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[HolyAvenger]

Also, Sirian is still playing? I thought he only pwned 12 years olds in CoD these days.

[Zjarcal]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Also, Sirian is still playing? I thought he only pwned 12 years olds in CoD these days.

He's actually playing right now, he probably still needs his ME3 aimbotting dose from time to time. 

I keed, I keed. 

[DJepic112]

I can't believe this huge problem was never addressed in any patches. Running at 60fps makes the game way too difficult. What happens if you play at 120fps or above?

[FateNeverEnds]

I just lost all respect for the self-called master race. From now on any pc platinum solo bragged about on this forums not looking as flowy as the 60 fps part of this video will cause me to inevitably mock and unleash my hate on your threads, you "master race".

[ISHYGDDT]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

I just lost all respect for the self-called master race. From now on any pc platinum solo bragged about on this forums not looking as flowy as the 60 fps part of this video will cause me to inevitably mock and unleash my hate on your threads, you "master race".

Indeed.  **** you PC mustard race.

[HolyAvenger]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

I just lost all respect for the self-called master race. From now on any pc platinum solo bragged about on this forums not looking as flowy as the 60 fps part of this video will cause me to inevitably mock and unleash my hate on your threads, you "master race".

 

You're late. I've been discounting all achievements on PC for months years.

[Raptor2023]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Indeed.  **** you PC mustard race.

Console pheasants.

Modifié par Raptor2023, 20 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[Litefire]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

I just lost all respect for the self-called master race. From now on any pc platinum solo bragged about on this forums not looking as flowy as the 60 fps part of this video will cause me to inevitably mock and unleash my hate on your threads, you "master race".

the funny thing is that in addition to the enemies aim being better at 60 fps because their aim is tied to fps, shield regen is also tied to FPS inversely,  the lower your FPS the faster your shields regen.  The faster your FPS the slower your shields regen, at 60 fps if i recall correctly it was an additional 1-1.5 seconds for sheild regen times depending on how much sheild you actually had, and at 120 fps your sheilds never regen except on the juggernaut or krogan guard without using Biotic charge/shield boost/turret/ops pack.

[BridgeBurner]

stromguard555 wrote...

Just my observations, but the AI on PC Gold 30 FPS looks worse than Console Bronze AI. 60 FPS looked closer to what console Gold is like.

Yeah, no.

The game runs on the same engine, ergo there are the same issues with every platform.

Somehow I doubt they deliberately tuned up the AI for 30 FPS consoles...

Modifié par Annomander, 20 mars 2013 - 09:01 .

[landylan]

In the video, Sirian played differently with the sixty fps and got himself killed more.

Tyhw died more with 30 fps...

Plus, it's harder to maneuver on consoles... Not to mention more difficulty aiming and having to take your finger off the joystick.

I wouldn't say it's harder on PC because they seem to have an easier time than any console players when I see their vids.

[RoundedPlanet88]

Annomander wrote...

stromguard555 wrote...

Just my observations, but the AI on PC Gold 30 FPS looks worse than Console Bronze AI. 60 FPS looked closer to what console Gold is like.

Yeah, no.

Yeah, he got that reversed. And I can actually say that, since you know, I`ve played on both consoles. The AI on consoles is just plain sleepy in comparison, but it is somewhat offset due to slightly more awkward controls........Of course, if you know what your doing, the controls aren`t a hindrance, which is not arguable about the AI.

[upinya slayin]

I'm just gonna come out and say this. i bit my tongue for a while after eveyrone called eveyrone out and some BSN celeb stud players got caught cheating and such but...

a while ago i said after watching some of the vids (before any of the frame rate stuff or anyhting came out) that some of the vids i watched teh enemies were too dumb and it looked too easy and the weapons did more damage and enemies did less etc etc. i was flamed dam hard for it to. now w find out that some famous BSN celebs were suing aimbots, modded files to do more damage (which i said they could add 30-40% more and nobody would really notice) framrate capping to make it easier and when they do even out the doficulty they get mre weapon damage anyway. and i was flamed hard for my observations and it turns out i called it exactly right

now i'm not saying there all cheaters. or its easier or anything like that, i'm just saying its hard to trust who really did what. there is too many easy ways on PC to make the game easier then intended.

[Sovereign24]

Devs had to do something to combat dem coalesced.bin hacks.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

There's a few people on here who play at 15 fps...won't name names though.

upinya slayin wrote...

I'm just gonna come out and say
this. i bit my tongue for a while after eveyrone called eveyrone out and
some BSN celeb stud players got caught cheating and such but...

a
while ago i said after watching some of the vids (before any of the
frame rate stuff or anyhting came out) that some of the vids i watched
teh enemies were too dumb and it looked too easy and the weapons did
more damage and enemies did less etc etc. i was flamed dam hard for it
to. now w find out that some famous BSN celebs were suing aimbots,
modded files to do more damage (which i said they could add 30-40% more
and nobody would really notice) framrate capping to make it easier and
when they do even out the doficulty they get mre weapon damage anyway.
and i was flamed hard for my observations and it turns out i called it
exactly right now i'm not saying there all cheaters. or its
easier or anything like that, i'm just saying its hard to trust who
really did what. there is too many easy ways on PC to make the game
easier then intended.

