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[C0MB0]

I wont' bring in a low level character just because I don't want them to boot me. Now, if I thought I could get away with it........

[robarcool]

Been there, done that. I don't enjoy promoting anymore, so no.

[Randomical]

I used to do it before I finished N7 Mastery, now I have another kind of fun - playing with lvl20 characters but with bad/hipster weapons and kits(Raptor, Arc pistol, Salarian Engineer, etc).

[TheThirdRace]

HolyAvenger wrote...

FGD_N7 wrote...

So effectively your leeching? Not cool to be honest, so What if you have a Black Widow at 10? When a rocket tropper will kill you in 2 shots? Unless your a Krogan.

Not fair on those who want to do well and put on there best consumables, as your simply detrimental to the team.

 

How is it leeching if in any given Gold PUG, even with a level 1 kit I tend to be near the top of the scorebaord, doing all the objectives and racking up revives?

HolyAvenger is never leeching, trust me.

Just yesterday, I extracted from a U/U/G game with a Geth Engineer level 1 using only the GPR. I got the first spot on the scoreboard with 174K, I even had to solo most of wave 7 and 9...

My first conclusion is that it would have been easier for me with a level 20, but I played it smart and was not only an asset, but THE asset of the team.

My second conclusion is that the only thing I "leeched" was the time it took me for the game (36 minutes). I was level 1 so it's understandable that I don't do a ton of damage, especially with the GPR. But I participated in all objectives, I raised fallen teammates, I saved teammates from synk-kills with rockets and I soloed 2 waves just for the team. Would you really accuse me of leeching when I was the only one standing most of the time? Just because I was taking more time than I would if I had been a level 20?

My third conclusion is that most of level 20 PUGs are "terribad" and you must be as well because you think a level 1 equals leeching. If my teammates would have been half decent, I wouldn't have top the scoreboard, I wouldn't have soloed 2 waves and I wouldn't have used all my rockets to prevent sync-kills. But I would still have helped with objectives, I still would have killed enemies, I still wouldn't die every 20 seconds and we would have extracted in a decent 20-25 minutes. Mark my words, a level 1 shouldn't be the MVP of the game, especially when you have 3 other level 20 with you.

My final conclusion is you're wrong. If you cannot see why then you are beyond redemption.

[St3v3H]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

DEADLINE2000 wrote...

Cos you have an level 1 character does not mean the player is. Clue look at the N7 rating and how many CP they have with promoted for that type of character.

QFFT!
I don't care what any clown has to say who doesn't promote, if I see someone has promoted thier class over 100 times, they can play at level 1. N7 matters significantly when you count in the blue bar promotions. Seeing someone with 2~10 promos definetly don't messure up to someone who has gotten over 3K N7 on one class.

[fallen_acolyte]

You guys say its not leeching, but obviously at lv one you are more of a liability towards the team compared to any level. No matter how you justify it, someone always has to work harder when you join a match at lv one. How is that not leeching?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

FGD_N7 wrote...

So effectively your leeching? Not cool to be honest, so What if you have a Black Widow at 10? When a rocket tropper will kill you in 2 shots? Unless your a Krogan.

Not fair on those who want to do well and put on there best consumables, as your simply detrimental to the team.

Um, lots of lvl 20 kits spec out of fitness, or skip the health/shield bonuses.

Meaning that their health doesn't change much as they level up. So, is everyone using those builds leeching, too?

[TheThirdRace]

fallen_acolyte wrote...

You guys say its not leeching, but obviously at lv one you are more of a liability towards the team compared to any level. No matter how you justify it, someone always has to work harder when you join a match at lv one. How is that not leeching?

Well, following your logic if you're not the fourth best player of the world and you join a match with the best 3 players of the world, you wil always make it "harder" for them and thus you're leeching.

Also following your logic, if you're the top scorer of a match, all the others are leeching because they make it harder. Had one of them outscore you, you would be the one who leeched because you made it harder for that player. So technically, in a match there are always 3 leechers.

