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[capn233]

megawug wrote...

I don't think it's possible to record at 1280x720 with FRAPS... it's either full res or 1/2 res, and most monitors run 1920x1080.

This was already partially answered, but I record with Afterburner these days.  So I can record at a different resolution than I run the game, and compress on the fly... which is much more efficient if you have a hard disk write bottleneck.

Air Quotes wrote...

+1. It IS easy mode for those who are used to 60. But 30 is how the game was meant to be played.

Until a dev says something (which will likely be never), then nobody is going to believe that 30fps is the framerate the game meant to be played on.  Since we alraedy have everyone and their brother on xbox saying that there is no way 30fps on PC is equivalent to Xbox 30fps...

Well a dev might give the generic "we tested and felt that overall the difficulty is very similar given the differences in controls."

Modifié par capn233, 21 mars 2013 - 02:20 .

[Commander_Rafael]

I see no shame on playing at 30 fps.

It's lake being ashamed to use consumables cuz someone else soloed without them.

Actually it makes better for another gametype (wich I find more enjoyable)

It permits to play more agressivly focusing on trying to doge and shoot. Also, as aiming becomes harder, it's a nice time to pull that power focused character to mix the damage source with guns and powers.

In higher frame rates, usually the game is a lot more about situational awereness not to be caugh unguarded as enemys look at you equals dead you or about killing stuff ultrafast so they cannot even shot you. Becomes a lot more about a cover, kill fast and move out game, and gun based as DPS to kill'em fast you need headshoting guns.

I enjoy a lot more being able to jump in the open dodging like there was no tomorrow from the enemy's shot.

I however only have the opportunity of doing this when a guy with I usaully play is online as his pc plays at around 30fps. I've got so used to 60 that playing at 30 is really irritating.

When or if Caratinoid realeases a patch to normalize it, I'd use without shame on my game.

[Commander_Rafael]

capn233 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

+1. It IS easy mode for those who are used to 60. But 30 is how the game was meant to be played.

Until a dev says something (which will likely be never), then nobody is going to believe that 30fps is the framerate the game meant to be played on.  Since we alraedy have everyone and their brother on xbox saying that there is no way 30fps on PC is equivalent to Xbox 30fps...

Well a dev might give the generic "we tested and felt that overall the difficulty is very similar given the differences in controls."

You know, actually people who play on both say they're pretty much the same AI behavior on 30 fps. Most accusations of 30 fps consoles = 60 fps pcs are from people claiming they think the game is easier when they see a pc player playing it.

[capn233]

Commander_Rafael wrote...

You know, actually people who play on both say they're pretty much the same AI behavior on 30 fps. Most accusations of 30 fps consoles = 60 fps pcs are from people claiming they think the game is easier when they see a pc player playing it.

Only a couple guys that we indoctrinated say that PC is harder.  Everyone else that is completely legit on xbox and without an agenda say that xbox is at least as hard, or is harder than PC

[capn233]

Air Quotes wrote...

It's a direct port. So I'm pretty sure 30 FPS is the standard.

That's a logical assumption based on some knowledge of software, hardware, etc.

For those reasons it is less valid than the idea that 60fps is just the intended fps on PC.. because that is what some people's PC's run the game at.  And reasons.

[Caineghis2500]

Idol worship has a tendancy to cause heavy denial or blindness to the possibility of someone having any kind of blemish. Jay must have done something related to cheating whether its credit hacking or modding files or maybe it was a mistake on Bioware's part who knows. I personally don't know nor do I care but defending him with such iron resolve is kinda lame considering that nothing is for certain of his gaming background..

Modifié par caineghis2500, 21 mars 2013 - 02:50 .

[The Mysterious Stranger]

Air Quotes wrote...

+1. It IS easy mode for those who are used to 60. But 30 is how the game was meant to be played.

Nividia lies, most of there cards make the game run on 60fps, and that is apparently not the way it's meant to be played.

[capn233]

caineghis2500 wrote...

Idol worship has a tendancy to cause heavy denial or blindness to the possibility of someone having any kind of blemish. Jay must have done something related to cheating whether its credit hacking or modding files or maybe it was a mistake on Bioware's part who knows. I personally don't know nor do I care but defending him with such iron resolve is kinda lame considering that nothing is for certain of his gaming background..

So you say Jay is banned from ME3?

I mean, we had the whole banned via VA for a game on Steam... which isn't ME3...

[Caineghis2500]

capn233 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Idol worship has a tendancy to cause heavy denial or blindness to the possibility of someone having any kind of blemish. Jay must have done something related to cheating whether its credit hacking or modding files or maybe it was a mistake on Bioware's part who knows. I personally don't know nor do I care but defending him with such iron resolve is kinda lame considering that nothing is for certain of his gaming background..

