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[MaxShine]

upinya slayin wrote...
honestly i don't feel like reading 12 pages to find it. i can care less if you believe me. its already been proven and thos of us here on BSN who read thrugh all of it before and had the discussion know that its true. if you don't want to believe me thats fine by me

Ok, I will start with a facepalm and then laugh at you, ok? Nobody believes the stuff you just made up, nobody... But it is ok, you lack mental capacity and reading comprehension... So it can be forgiven that you are not able to understand what was said in the other thread

[Kaall]

upinya slayin wrote...

Kaall wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Right.  Someone on PC would need to record a match where they restrict their turns as if they were playing with an XBox controller.

Is there absolutely no way to plug a mouse and keyboard on an Xbox 360 or PS3 ?

nope, however i do have an adapter to use my xbox controller on my laptop

Well i was ready to quote myself and said i found a way but you ansered in the mean time, consollers can buy this :

http://www.xconsoles...-XFRAG-360.html

Apparently it let's you plug usb and ps2 mouse and keyboard and even dualshock2 into a xbox 360.

price isn't cheap though.

Does anyone knows if it work ?

Modifié par Kaall, 21 mars 2013 - 04:37 .

[upinya slayin]

Feneckus wrote...

To everyone saying 30 FPS on consoles is not the same as 30 FPS on PC, answer me this.

ME is an xbox game. It was just a port on PC, it's not a true PC game.

There's no text chat.

Graphics are meh for a PC game.

It's not really mod friendly.

The omni button makes sense on consoles because a controller only has so many buttons, but why have it on PC when we have keyboards ?

So do you really think they would ignore all that while going through all the trouble of changing one of the core mechanics of the game ? That doesn't make any sense.

upinya slayin wrote...

false. it was proven in the other fraemrate thread that weapon damage scales to FPS as well. the higher the FPS the more damage you do

Bull****.

The reason why it seems weapons do more damage on PC is because we don't aim for the knees 

why cap the framrate at 62 if it was made to run at 30. why not cap it at 32 instead?

we don't have answers as to why the game is the way it is other then its BWs 1st MP game

[Zero132132]

Feneckus wrote...

To everyone saying 30 FPS on consoles is not the same as 30 FPS on PC, answer me this.

ME is an xbox game. It was just a port on PC, it's not a true PC game.

There's no text chat.

Graphics are meh for a PC game.

It's not really mod friendly.

The omni button makes sense on consoles because a controller only has so many buttons, but why have it on PC when we have keyboards ?

So do you really think they would ignore all that while going through all the trouble of changing one of the core mechanics of the game ? That doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense, but it's abundantly clear that it is the case. The way that enemies behave and track in that video at 30 FPS isn't even close to how they behave on console. Honestly, before seeing this, I didn't think there probably was a difference, and I figured enemy tracking was just worse on Xbox, but the video makes it absolutely clear that it isn't the case.

Seriously, I'm not basing this off of some weird defensiveness about console vs. PC. The gameplay just looks completely different.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Kaall wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Right.  Someone on PC would need to record a match where they restrict their turns as if they were playing with an XBox controller.

Is there absolutely no way to plug a mouse and keyboard on an Xbox 360 or PS3 ?

I'm pretty sure it's a hard restriction the console version places on the game controls.  It's not that the controller configuration makes it physically difficult or awkward to turn the camera while running, it's that it's literally impossible to do so. 

[RedJohn]

I capped the framerate on my GF's laptop to 30 just to feel the difference after play at 60 FPS...

To be sincere someone must be very idiot to cap the framerate @ 30 FPS if can play @60 FPS, rather than making AI less accurate what you are really doing is screwing your aiming.

But I guess that depends on the level of the player, for me the game doesn't become easier when I play @30 FPS, it becomes slightly harder because of my aiming, playing @60 FPS is so awesome, so fluid that even with a small laptop mouse is so freaking easy to aim, and I couldn't do that on my PC.


But I don't know, maybe for a terrible player capping the FPS might result in an easier game because anyway they suck so they have to make the AI dumber :/

[megawug]

upinya slayin wrote...

i never said easier. the game gets harder at higher FPS cause enemies are more aggressive and accurate but your wepaons do more damage too

Caratinoid doesn't say this anywhere in the OP.  Where are you getting this from?  And based on what?

[CmnDwnWrkn]

upinya slayin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

To everyone saying 30 FPS on consoles is not the same as 30 FPS on PC, answer me this.

ME is an xbox game. It was just a port on PC, it's not a true PC game.

There's no text chat.

Graphics are meh for a PC game.

It's not really mod friendly.

The omni button makes sense on consoles because a controller only has so many buttons, but why have it on PC when we have keyboards ?

So do you really think they would ignore all that while going through all the trouble of changing one of the core mechanics of the game ? That doesn't make any sense.

upinya slayin wrote...

false. it was proven in the other fraemrate thread that weapon damage scales to FPS as well. the higher the FPS the more damage you do

Bull****.