Nice point of view, I really like how you think...

Modifié par TheThirdRace, 21 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[ForTuchanka]

Less than level 15 on gold and not on my friends list? 



Sorry, I don't care about your mythical skills in the game when every stranger I've encountered over the past year that I've let play at low level on gold without a boot has been a huge disappointment (and usually ends up quitting leaving us without even their meager skills). This board seems to be populated strangely by tons of unicorns who claim they score in the top spot with lvl 1 builds on gold but somehow I only meet the donkeys who score last at level 12 and don't bother to use their equipment during the game when they do go down. Why bother to use a rocket when you can just bleed out and let someone else drop and use their's trying to get you back up?

Booting people who are not using BOTH appropriately leveled characters and gear (both permanent and consumable) for the difficulty has lead to a drop in frustrating games to maybe a single one every night or two. If you're supposedly so good that you can finish gold or platinum at low level, then you should be better with a properly leveled character. Save your personal challenge matches (finishing a game with nothing but level 1 quarian female melees!) and power leveling for private games with your friends. If you don't have enough friends to fill up private games, you should consider that your constant use of inappropriate characters for the difficulty is likely a factor in that.

Modifié par ForTuchanka, 21 mars 2013 - 04:17 .

[TheThirdRace]

@ForTuchanka
The problem is the argument was made that 100% of level 1 character will be leeching and that somehow your level is tied to leeching. Which is simply not true.

Leeching is not equal to your level. I see plenty of level 20 on Gold and Platinum that are even failing to act as a decoy, meaning they make it harder than soloing. Leeching is about skills and comprehension of the game, not the level.

On the other hand, I agree with you to boot those level 1 character because more than 99% of the time they will be terribad. It's up to you to decide what you'll do, but don't use the level as an accurate excuse, use it as an indication.

[dysomnium]

It always makes me happy when PUGs remove their kick markers from my name when I speak up and say, "it's okay if you're afraid to be outscored by a level 1." I've found that by insulting their egos, they're more likely to let me play.

Sad thing is, they usually quit.

[MaxCrushmore]

ForTuchanka wrote...

Less than level 15 on gold and not on my friends list? 



Sorry, I don't care about your mythical skills in the game when every stranger I've encountered over the past year that I've let play at low level on gold without a boot has been a huge disappointment (and usually ends up quitting leaving us without even their meager skills). This board seems to be populated strangely by tons of unicorns who claim they score in the top spot with lvl 1 builds on gold but somehow I only meet the donkeys who score last at level 12 and don't bother to use their equipment during the game when they do go down. Why bother to use a rocket when you can just bleed out and let someone else drop and use their's trying to get you back up?

Booting people who are not using BOTH appropriately leveled characters and gear (both permanent and consumable) for the difficulty has lead to a drop in frustrating games to maybe a single one every night or two. If you're supposedly so good that you can finish gold or platinum at low level, then you should be better with a properly leveled character. Save your personal challenge matches (finishing a game with nothing but level 1 quarian female melees!) and power leveling for private games with your friends. If you don't have enough friends to fill up private games, you should consider that your constant use of inappropriate characters for the difficulty is likely a factor in that.

Hey, overall I agree with your sentiment ... having said that, if I enter a lobby with a level 1 TGI (equivalent of any level 10 non-infiltrator) using a black widow X and level 3 amps, are you still going to kick me? (I always level infiltrators on Gold - and have done this many times). I understand if the person joins as a level 1 with no amps and a non dominant weapon, then yes they should be kicked ... but there are certainly more considerations that character level ...

[AktyNuria]

I'm usually afraid of doing this except with vanilla soldier - claymore + 1 point in adrenaline rush and 1 in granades and I won't be last on the scoreboard

[Kei-kun8610]

I just gave this a shot after reading this topic and posts. I promoted my infiltrators and used the TGI for easy mode. Points went into Stim and Cloak. My Harrier carried me. Lobby was 2 noobs with 1 guy at ~450 N7, also a Ghost (lvl 20). Results:
Ghost guy - 167,000
Me - 165,000
Others - <20,000

Modifié par Kei-kun8610, 21 mars 2013 - 04:45 .