So you say Jay is banned from ME3?

I mean, we had the whole banned via VA for a game on Steam... which isn't ME3...

Read the previous pages

[stromguard555]

I would like to see someone who is good with this type of technical stuff, run a side by side comparison of PC Gold 30 FPS with console Gold. Same enemy, same map, same kit/loadout, and exact same route and actions.

Granted the AI will react differently based on where they spawn, but they should approach the solo player the same way. Also it would be great if there is anyway to display FPS on the console side and the PC side to see how closely they stay to that 30 FPS. Idk if thats possible with consoles, but I am sure someone would know how.

[tetsutsuru]

While all this, "framerate vs A.I. behavior", information is good to know, and I appreciate the OP and the test vid creators for the info, at the end of the day:

1.  *MY* gamersettings.ini file contains these lines:

UseVSync=True
SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62

... and I've NEVER even thought of capping to a lower FPS even after all these discussions to nerf the A.I., just to make me feel good about myself.

2.  My gaming rig does 58-62FPS regardless of simultaneous effects on the screen (of which it had better as it's the most expensive PC I've built to-date, and I am never spending that much on a computer ever again ).

3.  When I host, we'll ALL be playing at 60FPS difficulty.

4.  *I* know *I* can play at 60FPS, regardless of its difficulty comparison to the consoles (I'm not interested in getting ME3 for either Xbox360 or PS3 anyway, so it doesn't matter).

5.  *I* know *I* can solo Gold at 60FPS, moreso because I already have, quite a few times.  N7 Fury Platinum solo attempts soon. 

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 21 mars 2013 - 03:09 .

[capn233]

caineghis2500 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Idol worship has a tendancy to cause heavy denial or blindness to the possibility of someone having any kind of blemish. Jay must have done something related to cheating whether its credit hacking or modding files or maybe it was a mistake on Bioware's part who knows. I personally don't know nor do I care but defending him with such iron resolve is kinda lame considering that nothing is for certain of his gaming background..

So you say Jay is banned from ME3?

I mean, we had the whole banned via VA for a game on Steam... which isn't ME3...

Read the previous pages

I did read the previous pages.  I did not notice anything about being banned from ME3.  Hence my confusion when you typed the bolded part.  Now that I have reviewed the previous pages, the question stands.

[Caineghis2500]

capn233 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Idol worship has a tendancy to cause heavy denial or blindness to the possibility of someone having any kind of blemish. Jay must have done something related to cheating whether its credit hacking or modding files or maybe it was a mistake on Bioware's part who knows. I personally don't know nor do I care but defending him with such iron resolve is kinda lame considering that nothing is for certain of his gaming background..

So you say Jay is banned from ME3?

I mean, we had the whole banned via VA for a game on Steam... which isn't ME3...

Read the previous pages

I did read the previous pages.  I did not notice anything about being banned from ME3.  Hence my confusion when you typed the bolded part.  Now that I have reviewed the previous pages, the question stands.

Hmmm yer right. Perhaps a miscalculation on my part:unsure:

Modifié par caineghis2500, 21 mars 2013 - 03:07 .

[capn233]

tetsutsuru wrote...

While all this, "framerate vs A.I. behavior", information is good to know, and I appreciate the OP and the test vid creators for the info, at the end of the day:

TBH this is what you should add

UseVSync=True
SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
EnemyAccuracy=0
EnemyHP=1

[pistolols]

Stardusk wrote...
 Jay used to be a professional Counterstrike player

is this supposed to mean something in regard to whether or not someone is a cheater?  You are very naive if you think so.  FYI, i used aimbot during my stint of being a "professional CS player" in cal-o and cal-m league matches.  Was never caught.  Just sayin.

[tetsutsuru]

capn233 wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

While all this, "framerate vs A.I. behavior", information is good to know, and I appreciate the OP and the test vid creators for the info, at the end of the day:

TBH this is what you should add

UseVSync=True
SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
EnemyAccuracy=0
EnemyHP=1

LOL! 

Honestly, I don't care if they're accurate.  All the more reason to play harder and smarter.  It's BS like the Marauder's Phaeston CLXVIII with infinite clips, or Praetorian magnet pincers, ThrowS (plural) that go through cloaked Hunters even when I'm hosting, etc., which just grinds my gears.<_<

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 21 mars 2013 - 03:23 .

[AbhijitSM]

I removed the frame rate cap & then hosted a game playing @ 180-200 fps. The way my
squad-mates were going down was too hilarious.

