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[Garrus is my Shepard]

After finally getting around to playing Dragon Age Origins, I was wondering what I have to do to make Alistair king at the Landsmeet and have him not hate me.

Does he have to kill Loghain?

I'm playing as a male human noble, thanks!

[thats1evildude]

You want Alistair to be king and NOT hate you? That's pretty simple.

Make sure he's hardened, first off, as he becomes more receptive to taking the throne. At the Landsmeet, either kill Loghain yourself or have Alistair do it, and then say "Alistair shall be king." That's it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 22 mars 2013 - 06:41 .

[Garrus is my Shepard]

thats1evildude wrote...

You want Alistair to be king and NOT hate you? That's pretty simple.

Make sure he's hardened, first off, as he becomes more receptive to taking the throne. At the Landsmeet, either kill Loghain yourself or have Alistair do it, and then say "Alistair shall be king." That's it.

Thanks! Sorry if that was a stupid question lol. What dialogue do I have to pick to harden Alistair, and how much does his approval play into it?

[Fiacre]

Garrus is my Shepard wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

You want Alistair to be king and NOT hate you? That's pretty simple.

Make sure he's hardened, first off, as he becomes more receptive to taking the throne. At the Landsmeet, either kill Loghain yourself or have Alistair do it, and then say "Alistair shall be king." That's it.

Thanks! Sorry if that was a stupid question lol. What dialogue do I have to pick to harden Alistair, and how much does his approval play into it?

You need to get his approval high enough to get him to talk about his sister, then visit said sister, then say "Everyone is out for themselves" afterwards. (Take care, though -- don't confuse this with telling him that he's an idiot and shouldn't have expected anything better. He'll be very cranky. Like losing all that approval you raised so diligently cranky.) Then raise his approval further until he approaches you saying that he thought about what you said and that he agrees that he should stand up for himself more -- confirm that that's what you meant and he'll be hardened. I think you still get -2 disapproval, but at this point that's really a minor setback and hardly inidcative ofhim hating you.

(Though, really, if you're a noble yourself, why make Alistair King? That throne could be yours! ...Well, at least the title of prince-consort.)

[Forst1999]

I always had the impression that an un-hardened Alistair doesn't hold it against you if you promise you'll help him when he rants after making him king.

[Warden Commander David]

Forst1999 wrote...

I always had the impression that an un-hardened Alistair doesn't hold it against you if you promise you'll help him when he rants after making him king.

Yeah, he comes into the room upset about it...but all is well by the end of the conversation.

Never did it seem like Alistair hated the PC for it...and I never harden Alistair...because in my opinion...a hardened Alistair is not Alistair.

Modifié par Warden Commander David, 22 mars 2013 - 07:37 .

[FreakyBigGuy]

- Do Alistair's quest and "harden" him. You need to speak to him back at camp, not only after the quest (Note: You can still "reverse" hardening at camp).

- Convince Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet

- Duel Loghain yourself. Recruit him.

- Choose the "you're supposed to marry" option (when Anora and Alistair argue about Loghain)

- Alistair will leave your party, but he'll be king.

I "robbed" these instructions somewhere from this forum ages ago and can't point to right person. Have done it myself this way.

Modifié par FreakyBigGuy, 22 mars 2013 - 10:28 .

[timisush]

Harden Alistair by picking the option "Everyone is out for themselves" after his personal quest. He is still his goofy former self but he accepts being King quite willingly and seems to have more confidence in his abilities. Basically it's Alistair except a less whiny and more independent version of himself rofl. Makes for a way better King and it's the only way to remain in romance with him if you are not a human noble.

You have to kill Loghain for Alistair to remain in your party. You have the option to do it yourself in case you want to pair Alistair up with Anora. Imo I say put her in the tower to starve.

Modifié par timisush, 23 mars 2013 - 08:49 .

[Jeffonl1]

Just remember that a second convo occurs in camp (after the Goldana convo). He is only hardened after this second conversation.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

FYI, Alistair won't hate you if you make him king without hardening him. He doesn't *want* to be king if he's not hardened, but he won't hate you if you give him the Crown.

He will only truly despise the Wardens that let Loghain live, whether or not you harden him.

[Shinobu]

FreakyBigGuy wrote...

- Do Alistair's quest and "harden" him. You need to speak to him back at camp, not only after the quest (Note: You can still "reverse" hardening at camp).

- Convince Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet

- Duel Loghain yourself. Recruit him.

- Choose the "you're supposed to marry" option (when Anora and Alistair argue about Loghain)

- Alistair will leave your party, but he'll be king.

I "robbed" these instructions somewhere from this forum ages ago and can't point to right person. Have done it myself this way.

