockwave would kill them, if there is not great height to fall from.

those who were not mutilated, vapourised, smashed or killed by the blast/debris, would have been knocked down by the shockwave.
the knocked down soldiers would be shellshocked and most likely confused and disoriented. they whould have been easy targets for harbys guns.

[CronoDragoon]

BlameTheTank wrote...
My doubts and questions are basically covered by his vid. Are you telling me his and/or mine interpretation of what the kid is saying and what it means and how it could have been easily avoided is wrong? Cuz I spent some time on it, and the questions seem valid to me.

I don't know about wrong in their entirety, but despite that video being made after Leviathan he sure has a hard time understand the new way that Leviathan frames the Catalyst's backstory.

Example: Smudboy's first argument against the Catalyst is that conflict is inevitable between all beings, and that it doesn't make sense for the Catalyst to single out organics vs. synthetics. Therefore the Catalyst's logic sucks.

That's missing the point of Leviathan. When the Leviathans ruled the lesser organic races were enthralled, and so the only real conflict occurred when those lesser races created synthetics which destroyed them. So it actually makes complete sense for the Leviathans to program the Catalyst to deal specifically with organic/synthetic conflict, since all other types of conflict were made obselete when the Leviathans ruled.

This is why you need to post your own arguments so that we can talk about it instead of just linking a video. A lot of things will make sense when you listen to self-important grandstanding with no one to offer rebuttals.

[GimmeDaGun]

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

[archangel1996]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
My doubts and questions are basically covered by his vid. Are you telling me his and/or mine interpretation of what the kid is saying and what it means and how it could have been easily avoided is wrong? Cuz I spent some time on it, and the questions seem valid to me.

I don't know about wrong in their entirety, but despite that video being made after Leviathan he sure has a hard time understand the new way that Leviathan frames the Catalyst's backstory.

Example: Smudboy's first argument against the Catalyst is that conflict is inevitable between all beings, and that it doesn't make sense for the Catalyst to single out organics vs. synthetics. Therefore the Catalyst's logic sucks.

That's missing the point of Leviathan. When the Leviathans ruled the lesser organic races were enthralled, and so the only real conflict occurred when those lesser races created synthetics which destroyed them. So it actually makes complete sense for the Leviathans to program the Catalyst to deal specifically with organic/synthetic conflict, since all other types of conflict were made obselete when the Leviathans ruled.

This is why you need to post your own arguments so that we can talk about it instead of just linking a video. A lot of things will make sense when you listen to self-important grandstanding with no one to offer rebuttals.

Ah, so Sovereign went to the geth and made them fight the organics because....mmmm...well
And, well, the Reapers indoctrinated the Rachni and amde them fight the Council because well... organics.will evantually die, screw the consequences!
Leviathan add nothing more than a person with a fuctioning brain can understand by him/herself
Actually if you play Leviathan before Thessia Shepard comes out even more dumb!

[archangel1996]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

And you wasted your time by coming here and actually writing a post why?
Somehow i knew you liked the ending even before you sayed it...strange

Modifié par archangel1996, 20 mars 2013 - 10:35 .

[CronoDragoon]

archangel1996 wrote...
Leviathan add nothing more than a person with a fuctioning brain can understand by him/herself

Not true. Before Leviathan and the EC, we had no real way of knowing whether organic/synthetic inevitable conflict was a conclusion based on gathered data or a premise programmed into the Catalyst. Leviathan made it clear that the latter was the case, which ALSO made it clear that BioWare never intended the Catalyst to be the Word of God (the writers) as was suspected in the original endings; he is now clearly a product of Mass Effect's history, not merely a mouthpiece for the writers.

[BlameTheTank]

CronoDragoon wrote...

BlameTheTank wrote...
My doubts and questions are basically covered by his vid. Are you telling me his and/or mine interpretation of what the kid is saying and what it means and how it could have been easily avoided is wrong? Cuz I spent some time on it, and the questions seem valid to me.

I don't know about wrong in their entirety, but despite that video being made after Leviathan he sure has a hard time understand the new way that Leviathan frames the Catalyst's backstory.

Example: Smudboy's first argument against the Catalyst is that conflict is inevitable between all beings, and that it doesn't make sense for the Catalyst to single out organics vs. synthetics. Therefore the Catalyst's logic sucks.

That's missing the point of Leviathan. When the Leviathans ruled the lesser organic races were enthralled, and so the only real conflict occurred when those lesser races created synthetics which destroyed them. So it actually makes complete sense for the Leviathans to program the Catalyst to deal specifically with organic/synthetic conflict, since all other types of conflict were made obselete when the Leviathans ruled.

This is why you need to post your own arguments so that we can talk about it instead of just linking a video. A lot of things will make sense when you listen to self-important grandstanding with no one to offer rebuttals.

So synthetics were a threat to organics that could end in the destruction of organics. And as Smud says later, the only thing the Catalyst came up with was to kill (I`m sorry - Preserve) the organics? He couldn`t destroy/influence the synthetics? Even though Leviathans created  Catalyst, they could do nothing to stop him?

So if destruction of organics is a problem how destruction of organics is a solution to that problem (destruction) Wait what?

[BlameTheTank]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

Yet you come here and post in a thread made by a lifeless nerd cuz you have... better things to do.... Seems legit.

[CronoDragoon]

BlameTheTank wrote...
So if destruction of organics is a problem how destruction of organics is a solution to that problem (destruction) Wait what?