[Shampoohorn]

Star fury wrote...
The question is: Would you do it without n7 challenge? 

Prior to Challenge System:  No effing way.
Now: Yes!  I find it to be fun and it has improved my skill with a number of kits.  It forces me out of my comfort zone with a given kit.  It's also the only way I can feel good about playing a Ghost.

Though I promise I won't do it next time we're in a match.  (Though the time after that...)

Daynan wrote...
Hey man, I didn't think of using grenade V with a lvl 1 before, I'll give it a shot.

Doooo eeet.  Next time we play, give it a shot.

GriM_AoD wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...
Convince them not to kick you and have at it.

Solution.
Host and start the game solo.

I think that's poor etiquette. I rarely do it except with my drellguard and that's only because he's my best kit in terms of DPS and wave soloing -- and much more fun as host.  Most of my one level kit suggestions are fine with a little lag but don't have quite right combo of DPS and survivability (in my hands) to make up for 3 noobs who might drop in without gear.  Meaning, I don't want to be responsible for creating a 30 minute match.  Better to be a client and let everyone make a judgement.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 21 mars 2013 - 04:53 .

[Beerfish]

If you have a high enough N7, Challenge points and high level weapons, nothing wrong with a level one character, otherwise I'd leave the lobby.

[MaxCrushmore]

fallen_acolyte wrote...

You guys say its not leeching, but obviously at lv one you are more of a liability towards the team compared to any level. No matter how you justify it, someone always has to work harder when you join a match at lv one. How is that not leeching?

Roughly %98 of the time you are correct ... however if a person has an optimal level 1 set up, they can still be very effective on Gold and contribute. Considering the state of gold PUGs on PSN, when I join with a level 1 infiltrator, I am ususally one of the people carrying others ...

[Beerfish]

dysomnium wrote...

It always makes me happy when PUGs remove their kick markers from my name when I speak up and say, "it's okay if you're afraid to be outscored by a level 1." I've found that by insulting their egos, they're more likely to let me play.

Sad thing is, they usually quit.

Can you give me one good reason why, without every playign with you I should know that you are any good?  Just one reason?

These threads are foolish because for some reason the good to great players that are joing at level one expect the other plays to KNOW they are good or great or take their word for it.

In games I have played the number of times low level players being really good is a vast minority to the number of times they sucked donkey balls, and yet as a person that has enver seen you play I'm supposed to welcome you with open arms?

[Beerfish]

MaxCrushmore wrote...

fallen_acolyte wrote...

You guys say its not leeching, but obviously at lv one you are more of a liability towards the team compared to any level. No matter how you justify it, someone always has to work harder when you join a match at lv one. How is that not leeching?

Roughly %98 of the time you are correct ... however if a person has an optimal level 1 set up, they can still be very effective on Gold and contribute. Considering the state of gold PUGs on PSN, when I join with a level 1 infiltrator, I am ususally one of the people carrying others ...

And that is the key point, 98% of the time I'm going to get a crap player rather than a very good player.  I don't like those odds.  As I said in another post, other things come into play like N& ratingm, challenge points and hgih level weapons but if a person is that great they may as well solo a game or two and get the levels up.

[Shampoohorn]

Beerfish wrote...

dysomnium wrote...
It always makes me happy when PUGs remove their kick markers from my name when I speak up and say, "it's okay if you're afraid to be outscored by a level 1." I've found that by insulting their egos, they're more likely to let me play.

Sad thing is, they usually quit.

Can you give me one good reason why, without every playign with you I should know that you are any good?  Just one reason?

These threads are foolish because for some reason the good to great players that are joing at level one expect the other plays to KNOW they are good or great or take their word for it.

