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[Feneckus]

upinya slayin wrote...

just form watching the videos. several BSNers flamed me for my acucusions on the videos which all turned out to be rate. 

There's only been proof of ONE PC cheater. A single one.

So please STFU.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Look, there are some great PC players, but unfortunately there are also those playing a decidedly easier version of the game pretending to be "elite." The good players should do what they can to distance themselves from the hacks.

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

just form watching the videos. several BSNers flamed me for my acucusions on the videos which all turned out to be rate. 

There's only been proof of ONE PC cheater. A single one.

So please STFU.

Unfortunately, now that it's been demonstrated that difficulty changes based on fps, the burden of proof falls on the PC player to show that they're playing at an appropriate fps/difficulty.  This is only for videos, btw.  Normally I'll just assume a player is playing a "true" difficulty unless shown otherwise.  If, however, there is some strange stuff happening in a video, it should be pointed out.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 20 mars 2013 - 11:27 .

[Tybo]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

Not true

Watch this

Xbox running past enemies

It's pretty obvious that there are no magical changes in the AI between console and PC, our controls are just better.  

[upinya slayin]

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

just form watching the videos. several BSNers flamed me for my acucusions on the videos which all turned out to be rate. 

There's only been proof of ONE PC cheater. A single one.

So please STFU.

why don't you STFU?
link got caught modding and extra skill points
jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting why would he not in ME3?
you guys admittied consumable stacking and a few others i won't mention during the tourament back in the day
you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread
there was another one i can't remmebr his name who got banned for modding files and restarted his hanifest with a 1 at the end of his normal Origin ID

i'm not saying you are cheating but you saying only 1 is pure nonsense. grow the **** up and stop taking **** so personal and stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

not only do you look like cheaters you lok like cry babies when you make posts like this. i kept this calm and civil w/o flaming. if you can't do the same GTFO of the thread

[HolyAvenger]

In the past ME2 AI was dumbed down for consoles. If anything that's more likely for ME3, meaning they have it easier, not PC.

[StoxRegalia]

upinya slayin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

just form watching the videos. several BSNers flamed me for my acucusions on the videos which all turned out to be rate. 

There's only been proof of ONE PC cheater. A single one.

So please STFU.

why don't you STFU?
link got caught modding and extra skill points
jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting why would he not in ME3?
you guys admittied consumable stacking and a few others i won't mention during the tourament back in the day
you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread
there was another one i can't remmebr his name who got banned for modding files and restarted his hanifest with a 1 at the end of his normal Origin ID

i'm not saying you are cheating but you saying only 1 is pure nonsense. grow the **** up and stop taking **** so personal and stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

not only do you look like cheaters you lok like cry babies when you make posts like this. i kept this calm and civil w/o flaming. if you can't do the same GTFO of the thread

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[BACON4BREAKFAST]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

I have played over 600 hours on console. over 300 on PC

30 FPS acts the same on both. Every time you run perpindicular to enemies while the are shooting they are pretty likely to miss on both platforms. On 60 FPS enemies rarely miss even if you are running perpindicular to their line of fire. You can't get away with the the same things you can do at 30 FPS.

What makes it not as noticable on console is the inability to turn while running. Any time you want to turn aroud you have to stop, rotate, then run again. So you can't weave through enemies fire like you could on PC (playing at low frame-rates) to take advantage of this.

Difficulty can't be compared between the two, it's like comparing apples and oranges. In reality the top-level players on both platforms are likely equal in "skill" but that skill doesn't completly transfer from one platform to the other. I notice when I play xbox now that I don't play as well as I used to, but once I play for awhile on it I re-learn the different subtleties to be effective on console.

[Geek]

tyhw wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

Not true

Watch this

Xbox running past enemies

It's pretty obvious that there are no magical changes in the AI between console and PC, our controls are just better.  

Not saying you are wrong or right, but that is kind of a poor choice of video considering they are using the fastest characters and banshees, brutes and husks don't shoot guns.

[Tybo]

Geek Fest wrote...

tyhw wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

Not true

Watch this

Xbox running past enemies

It's pretty obvious that there are no magical changes in the AI between console and PC, our controls are just better.  

Not saying you are wrong or right, but that is kind of a poor choice of video considering they are using the fastest characters and banshees, brutes and husks don't shoot guns.

True, but its the only one I could find where people intentionally just ran past enemies.  Either way, you can see the enemies failing to target the people running past them, they just continue on their merry way.

And people like this don't listen to logic or reason, just "follow their gut" when in reality, you don't actually play that way.  If you stop to shoot, of course you'll get shot.  Also, they fail to understand that the PC controls allow you to better run past enemies by not moving in straight lines, and not stopping to corner or keep your angles perpendicular.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

I have played over 600 hours on console. over 300 on PC

30 FPS acts the same on both. Every time you run perpindicular to enemies while the are shooting they are pretty likely to miss on both platforms. On 60 FPS enemies rarely miss even if you are running perpindicular to their line of fire. You can't get away with the the same things you can do at 30 FPS.