Because the Catalyst isn't "destroying" the organics; he sees Reapers as preserving life. The fatal flaw in his programming is that what he was - specifically - to preserve wasn't defined clearly enough. The way he sees it, imprinting organic minds into a synthetic mind and filling it with organic DNA is preserving life.

The Leviathans are a species characterized by their arrogance, their thinking that what may apply to lesser forms of life does not apply to them. "Clearly, synthetics turned on our thrall species because our  thrall species are morons who can't program correctly or take care of themselves! Do we have to do EVERYTHING around here, GAWD." So they programmed a synthetic and, as it turns out, sucked at it.

In essence, a lot of what Smudboy complains about isn't the logic of the writers, but complaining that the Leviathans are arrogant and foolish or that the Catalyst's logic is evil and immoral and inhumane. WHICH IS ALL TRUE AND MEANT TO BE TRUE.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 mars 2013 - 10:47 .

[GimmeDaGun]

archangel1996 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

And you wasted your time by coming here and actually writing a post why?
Somehow i knew you liked the ending even before you sayed it...strange

First read the title of the thread, then add the fact that I like the ending... I think it's pretty clear why I came here and read the OP: it was addressing me (and others who like the ending). So I felt like answering. Is it a problem?

It's not me who's so obsessed with this last year topic and ME in general so much... I'm fine with the game as it is, with all its flaws and I don't feel the need to explain myself to anyone (especially when it comes to my level of intelligence which you happened to question even if in a subtle way). I'm almost thirty, I'm a doctor, I have family and friends to care about, and I have my duties... I'm a fan of this game, but I have much more important things in my life than making boring and nitpicking videos about something I dislike, especially if it is such a marginally important thing as a simple game. 

[archangel1996]

CronoDragoon wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...
Leviathan add nothing more than a person with a fuctioning brain can understand by him/herself

Not true. Before Leviathan and the EC, we had no real way of knowing whether organic/synthetic inevitable conflict was a conclusion based on gathered data or a premise programmed into the Catalyst. Leviathan made it clear that the latter was the case, which ALSO made it clear that BioWare never intended the Catalyst to be the Word of God (the writers) as was suspected in the original endings; he is now clearly a product of Mass Effect's history, not merely a mouthpiece for the writers.

I can't reallt understand this, but i udnerstand thay you cut from my post the things you can not give an examplanation

[Nykara]

How do I 'accept' the endings? I don't take them at face value. I don't believe events happened as they would appear to have happened. I am not sure I believe in IT but I do believe that there is *something* in there that might suggest the events are not entirely real or that the story, Shepards story is not entirely done yet and that Bioware still has plans for this character ( just not in the next game ). Yes, there I said it. I do believe there will be one more chapter to Shepards story in a few years time, regardless as to some people saying otherwise. I think Bioware is attempting to trick us in to believing Shepard is dead, or Sheps story is over and then slapping us with a surprise.

[archangel1996]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

And you wasted your time by coming here and actually writing a post why?
Somehow i knew you liked the ending even before you sayed it...strange

First read the title of the thread, then add the fact that I like the ending... I think it's pretty clear why I came here and read the OP: it was addressing me (and others who like the ending). So I felt like answering. Is it a problem?

It's not me who's so obsessed with this last year topic and ME in general so much... I'm fine with the game as it is, with all its flaws and I don't feel the need to explain myself to anyone (especially when it comes to my level of intelligence which you happened to question even if in a subtle way). I'm almost thirty, I'm a doctor, I have family and friends to care about, and I have my duties... I'm a fan of this game, but I have much more important things in my life than making boring and nitpicking videos about something I dislike, especially if it is such a marginally important thing as a simple game. 

[CronoDragoon]

archangel1996 wrote...
I can't reallt understand this, but i udnerstand thay you cut from my post the things you can not give an examplanation

Since you brought it up, I cut those things from your post because I had no idea what point you were trying to make. So Sovereign recruited geth to be his shock troops.....and? What point of mine were you countering?

[GimmeDaGun]

BlameTheTank wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

Yet you come here and post in a thread made by a lifeless nerd cuz you have... better things to do.... Seems legit.

You got me wrong. The "lifeless nerd" and the rest of the ad hominem wasn't addressing you, but it was for Smudboy. 

And yeah, I have better things to do... right now I'm just wasting some time before going ot bed...

[daaaav]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Not again this overanalytic, nitpicking, lifeless nerd who can't deal with a freaking game's ending after a year of its release. Smudboy should get a real job and a girl for himself instead of living his life in a virtual sci-fi universe... I can't believe that this is so important to some...

And yes I like the ending post-EC... and I have better things to do than constantly thinking about the ending of a game trilogy.

And you wasted your time by coming here and actually writing a post why?
Somehow i knew you liked the ending even before you sayed it...strange

First read the title of the thread, then add the fact that I like the ending... I think it's pretty clear why I came here and read the OP: it was addressing me (and others who like the ending). So I felt like answering. Is it a problem?

It's not me who's so obsessed with this last year topic and ME in general so much... I'm fine with the game as it is, with all its flaws and I don't feel the need to explain myself to anyone (especially when it comes to my level of intelligence which you happened to question even if in a subtle way). I'm almost thirty, I'm a doctor, I have family and friends to care about, and I have my duties... I'm a fan of this game, but I have much more important things in my life than making boring and nitpicking videos about something I dislike, especially if it is such a marginally important thing as a simple game. 

No, you make a boarderline hysterical rant post instead...

Did you even notice the point on these boards where even the slightest hint of critisism of ME3 draws mountains of vitriolic bull****?