In games I have played the number of times low level players being really good is a vast minority to the number of times they sucked donkey balls, and yet as a person that has enver seen you play I'm supposed to welcome you with open arms?

You can and should kick whomever you want.  As somebody said on page one: 'democracy in action'.

When I've gone game hunting with a level one kit, I always do it with my best weapons and some kind of ammo at III or IV.  If an X appears on my banner, I use my mic and soothe their concerns.  And I'll strap on more gear if I'm in a reasonable lobby.  So far, I've not been kicked.  So far, I've been an asset to the team.

If I am kicked, I'm not going to sweat it.  Their reasoning was sound.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 21 mars 2013 - 05:02 .

[ForTuchanka]

MaxCrushmore wrote...

Hey, overall I agree with your sentiment ... having said that, if I enter a lobby with a level 1 TGI (equivalent of any level 10 non-infiltrator) using a black widow X and level 3 amps, are you still going to kick me? (I always level infiltrators on Gold - and have done this many times). I understand if the person joins as a level 1 with no amps and a non dominant weapon, then yes they should be kicked ... but there are certainly more considerations that character level ...

Sorry but I'd boot you.  I'm not interested frankly in making a deep personal connection with every random person in a PUG like some sort of Mass Effect multiplayer version of eharmony.   I have only two things by which to make snap judgements on in the lobby... my own subjective experience and the objective information on your character (level, weapons, equipment).  Your personal subjective claims on skill don't matter to me as my own experience has shown me that in my over 2,000 games of Mass Effect multiplayer that I've been disappointed by random players using low for the difficulty level class EVERY TIME except once over the past year even when I plug my mic in and talk with the player.  Almost every person who responded via the mic claimed they'd be fine and most even brag that they'd outscore me.. and then proceed to score dead last assuming that they don't quit half way through to avoid the shame (which happens half the time).   This includes several well known BSN "celebrity" frequent posters who brag frequently about their skills as well as players with N7/challenge rank in the tens of thousands.   I don't even mind if someone simply isn't good at the game as long as they're trying.  Choosing an appropriately leveled and equiped player shows me that you're willing to put for the effort to win in the lobby as well as that you're willing to invest in the game (and not just quit out if things go bad).    

Don't get me wrong.. if we play first for a few games with approrpriately leveled characters and you earn my respect (and I earn yours in return) then I don't have a problem allowing it.  I let my friend power level quite frequently on gold since I know they can cut it as well as that they'll try.   I'm simply not willing to waste 20-30 minutes of my free time being frustrated on a gold or platinum game when my personal experience has shown me that over 99% of the time random players with inappropriate characters frequently don't try hard to win and when they do they frankly don't do well despite their grandeous pregame claims.   Will I occasionally be wrong?  Absolutely.. but it's only happened once in the hundreds of times (out of thousands of total games) I've allowed people to prove me wrong.  I'm willing to put up with being right only 99% of the time when my failed or frustratingly hard game ratio has gone from every second or third game to once every few days.   It's not perfect but it's the best indicator I've found.

Modifié par ForTuchanka, 21 mars 2013 - 05:05 .

[Star fury]

Shampoohorn wrote...
Prior to Challenge System:  No effing way.
Now: Yes!  I find it to be fun and it has improved my skill with a number of kits.  It forces me out of my comfort zone with a given kit.  It's also the only way I can feel good about playing a Ghost.

I see. I wish promotion had some tangible reward. 

Shampoohorn wrote...
Though I promise I won't do it next time we're in a match.  (Though the time after that...)

Why not? You're free to bring lvl 1 even on plat. 

[MaxCrushmore]

Beerfish wrote...

MaxCrushmore wrote...

fallen_acolyte wrote...

You guys say its not leeching, but obviously at lv one you are more of a liability towards the team compared to any level. No matter how you justify it, someone always has to work harder when you join a match at lv one. How is that not leeching?