What makes it not as noticable on console is the inability to turn while running. Any time you want to turn aroud you have to stop, rotate, then run again. So you can't weave through enemies fire like you could on PC (playing at low frame-rates) to take advantage of this.

Difficulty can't be compared between the two, it's like comparing apples and oranges. In reality the top-level players on both platforms are likely equal in "skill" but that skill doesn't completly transfer from one platform to the other. I notice when I play xbox now that I don't play as well as I used to, but once I play for awhile on it I re-learn the different subtleties to be effective on console.

Okay, I'll concede the difference may be due to the difference in turning the camera while running, because I do see there is quite a bit of that going on in the video.  It is hard to tell without a direct comparison.  I'd be very interested to see someone playing the PC version at 30 fps (and 60 fps) in the exact same way as the console version i.e. no camera turn until coming to a complete stop.  That way we'd know for sure.

However, if the difference is simply due to the control difference, that really demonstrates the advantage in getting to turn while running is HUGE.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 20 mars 2013 - 11:42 .

[Geek]

tyhw wrote...

Geek Fest wrote...

tyhw wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, it's become quite obvious that 30 fps on PC does not match 30 fps on console. I don't know what the reason for that is, but the video doesn't lie. The enemy behavior at 30 fps on PC has been demonstrated to be significantly less responsive, accurate, and aggressive than the enemy AI on console.

I've seen so many videos now from PC, which I'm assuming are at 30 fps, and the player is consistently able to run in a straight line right through packs of enemies without taking damage. This just is not possible on the console version on Gold and Platinum. PC 30 fps really does look to be about the same as console Gold. It's no coincidence that a number of console players have independently witnessed this.

When I first mentioned something being off in the PC videos, I wasn't even aware that upinya or anyone else had seen the same thing. It was an observation that I made simply by watching the video and seeing what was happening with my own eyes.

I personally don't care if the PC version is easier. I just think PC players shouldn't be on here all arrogant talking about the "PC master race" and acting like they're the most skilled players out of anyone. Not when their version of the game is easier.

Not true

Watch this

Xbox running past enemies

It's pretty obvious that there are no magical changes in the AI between console and PC, our controls are just better.  

Not saying you are wrong or right, but that is kind of a poor choice of video considering they are using the fastest characters and banshees, brutes and husks don't shoot guns.

True, but its the only one I could find where people intentionally just ran past enemies.  Either way, you can see the enemies failing to target the people running past them, they just continue on their merry way.

And people like this don't listen to logic or reason, just "follow their gut" when in reality, you don't actually play that way.  If you stop to shoot, of course you'll get shot.  Also, they fail to understand that the PC controls allow you to better run past enemies by not moving in straight lines, and not stopping to corner or keep your angles perpendicular.

I tried duplicating the route Sirian took in the video. I couldn't get a good comparison though because I had to stop to turn when I got to the top of the ramp and that is when I got downed the most.

[BridgeBurner]

Hey guys, we started a platform war!

Ending with Upinya Slayin; a USA resident with a poorer grasp of English than a Frenchman telling a Frenchman to grow up whilst himself being unable to write anything remotely true, intelligent or grammatical.

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Modifié par Annomander, 20 mars 2013 - 11:56 .

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

I am thinking of making a frame-rate comparison video that is more conclusive, but I am lazy. I cannot record anything on xbox unless I use a camera and I really don't feel like doing that. I am certain that the game reacts the same on both console and PC it's just that on PC when playing at low frame-rates you can maneuver quite well to avoid as much fire as possible.

[Lucky]

I'm sure I'll take flak for this from the "master race" but I saw no difference between 60-30... You ran around doing the same crap for like a minute before they hit you on 60. Not sure what this video/thread proves besides that PC players have massive hungry egos and refer to themselves as ****s...

Edit: apparently N a z i, is a word not allowed on BSN despite a large majority of BSNers referring to themselves as such

Modifié par rlucht, 20 mars 2013 - 11:52 .

[ISHYGDDT]

rlucht wrote...
have massive hungry egos and refer to themselves as ****s...

I shall devour you with my ego, for I am king of the ****s

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 20 mars 2013 - 11:50 .

[megawug]

capn233 wrote...

megawug wrote...

I assume most videos are made while playing at 30 FPS, since recording takes quite a bit of bandwidth.

It doesn't, unless everyone else has an older computer than mine, which records at 60fps most of the time, but may dip in between waves when it is loading the enemies.  That is of course only recording to 1280x720, obviously recording uncompressed at high resolution is more intensive.

I don't think it's possible to record at 1280x720 with FRAPS... it's either full res or 1/2 res, and most monitors run 1920x1080.

[Cohen le Barbare]

upinya slayin wrote...
why don't you STFU?
link got caught modding and extra skill points
jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting why would he not in ME3?
you guys admittied consumable stacking and a few others i won't mention during the tourament back in the day
you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread
there was another one i can't remmebr his name who got banned for modding files and restarted his hanifest with a 1 at the end of his normal Origin ID

i'm not saying you are cheating but you saying only 1 is pure nonsense. grow the **** up and stop taking **** so personal and stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

not only do you look like cheaters you lok like cry babies when you make posts like this. i kept this calm and civil w/o flaming. if you can't do the same GTFO of the thread

The sad thing is that it seems only top players on PC (or very poor players, but those don't post videos of their success here) are cheating for their 15 minutes of internet fame. At least 1 console top player admitted to missile glitching to beef up the manifest. Both practices are despicable, especially in a PvE/coop game. 