The reason why it seems weapons do more damage on PC is because we don't aim for the knees 

why cap the framrate at 62 if it was made to run at 30. why not cap it at 32 instead?

we don't have answers as to why the game is the way it is other then its BWs 1st MP game

It may be sheer laziness or incompetence.  The 62 fps max limit is the default for the unreal engine.  So this would be the setting right out of the box if the developer did nothing to alter it.  It's quite possible the default settings are present in all versions of the game, and it's the console hardware that is effectively capping the fps.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 21 mars 2013 - 04:47 .

[MaxShine]

megawug wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i never said easier. the game gets harder at higher FPS cause enemies are more aggressive and accurate but your wepaons do more damage too

Caratinoid doesn't say this anywhere in the OP.  Where are you getting this from?  And based on what?

He just makes this stuff up, I will not even try to argue with him anymore... Talking to a brick wall makes more sense than talking to this guy

[Stardusk]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

megawug wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i never said easier. the game gets harder at higher FPS cause enemies are more aggressive and accurate but your wepaons do more damage too

Caratinoid doesn't say this anywhere in the OP.  Where are you getting this from?  And based on what?

He just makes this stuff up, I will not even try to argue with him anymore... Talking to a brick wall makes more sense than talking to this guy

I wonder how old he is...

[megawug]

There is another possible factor: CPU latency. Video card frame rate alone may not account for everything.

[Feneckus]

upinya slayin wrote...

why cap the framrate at 62 if it was made to run at 30. why not cap it at 32 instead?

Not even EA is stupid enough to release a PC game with a 32 fps cap.

Besides, changing the framerate is no big deal. You just have to modify a single entry.

Adjusting the enemy AI would take a lot more work I imagine.

[Jhanus]

RedJohn wrote...

But I don't know, maybe for a terrible player capping the FPS might result in an easier game because anyway they suck so they have to make the AI dumber :/

Comments like this make me sad with my consistency-cap, even if I know I'm kinda excluded. 

megawug wrote...
There is another possible factor: CPU latency.  Video card frame rate alone may not account for everything.

Could very well be an engine or architecture thing on the consoles that makes the AI process differently/faster.

Modifié par Jhanus, 21 mars 2013 - 04:55 .

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

upinya slayin wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

just form watching the videos. several BSNers flamed me for my acucusions on the videos which all turned out to be rate. 

There's only been proof of ONE PC cheater. A single one.

So please STFU.

why don't you STFU?
link got caught modding and extra skill points
jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting why would he not in ME3?
you guys admittied consumable stacking and a few others i won't mention during the tourament back in the day
you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread
there was another one i can't remmebr his name who got banned for modding files and restarted his hanifest with a 1 at the end of his normal Origin ID

i'm not saying you are cheating but you saying only 1 is pure nonsense. grow the **** up and stop taking **** so personal and stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

not only do you look like cheaters you lok like cry babies when you make posts like this. i kept this calm and civil w/o flaming. if you can't do the same GTFO of the thread

Jay was not banned for using an aimbot; no one knows why he was banned and it was pure supposition on one individual's part who insisted he was using an aimbot. Jay used to be a professional Counterstrike player, it makes sense that he has insane aim, just an Olympic sprinter can outsprint virtually anyone. So now the console folk come out and accuse every PC player of being a cheater, good one. I heard somewhere most console players were 12+....hmm.

again i'm not acusing eveyone of cheating. But hey lance armstroing was cheating. people cheat. some get caiught some don't. i watched jays jav steppin vidoe (which since th acusaiotins has disappeared off youtube) and you can see that it doens't look rigt at all. no way he isn't aimbotting. of course he isn't gonna admit to it but he was banned from L4D. why wouldn't he cheat in another game

And here we have a a typical example of logical fallacies....

[Kaall]

RedJohn wrote...

I capped the framerate on my GF's laptop to 30 just to feel the difference after play at 60 FPS...

To be sincere someone must be very idiot to cap the framerate @ 30 FPS if can play @60 FPS, rather than making AI less accurate what you are really doing is screwing your aiming.

But I guess that depends on the level of the player, for me the game doesn't become easier when I play @30 FPS, it becomes slightly harder because of my aiming, playing @60 FPS is so awesome, so fluid that even with a small laptop mouse is so freaking easy to aim, and I couldn't do that on my PC.


But I don't know, maybe for a terrible player capping the FPS might result in an easier game because anyway they suck so they have to make the AI dumber :/

I don't feel a single difference of fluidity between 60 and 30 fps, and my aiming is exactly the same with a sniper (even if it is not my favorite gameplay).

What i feel however is that my survivability had increased tenfolds, permiting me at the same time to kill more by hiding less.

How is that being an Idiot ?

How playing at the difficulty the game was designed for makes me an "idiot" espetially if there is not any supplementaty reward in credit ?

Modifié par Kaall, 21 mars 2013 - 04:58 .