Roughly %98 of the time you are correct ... however if a person has an optimal level 1 set up, they can still be very effective on Gold and contribute. Considering the state of gold PUGs on PSN, when I join with a level 1 infiltrator, I am ususally one of the people carrying others ...

And that is the key point, 98% of the time I'm going to get a crap player rather than a very good player.  I don't like those odds.  As I said in another post, other things come into play like N& ratingm, challenge points and hgih level weapons but if a person is that great they may as well solo a game or two and get the levels up.

I only play infiltrators at sub level 10 on gold personally. Besides the character level though, there are other indicators as to who falls into the other %2 ... as I stated in another post on this thread, if I join your lobby with a level 1 TGI, but am using a BW X, with grenade capacity V, sniper amp III, AP III, with 1900 N7 10,000 Challenge pts (both typically meaningless i agree, but indicators) ... can you unilaterally say that this kit will not contribute?

Again, when a level 1 joins using an avenger with no mods, you have found someone who falls into that %98 category.

Common sense can tell you who belongs and who doesn't

[MaxCrushmore]

ForTuchanka wrote...

MaxCrushmore wrote...

Hey, overall I agree with your sentiment ... having said that, if I enter a lobby with a level 1 TGI (equivalent of any level 10 non-infiltrator) using a black widow X and level 3 amps, are you still going to kick me? (I always level infiltrators on Gold - and have done this many times). I understand if the person joins as a level 1 with no amps and a non dominant weapon, then yes they should be kicked ... but there are certainly more considerations that character level ...

Sorry but I'd boot you.  I'm not interested frankly in making a deep personal connection with every random person in a PUG like some sort of Mass Effect multiplayer version of eharmony.   I have only two things by which to make snap judgements on in the lobby... my own subjective experience and the objective information on your character (level, weapons, equipment).  Your personal subjective claims on skill don't matter to me as my own experience has shown me that in my over 2,000 games of Mass Effect multiplayer that I've been disappointed by random players using low for the difficulty level class EVERY TIME except once over the past year even when I plug my mic in and talk with the player.  Almost every person who responded via the mic claimed they'd be fine and most even brag that they'd outscore me.. and then proceed to score dead last assuming that they don't quit half way through to avoid the shame (which happens half the time).   This includes several well known BSN "celebrity" frequent posters who brag frequently about their skills as well as players with N7/challenge rank in the tens of thousands.   I don't even mind if someone simply isn't good at the game as long as they're trying.  Choosing an appropriately leveled and equiped player shows me that you're willing to put for the effort to win in the lobby as well as that you're willing to invest in the game (and not just quit out if things go bad).    

Don't get me wrong.. if we play first for a few games with approrpriately leveled characters and you earn my respect (and I earn yours in return) then I don't have a problem allowing it.  I let my friend power level quite frequently on gold since I know they can cut it as well as that they'll try.   I'm simply not willing to waste 20-30 minutes of my free time being frustrated on a gold or platinum game when my personal experience has shown me that over 99% of the time random players with inappropriate characters frequently don't try hard to win and when they do they frankly don't do well despite their grandeous pregame claims.   Will I occasionally be wrong?  Absolutely.. but it's only happened once in the hundreds of times (out of thousands of total games) I've allowed people to prove me wrong.  I'm willing to put up with being right only 99% of the time when my failed or frustratingly hard game ratio has gone from every second or third game to once every few days.   It's not perfect but it's the best indicator I've found.

Valid point ... and reason to be kicked for sure, even if their kit shows they are not leeching. Personally, if someone is using a good weapon and level 3 or 4 amps, I wouldn't care what level their character was (esp if an infiltrator)

But your reasoning is understood ... I also have NOT been kicked yet using this setup on Gold on PSN ... but the state of PUGging there is currently horrid and I have to be a (or the) main contributor anyways ...

[Hulk Hsieh]

Level 1 carrying 9 missiles and using them >> Level 20 and not using missiles.