As always, the action of a few ****ers will forever brand legit players.

[Shampoohorn]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

I am thinking of making a frame-rate comparison video that is more conclusive, but I am lazy. I cannot record anything on xbox unless I use a camera and I really don't feel like doing that. I am certain that the game reacts the same on both console and PC it's just that on PC when playing at low frame-rates you can maneuver quite well to avoid as much fire as possible.

Strap a cell phone camera between your ****** and pretend you're Godless Paladin.  I will be so happy to complain about the video quality.

Bacon pls.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 20 mars 2013 - 11:57 .

[Fortack]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

I am thinking of making a frame-rate comparison video that is more conclusive, but I am lazy. I cannot record anything on xbox unless I use a camera and I really don't feel like doing that. I am certain that the game reacts the same on both console and PC it's just that on PC when playing at low frame-rates you can maneuver quite well to avoid as much fire as possible.

Do you have a controller for your PC? If so, use that one and test things at both 30 and 60 FPS b/c it's rather pointless to compare anything without taking the vastly superior control system a K&M setup have to offer into consideration.

[Fortack]

megawug wrote...

I don't think it's possible to record at 1280x720 with FRAPS... it's either full res or 1/2 res, and most monitors run 1920x1080.

You can record at any resolution supported by the game that doesn't go beyond the (max) resolution of the display involved. If ME3 supports 800 x 600 I can record at that resolution on my 1080P monitor (things will look awful but that's another matter obviously).

Modifié par Fortack, 21 mars 2013 - 12:01 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

I am thinking of making a frame-rate comparison video that is more conclusive, but I am lazy. I cannot record anything on xbox unless I use a camera and I really don't feel like doing that. I am certain that the game reacts the same on both console and PC it's just that on PC when playing at low frame-rates you can maneuver quite well to avoid as much fire as possible.

I'll set that up with you, if you want. I'll have to do the Xbox recording. We can arrange a few with a matched kit, map, loadout, and faction, and run solo tests following the same route and comparisons.

It'll take a bit of organizing. PM me if you want.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 21 mars 2013 - 12:03 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

megawug wrote...

I don't think it's possible to record at 1280x720 with FRAPS... it's either full res or 1/2 res, and most monitors run 1920x1080.

Is it possible to use a separate device to do it, like with the Xbox? Could a PVR be used to do it?

[megawug]

Fortack wrote...

megawug wrote...

I don't think it's possible to record at 1280x720 with FRAPS... it's either full res or 1/2 res, and most monitors run 1920x1080.

You can record at any resolution supported by the game that doesn't go beyond the (max) resolution of the display involved. If ME3 supports 800 x 600 I can record at that resolution on my 1080P monitor (things will look awful but that's another matter obviously).

Yeah, you can lower the res to look like Doom II, but why would anyone do that?  For science!?

[Feneckus]

upinya slayin wrote...

why don't you STFU?

Because you're one of the worst posters on BSN, and that says a lot.

50% of your posts consists of puerile and pathetic flirting and the other half is questioning PC players' achievements.

link got caught modding and extra skill points

Yes

jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting

No, he got banned because he modded a private server. For what it's worth, I play with the guy enough to know he's legit.

you guys admittied consumable stacking

You guys ? WTH is that supposed to mean ?

you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread

each other ? Once again, great job generalizing. Link got called out. That's pretty much it.

Yes, some PC players cheat. It happens in every game. But stop talking out of your ass.

I could say xbox players cheat a lot more than PCers. We never see threads about how hard it is to find Plat games on PC without missile glitching/coalesced editing or whatever.

See how easy it is ?

stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

Ok, so now you're gonna accuse ME ? Ridiculous.

[Tybo]

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

why don't you STFU?

Because you're one of the worst posters on BSN, and that says a lot.

50% of your posts consists of puerile and pathetic flirting and the other half is questioning PC players' achievements.

link got caught modding and extra skill points

Yes

jay's been banned form L4D for aimbotting

No, he got banned because he modded a private server. For what it's worth, I play with the guy enough to know he's legit.

you guys admittied consumable stacking

You guys ? WTH is that supposed to mean ?

you guys called each other uot for cheating in the PHOF thread

each other ? Once again, great job generalizing. Link got called out. That's pretty much it.

Yes, some PC players cheat. It happens in every game. But stop talking out of your ass.

I could say xbox players cheat a lot more than PCers. We never see threads about how hard it is to find Plat games on PC without missile glitching/coalesced editing or whatever.

See how easy it is ?

stop ebing a DB and open your eyes. the mroe pisse dyou get about accusaitons the guiltier you look.

Ok, so now you're gonna accuse ME ? Ridiculous.

In this thread:

We learn that most people speak english as a (second?  third?  fourth?)  language better than upinya slayin does as his first.

We also learn that he has the IQ of a jellyfish.