The Mad Hanar wrote...
Just goes to show that gamers don't appreciate stories that go outside the box. If it doesn't start with a princess to save and end with the princess saved gamers usually hate it.
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
introductory game?www.youtube.com/watch,www.youtube.com/watch pretty much the sameEnvyTB075 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
i actually agree.The Mad Hanar wrote...
Just goes to show that gamers don't appreciate stories that go outside the box. If it doesn't start with a princess to save and end with the princess saved gamers usually hate it.
www.youtube.com/watch
"Great ending"
For an introductory game, yeah, but in case you were living under a rock Naughty Dog specifically write the Uncharted games with the Indiana Jones style and feeling, so of course its going to be pretty standard. Thats the whole point of the series.
That and i haven't seen any praise regarding U1's end sequence specifically, and i agree its not the greatest thing ever.
Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 23 mars 2013 - 01:42 .
The Mad Hanar wrote...
Just goes to show that gamers don't appreciate stories that go outside the box. If it doesn't start with a princess to save and end with the princess saved gamers usually hate it.
Applepie_Svk wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
Yes they were... as much Geth intervention under the Sovereign´s control... or the Zha´til influenced by Reapers....
yes and thus I pick my games accordingly now by going full spoiler town before purchasing them.....Mass Effect taught me as muchThe Mad Hanar wrote...
Just goes to show that gamers don't appreciate stories that go outside the box. If it doesn't start with a princess to save and end with the princess saved gamers usually hate it.
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
Ultrabobo wrote...
Then i guess it was just a matter of saving face for the reapers. Something like:
- Hey, they made peace down there, synthetics and organics
- Oh crap, now what?
- Bah, let's keep harvesting, no one will know the details 50.000 years from now
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
introductory game?www.youtube.com/watch,www.youtube.com/watch pretty much the sameEnvyTB075 wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
i actually agree.The Mad Hanar wrote...
Just goes to show that gamers don't appreciate stories that go outside the box. If it doesn't start with a princess to save and end with the princess saved gamers usually hate it.
www.youtube.com/watch
"Great ending"
For an introductory game, yeah, but in case you were living under a rock Naughty Dog specifically write the Uncharted games with the Indiana Jones style and feeling, so of course its going to be pretty standard. Thats the whole point of the series.
That and i haven't seen any praise regarding U1's end sequence specifically, and i agree its not the greatest thing ever.
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
No it does not render the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot. Why? Because the created are still rebelling, even though organics give them reasons to.
Notice that Catalyst doesn't assign blame to the synthetics...in fact Catalyst can say about organics "you bring it on yourselves".
And remember peace was achieved because a being that was a hybrid of organic and synthetic used the geth upgrades to force the quarians to hold fire or face destruction.
And EDI gets along with the crew, great......now she should announce to the entire Citadel that she is an AI and see what happens.....
Ultrabobo wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
No it does not render the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot. Why? Because the created are still rebelling, even though organics give them reasons to.
Notice that Catalyst doesn't assign blame to the synthetics...in fact Catalyst can say about organics "you bring it on yourselves".
And remember peace was achieved because a being that was a hybrid of organic and synthetic used the geth upgrades to force the quarians to hold fire or face destruction.
And EDI gets along with the crew, great......now she should announce to the entire Citadel that she is an AI and see what happens.....
I think there's a difference between going Skynet on the world and trying to not be destroyed.
Geth didn't decide to wipe out the Quarians, Quarians attacked because they though it could, maybe, someday happen. To me makes a world of difference.
As for the Edi part, that's prejudice, not rebellion
txgoldrush wrote...
ever thought that the source of the rebellion could be actions from organics?
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
No it does not render the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot. Why? Because the created are still rebelling, even though organics give them reasons to.
Notice that Catalyst doesn't assign blame to the synthetics...in fact Catalyst can say about organics "you bring it on yourselves".
And remember peace was achieved because a being that was a hybrid of organic and synthetic used the geth upgrades to force the quarians to hold fire or face destruction.
And EDI gets along with the crew, great......now she should announce to the entire Citadel that she is an AI and see what happens.....
I think there's a difference between going Skynet on the world and trying to not be destroyed.
Geth didn't decide to wipe out the Quarians, Quarians attacked because they though it could, maybe, someday happen. To me makes a world of difference.