[upinya slayin]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...
honestly i don't feel like reading 12 pages to find it. i can care less if you believe me. its already been proven and thos of us here on BSN who read thrugh all of it before and had the discussion know that its true. if you don't want to believe me thats fine by me

Ok, I will start with a facepalm and then laugh at you, ok? Nobody believes the stuff you just made up, nobody... But it is ok, you lack mental capacity and reading comprehension... So it can be forgiven that you are not able to understand what was said in the other thread

start reading here
http://social.biowar...621/12#15896800

tyhw

Caratinoid

Annomander

all confirm it and keep reading and they explain why and how its tied to ROF and rounding errors.

so now taht i PROVED it can you stop making yoruself look dumb by saying i made it up cause you have trust issues

[upinya slayin]

megawug wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i never said easier. the game gets harder at higher FPS cause enemies are more aggressive and accurate but your wepaons do more damage too

Caratinoid doesn't say this anywhere in the OP.  Where are you getting this from?  And based on what?

its not in the OP look below as i linked where it starts getting mentioned and proven

[upinya slayin]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

To everyone saying 30 FPS on consoles is not the same as 30 FPS on PC, answer me this.

ME is an xbox game. It was just a port on PC, it's not a true PC game.

There's no text chat.

Graphics are meh for a PC game.

It's not really mod friendly.

The omni button makes sense on consoles because a controller only has so many buttons, but why have it on PC when we have keyboards ?

So do you really think they would ignore all that while going through all the trouble of changing one of the core mechanics of the game ? That doesn't make any sense.

upinya slayin wrote...

false. it was proven in the other fraemrate thread that weapon damage scales to FPS as well. the higher the FPS the more damage you do

Bull****.

The reason why it seems weapons do more damage on PC is because we don't aim for the knees 

why cap the framrate at 62 if it was made to run at 30. why not cap it at 32 instead?

we don't have answers as to why the game is the way it is other then its BWs 1st MP game

It may be sheer laziness or incompetence.  The 62 fps max limit is the default for the unreal engine.  So this would be the setting right out of the box if the developer did nothing to alter it.  It's quite possible the default settings are present in all versions of the game, and it's the console hardware that is effectively capping the fps.

ammonader i believe said its cap is 90

[Zero132132]

upinya slayin wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...
honestly i don't feel like reading 12 pages to find it. i can care less if you believe me. its already been proven and thos of us here on BSN who read thrugh all of it before and had the discussion know that its true. if you don't want to believe me thats fine by me

Ok, I will start with a facepalm and then laugh at you, ok? Nobody believes the stuff you just made up, nobody... But it is ok, you lack mental capacity and reading comprehension... So it can be forgiven that you are not able to understand what was said in the other thread

start reading here
http://social.biowar...621/12#15896800

tyhw

Caratinoid

Annomander

all confirm it and keep reading and they explain why and how its tied to ROF and rounding errors.

so now taht i PROVED it can you stop making yoruself look dumb by saying i made it up cause you have trust issues

They're specifically talking about rounding errors on the clip count for high RoF weapons, not about damage. I think you may have misread something.

[Feneckus]

upinya slayin wrote...

start reading here
http://social.biowar...621/12#15896800

Maybe you should read it first.

 we've actually found that the engine seems to handle higher RoF just fine.  It's just the ammo counter which doesn't update properly. 

There's no pretty pictures so I realize it can be tough when you have a single digit IQ.

[RedJohn]

Also there is something interesting,

low FPS also affect weapons like Typhoon.

Typhoon at a low FPS doesn't deal the same damage as Typhoon over 30 FPS.

Test it.

[upinya slayin]

Stardusk wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

megawug wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i never said easier. the game gets harder at higher FPS cause enemies are more aggressive and accurate but your wepaons do more damage too

Caratinoid doesn't say this anywhere in the OP.  Where are you getting this from?  And based on what?

He just makes this stuff up, I will not even try to argue with him anymore... Talking to a brick wall makes more sense than talking to this guy

I wonder how old he is...

28

and read below where i prove it so um yeah you gonna retract your staement?

[Jhanus]

Feneckus wrote...

Maybe you should read it first.

 we've actually found that the engine seems to handle higher RoF just fine.  It's just the ammo counter which doesn't update properly. 

There's no pretty pictures so I realize it can be tough when you have a single digit IQ.

So much love in here. 

[megawug]

Zero132132 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

start reading here
http://social.biowar...621/12#15896800

tyhw

Caratinoid

Annomander

all confirm it and keep reading and they explain why and how its tied to ROF and rounding errors.

so now taht i PROVED it can you stop making yoruself look dumb by saying i made it up cause you have trust issues

They're specifically talking about rounding errors on the clip count for high RoF weapons, not about damage. I think you may have misread something.

It looks like it's inconclusive/needs more investigation.  The rounding error may lead to slightly higher/lower damage.

In any case, I don't think anyone needs to resort to insults or name calling.  Just stick to the discussion.

[upinya slayin]

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

start reading here
http://social.biowar...621/12#15896800

Maybe you should read it first.

 we've actually found that the engine seems to handle higher RoF just fine.  It's just the ammo counter which doesn't update properly. 

There's no pretty pictures so I realize it can be tough when you have a single digit IQ.

keep reading. ROF wepaons get incresed ROF on higher FPS like a typhoon casuing it to mow things down faster. keep reading as i stated START there