He'll also be extremely pissed because Loghain is alive. The OP doesn't want Alistair to hate him.

[FreakyBigGuy]

Actually to me it seems he gets quite well over with right dialogue options. Especially after the conclusion if you don't do the deed, but Loghain. But true, you hardly will be the best duo after this.

But I think it is better to be king than wandering drunkard, PC doesn't have to die and no dark magic is involved.

Plus PC gets to bail out of duty and gets the better part of valour

[sylvanaerie]

FreakyBigGuy wrote...

Actually to me it seems he gets quite well over with right dialogue options. Especially after the conclusion if you don't do the deed, but Loghain. But true, you hardly will be the best duo after this.

But I think it is better to be king than wandering drunkard, PC doesn't have to die and no dark magic is involved.

Plus PC gets to bail out of duty and gets the better part of valour

Actually Alistair is extremely pissed at a Warden who lets Loghain live.  He's less so if Loghain is the one who dies in the final battle, but he's still pissed at the Warden. 

Toolset notes for the actor's delivery of lines describe them as "Sarcastic and bitter".  I'd say he's not 'getting over it' any time soon, the Warden has ruined what camaraderie/friendship they had.

Perhaps in a distant future he may come to terms with it, but definitely not during the events of the game.

I've only let Loghain live once, when I wanted the drunken Alistair cameo for DA2.  Frankly, I consider it the larkiest as far from canon game I could have possibly played, doing all the things I could never bring myself to do in the game before, just before the sequel was released because I was unsure if I'd ever play it again.  And got the Redemption achievement.  Even then I couldn't let the bastard get off scott free for all he did.

[FreakyBigGuy]

At the moment when you recruit Loghain, Alistair is really pissed, yes. But at the Post-Coronation wrap up when Alistair gives a little bitter comment, You can ask is he still angry and he says no. He isn't happy about it, but conflicted.

Actually at the Awakening cameo he seems (to me) somewhat more "annoyed" than at the Origins wrap up.

Alistair should see that without Loghain somebody of the good guys would need to toss the final bet, maybe even his best friend

[ejoslin]

Well, according to the toolset, Alistair is supposed to sound like he just doesn't like the warden any more and wants him/her to go away. He's not actively angry or anything like that, but he is through with the warden.

[Shinobu]

A shame the Warden can't tell Alistair what happened.

"You wanted him dead? I destroyed his soul."

*Alistair flees screaming*

[FreakyBigGuy]

@ejoslin: Ok, I have no info about toolset descriptions. I take this descriptions is at the Landsmeet?

@Shinobu: I can just imagine

[Shinobu]

FreakyBigGuy wrote...

@ejoslin: Ok, I have no info about toolset descriptions. I take this descriptions is at the Landsmeet?

I believe ejoslin and sylvanaerie are referring to the tone which the actor is instructed to use at the end of the game (after the coronation). The way Alistair says "your adoring public" in that bitter tone of voice made quite clear to me that all was not okay, nor would be any time soon.

Modifié par Shinobu, 29 mars 2013 - 06:20 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

ejoslin wrote...

Well, according to the toolset, Alistair is supposed to sound like he just doesn't like the warden any more and wants him/her to go away. He's not actively angry or anything like that, but he is through with the warden.

I guess I can see that. A lot of my Wardens move to Denerim, though, and one of them spared Loghain. Poor Alistair. (The tone in that case sounds like "Well, I guess we can try being friends again...")

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 30 mars 2013 - 01:03 .

[FreakyBigGuy]

Oh Alistair, get over yourself. Maybe I have been too optimistic.

[KaylaraRogue]

other than letting the jerk Loghain live, how do I get Alistair to want to be king without having to hardening him after his sister. I am a female noble so I can get him to marry my character but I want him to take a stand. Do I have to have him fight loghain and kill him to realize Anora is out to get him?

[Ferretinabun]

If Alistair is not hardened, then he never really takes the crown with good grace. You can talk him down to some degree, but he'll still be initially angry that you put him on the throne. I think you can still marry him though.

Having Alistair fight Loghain merely removes the option of keeping Loghain on as a Grey Warden since Alistair will execute him immediately.

[Corker]

Although I think if Alistair kills Loghain, Anora will refuse to marry him.

Does unhardened Alistair autoslay Loghain, or just hardened Alistair? I don't remember anymore.

[Ferretinabun]

Corker wrote...

Although I think if Alistair kills Loghain, Anora will refuse to marry him.

True. She'll never marry her father's executioner.

Does unhardened Alistair autoslay Loghain, or just hardened Alistair? I don't remember anymore.

I'm 90% sure he'll autoslay him, hardened or not.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 27 janvier 2014 - 11:15 .