As for the Edi part, that's prejudice, not rebellion
ever thought that the source of the rebellion could be actions from organics?
txgoldrush wrote...
The Quarain/Geth peace was done because Shepard forced the Quarians to peace. They just didn't figure it out themselves, they were forced to peace or faced destruction. Without Shepard, there would be no peace.
EDI is not large scope...nevermind she also turned against her creators.
daaaav wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
The Quarain/Geth peace was done because Shepard forced the Quarians to peace. They just didn't figure it out themselves, they were forced to peace or faced destruction. Without Shepard, there would be no peace.
EDI is not large scope...nevermind she also turned against her creators.
This is getting obtuse...
You can't know that they couldn't figure it out for themselves. Could the Krogan and Salarians figure out the genophage by themselves? I don't know. You are right that a predecessor of Edi (a VI, not a true AI) turned on its creator. But Edi, did not.
What is large scale by the way?
Ultrabobo wrote...
To be fair, Edi did rebel against the creators. Still isn't a threat worthy or galactic harvest, but it happened
Modifié par EnvyTB075, 23 mars 2013 - 02:20 .
Ultrabobo wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
I know i'm possibly derailing in the really off topic here (that's an understatement), but this turn got me thinking.
Unless i've gotten it completely wrong, which is totally possible, weren't the quarians to start the morning war? Didn't the Geth just defend themselves, unless controlled by the reapers?
I think this renders the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot.. If it wasn't already considering the peace achieved in ME3
No it does not render the whole created will always rebel against the creators point a little moot. Why? Because the created are still rebelling, even though organics give them reasons to.
Notice that Catalyst doesn't assign blame to the synthetics...in fact Catalyst can say about organics "you bring it on yourselves".
And remember peace was achieved because a being that was a hybrid of organic and synthetic used the geth upgrades to force the quarians to hold fire or face destruction.
And EDI gets along with the crew, great......now she should announce to the entire Citadel that she is an AI and see what happens.....
I think there's a difference between going Skynet on the world and trying to not be destroyed.
Geth didn't decide to wipe out the Quarians, Quarians attacked because they though it could, maybe, someday happen. To me makes a world of difference.
As for the Edi part, that's prejudice, not rebellion
ever thought that the source of the rebellion could be actions from organics?
I did, but is not my point.
Machines aren't rebelling because they believe to be the superior beings and deem necessary to kill organics.
Machines are rebelling against extintion, if we could call it rebellion. Judging by what i know, Geth defended themselves, drove the Quarians from Rannoch and then just stood there for nearly 300 years, until Sovereign woke up and decided to use them to start the harvest.
It's hardly threatening to all organic life if you ask me.
EnvyTB075 wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
To be fair, Edi did rebel against the creators. Still isn't a threat worthy or galactic harvest, but it happened
If you can call someone suddenly gaining intelligence and going "WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?" and merely going haywire "rebellion".
txgoldrush wrote...
However, what if they reach the point where they decide to destroy all organics because they always attack them?
The Geth will finally realize they may have to kill their creators and they will if given the chance.
txgoldrush wrote...
EnvyTB075 wrote...
Ultrabobo wrote...
To be fair, Edi did rebel against the creators. Still isn't a threat worthy or galactic harvest, but it happened
If
you can call someone suddenly gaining intelligence and going
"WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?" and merely going haywire "rebellion".
EDI turns against Cerberus...she by fact, rebelled against her creators.
Modifié par EnvyTB075, 23 mars 2013 - 02:25 .
Darth Brotarian wrote...
When has anyone ever rebelled because they thought they were superior to their oppressors? Usually it's becasue their current ruling body mistreats them that they decide to rebel in the first place.
Modifié par Ultrabobo, 23 mars 2013 - 02:25 .
Ultrabobo wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
When has anyone ever rebelled because they thought they were superior to their oppressors? Usually it's becasue their current ruling body mistreats them that they decide to rebel in the first place.
I'm guessing Terminator and Matrix. Hal9000?
Ultrabobo wrote...
@EnvyTB075: I'm just saying Edi "rebelled" against her/it's creators, Cerberus. Merely stating the fact. Personally i think was a good thing, and in no way a threat to anyone, just calling it as i see it.
@txgoldrush: Now we're dealing in what ifs, So what if organics stop shooting Geth and they all live toghether? What ifs work both ways.
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