I used to call out PC videos for this all the time.  PC players denied anything was going on.  Platinum solo constantly running around out in the open and getting hit like twice during the match...I knew better.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 20 mars 2013 - 09:11 .

[Geek]

For fun I decided to try this. The hard part was that it is impossible on console to make the turn from the top of the ramp back into the hallway. You have to stop, turn and then start running again. I got lit up a few times there.

[megawug]

I think all future videos on PC should indicate frame rate, now that we know the effect it has. The game engine seems to be tuned for 30 FPS. I personally prefer 60 FPS for the smoothness, but I'm not a solo or speed run guy, so I don't care if it's harder than it should be.

[Tybo]

landylan wrote...

In the video, Sirian played differently with the sixty fps and got himself killed more.

Tyhw died more with 30 fps...

Plus, it's harder to maneuver on consoles... Not to mention more difficulty aiming and having to take your finger off the joystick.

I wouldn't say it's harder on PC because they seem to have an easier time than any console players when I see their vids.

I died more on 30 fps because I started walking instead of running, because I realized quickly the AI was to derpy to hit me when I ran.  I also started to try to do stupid things, like stand behind the back of an enemy trying to find me.

Whether the increased AI difficulty makes up for the poor controls is a whole different discussion, which is not empirically provable.  The fact that the AI is significantly better is pretty clear.

[ISHYGDDT]

upinya slayin wrote...

I'm just gonna come out and say this. i bit my tongue for a while after eveyrone called eveyrone out and some BSN celeb stud players got caught cheating and such but...

a while ago i said after watching some of the vids (before any of the frame rate stuff or anyhting came out) that some of the vids i watched teh enemies were too dumb and it looked too easy and the weapons did more damage and enemies did less etc etc. i was flamed dam hard for it to. now w find out that some famous BSN celebs were suing aimbots, modded files to do more damage (which i said they could add 30-40% more and nobody would really notice) framrate capping to make it easier and when they do even out the doficulty they get mre weapon damage anyway. and i was flamed hard for my observations and it turns out i called it exactly right

now i'm not saying there all cheaters. or its easier or anything like that, i'm just saying its hard to trust who really did what. there is too many easy ways on PC to make the game easier then intended.

Except BSN did notice...

Also, the aimbot was only an accusation, as far as I know, Jay's VAC ban on another game for another reason notwithstanding.  Not saying that he didn't cheat, but there's no smoking gun.

Finally, 30 FPS is playing the game 'as intended' by BioWare,  You can tell that the game was not actually intended to be played at other framerates because something as (hopefully) universal as the shield recharge speed depends nontrivially on framerate.

[Zjarcal]

Sirian just asked me to post this:

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I would like it known that I have no agenda with this video. It is simply a comparison of different framerates. A couple of things to keep in mind: 1. The FPS issue is the SAME for both PC and console, this means that the 30 FPS demonstration here demos what console AI is like. 2. This does NOT mean that the game is easier on console, as console players have to deal with worse controls, cannot easily run perpendicular to the enemy, etc. 3. There is no selective editing here. In the 60 FPS video I was doing what I usually do in order to not die (aside from actually using hard/soft cover and killing enemies of course). The difference between 60 FPS and 30 FPS is very real and very noticeable. Note that at 30 and 15 FPS, tyhw and I still died several times, but basically only when we stopped sprinting and/or dodging and either walked in a straight line or held still.

Again, I have no agenda here, I am not trying to defame anyone or diminish anyone's achievements. Nor am I attempting to say that PC is more difficult than console.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

You know, I'm watching this video and 30 fps on PC appears to have substantially weaker AI than the console version. The enemy reaction time is way too slow. It seems that you run past the enemy it takes them a very long time to notice you're there and react. I've noticed this issue consistently in PC videos I've seen. Could it be the PC version is significantly easier than the console version at the same frame rate?

[Credit2team]

isn't Youtube capped at 30?

[Fortack]

thewalrusx wrote...

isn't Youtube capped at 30?

The only relevant thing is FPS of the one hosting the game.

[tetsutsuru]

Wow, that's ridiculous. I appreciate the vid to show the differences though.

Nerfing the A.I. (via reduced FPS cap) INSTEAD of actually learning to be a better player, is such a chickens*** thing to do.

[Conduit0]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Wow, that's ridiculous. I appreciate the vid to show the differences though.

Nerfing the A.I. (via reduced FPS cap) INSTEAD of actually learning to be a better player, is such a chickens*** thing to do.

You hearn him console peasents, lrn260fps or GTFO.