Also if i join anybody else's game with the frame rate cap removed it always cap's at 90 fps.

[tetsutsuru]

AbhijitSM wrote...

I removed the frame rate cap & then hosted a game playing @ 180-200 fps. The way my
squad-mates were going down was too hilarious.

Also if i join anybody else's game with the frame rate cap removed it always cap's at 90 fps.

But with VSync off though, the screen tearing is annoying and painful to see.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 21 mars 2013 - 03:25 .

[upinya slayin]

tyhw wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Lord Sirian shared this with me a while ago and I figured it'd be good to share it with BSN. It's well known how framerate affects difficulty in this game, and here we have a direct comparison between high, medium, and very low framerates.




60 FPS - 0:20
30 FPS - 4:05
15 FPS - 7:37

This video only shows enemies shooting at the players while running right? I would like to see the difference when the player shoots at the enemy at different FPS as well. Would be interesting to see if it would also be harder to kill the enemies at lower FPS with different weapons 

Well, it is harder to aim at low FPS, because your cursor doesn't move as smoothly, but weapons do exactly the same if you hit the enemy.  Frame rate has no effect on damage done to enemies.

false. it was proven in the other fraemrate thread that weapon damage scales to FPS as well. the higher the FPS the more damage you do

[Kaall]

The Mysterious Stranger wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

+1. It IS easy mode for those who are used to 60. But 30 is how the game was meant to be played.

Nividia lies, most of there cards make the game run on 60fps, and that is apparently not the way it's meant to be played.

Nvidia Inspector Disagree with you sir, because Nvidia Inspector can create Personalysed Game profile with Capped fps anytime.

Modifié par Kaall, 21 mars 2013 - 03:33 .

[AbhijitSM]

tetsutsuru wrote...

AbhijitSM wrote...

I removed the frame rate cap & then hosted a game playing @ 180-200 fps. The way my
squad-mates were going down was too hilarious.

Also if i join anybody else's game with the frame rate cap removed it always cap's at 90 fps.

But with VSync off though, the screen tearing is annoying and painful to see.

 

Weirdly i am not getting any screen tearing except while in the menu...dunno how 

[upinya slayin]

[quote]jrm_ayun wrote...

[quote]upinya slayin wrote...

only thing i'm accusing you of is being a dick, but i'm making the point that its human nature to get defensive when you have somehting to hide. its basic knowledge. and you get defensive alot. My point is there isn't any point in getting defensive if you aren't cheating and i didn't accuse YOU of cheating.. it has nothign to do with you. It was a civil discussion about FPS and difficuly between PC and console until you showed up and started being a dick.
[/quote]

1) Uh sure if you say so

2) well you did start it here

[quote]upinya slayin wrote...

a while ago i said after watching some of the vids (before any of the frame rate stuff or anyhting came out) that some of the vids i watched teh enemies were too dumb and it looked too easy and the weapons did more damage and enemies did less etc etc. i was flamed dam hard for it to. now w find out that some famous BSN celebs were suing aimbots, modded files to do more damage (which i said they could add 30-40% more and nobody would really notice)

[/quote]

and that wasn't civil. its was a simple true statement. there was no flmaing or cursing or even calling out the specific people.

[xtorma]

Stardusk wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...
YOU!

STFU.

no you STFU?

Jay was not banned for using an aimbot; no one knows why he was banned and it was pure supposition on one individual's part who insisted he was using an aimbot. Jay used to be a professional Counterstrike player, it makes sense that he has insane aim, just an Olympic sprinter can outsprint virtually anyone. So now the console folk come out and accuse every PC player of being a cheater, good one. I heard somewhere most console players were 12+....hmm.

We may never know why he was banned, and i reeeeaaally dont care - it was the hilarious conversation between the people you quoted that caught my attention... but now that we're at it:

Speculating (and doing that is a dangerous game, i know) one can assume that he must have done something
to earn himself said ban, and since what he was best known for doing, is using his super-human aiming skillz to achive extraordinary results and makes videos to document it, which for the majoritys part are no longer avalible on youtube, i can see why one would arrive at the conclusion that he was probably banned for something related to doing exactly that. Perhaps using an aimbot. Who knows?

Edit: As it could be percieved as i am taking sides, or that i even have an oppinion on the matter, i bolded, and underlined (and put it in italic to stay classy) the important part of the post. It was merely a share of thought as to why someone, somewhere that was butt-hurt already could make the connection that he was cheating by using an aim-bot.

Clearly a case of envy on the accusers' part.

Not any more clear than the accusers.