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[Archonsg]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Michael Gamble, the producer, likes Synthesis. What does that say about him?

Someone not big on thinking things through?

[Reorte]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Forcing an unnatural change upon trillions of sentient beings without any form of consent without any knowledge of side effects, long term negative effects, etc.  Oh and it's tantamount to submission to the Reapers' leader as far as I'm concerned.

It's a grotesquely apalling thing to do even if you have full knowledge of the effects and they're all positive. Such an invasive concept is utterly repugnant no matter what it does if it's forced.

[Applepie_Svk]

Archonsg wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Michael Gamble, the producer, likes Synthesis. What does that say about him?

Someone not big on thinking things through?

I have a lot of attributes for this "art", but mentioning some of them would ensure my ban once again...

[Drewton]

Reorte wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Forcing an unnatural change upon trillions of sentient beings without any form of consent without any knowledge of side effects, long term negative effects, etc.  Oh and it's tantamount to submission to the Reapers' leader as far as I'm concerned.

It's a grotesquely apalling thing to do even if you have full knowledge of the effects and they're all positive. Such an invasive concept is utterly repugnant no matter what it does if it's forced.

It's like Steve Jobs forcing implanted Apple devices into everyone and everything

[Archonsg]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Michael Gamble, the producer, likes Synthesis. What does that say about him?

Someone not big on thinking things through?

I have a lot of attributes for this "art", but mentioning some of them would ensure my ban once again...

I hear you.


I have to say though, for someone who is such a good character writer, everyone loves Garrus afterall, he doesn't seem to apply the "what would paragon / renegade Shepard do?" question with the ending.


ps: oops! I think I got my writers mixed up. My bad. 

Modifié par Archonsg, 22 mars 2013 - 10:55 .

[Kel Riever]

That's like saying would I like the ending(s) if there were choices that mattered, they were better written, and they made sense.

Well, yeah.

[Nicodemus]

The only way I'd even contemplate Synthesis is if it a) doesn't involve jumping into a beam and doesn't involve a "spacemagic" implementation.

The only way it could be acceptable is if we saw slides of injured soldiers being given cybernetic implants to replace missing limbs/organs. If the change to a symbiosis of organic and machine was seen as a slow but steady improvement of the galaxy, where Geth programs interact with cybernetic implants to enhance the body's acceptance of foreign material (much like the geth programs helping the Quarians, now THAT was a good application of synthesis). But most importantly of all would be that it was a voluntary decision, where the application of synthesis was seen as an upgrade, a clear step towards becoming transhuman and not a forced violation.

That to me would make it somewhat acceptable. The jump in a beam, happy clappy green DNA rape ending we got was and is abhorrent.

[michaelfierro1990]

Well, this turned interesting during my absence. Thank you for the responses everyone, I believe I'll sit back and sees where it goes.

I would like to remind people that this discussion isn't whether Synthesis IN ITS CURRENT STATE IS MORAL OR NOT, but if the choice would become more appealing with the attempt in taking away the mass decision making for the galaxy.

And on a second note, as Wight mentioned earlier, would you be more affable to synthesis if it came from a different source?

[Pottumuusi]

No.

[Applepie_Svk]

Archonsg wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Michael Gamble, the producer, likes Synthesis. What does that say about him?

Someone not big on thinking things through?

I have a lot of attributes for this "art", but mentioning some of them would ensure my ban once again...

I hear you.


I have to say though, for someone who is such a good character writer, everyone loves Garrus afterall, he doesn't seem to apply the "what would paragon / renegade Shepard do?" question with the ending.


ps: oops! I think I got my writers mixed up. My bad. 

Ending was work of only two people from whole team, if someone should be blamed that´s up to them, they left whole team out of office while they were cooking their "deep" ending which managed only to divide and destroy franchise an its fanbase.

The only thing which I was always wondering about how could they thought that everyone would like it, I have such a theory that they both´ve made irrational ending only for their own amusement instead of doing an ending for franchise.
Yet I find pretty much wicked whole message which was against of what previous Shepard was always about, just too many machiavelism out there and what I really don´t like that so many people jumped to boat and deffending something which was against Shepard´s character or estabilished narrative.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 23 mars 2013 - 12:15 .

[Killdren88]

I don't accept anything that allows the Reapers to exist. They murdered trillions and that will not go unpunished. The galactic version of community service is not acceptable.

[EnvyTB075]

Archonsg wrote...

I have to say though, for someone who is such a good character writer, everyone loves Garrus afterall, he doesn't seem to apply the "what would paragon / renegade Shepard do?" question with the ending.

I don't think anyone has denied that Walters is good at writing characters, just at major plot lines hes terribad.

[Random Geth]

No.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 

[KingZayd]

No.

The Reapers need to be destroyed. Don't care too much about organics vs synthetics, and don't believe Synthesis would bring peace anyway.

[jacob taylor416]

This is better, but I would prefer an ending where Shepard or another character hacks and bypasses the catalyst shutting him down and allows something like synthesis where it if it gives organics a boost (not synthesizing the DNA cause that is just stupid) instead I would rather have more of a biological implant to the organic's organ systems, connecting everyone to the extra-net and giving organics the knowledge of the previous cycles; Synthetics get individuality and ability to feel emotions. You still have to fight the reapers, but with your new upgrades and the catalyst deactivated the you now have the upper hand, but war is war and people die (possibly your squad-mates or former squad-mates) how many and who depends on your EMS.

[AcidwireX]

Synthesis as a concept is disgusting. So...no.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Sure I'd pick it










if I wanted to doom every species in our galaxy to cultural stagnation.

[Pelle6666]

Nope.

[jacob taylor416]

Nicodemus wrote...

The only way I'd even contemplate Synthesis is if it a) doesn't involve jumping into a beam and doesn't involve a "spacemagic" implementation.

The only way it could be acceptable is if we saw slides of injured soldiers being given cybernetic implants to replace missing limbs/organs. If the change to a symbiosis of organic and machine was seen as a slow but steady improvement of the galaxy, where Geth programs interact with cybernetic implants to enhance the body's acceptance of foreign material (much like the geth programs helping the Quarians, now THAT was a good application of synthesis). But most importantly of all would be that it was a voluntary decision, where the application of synthesis was seen as an upgrade, a clear step towards becoming transhuman and not a forced violation.

That to me would make it somewhat acceptable. The jump in a beam, happy clappy green DNA rape ending we got was and is abhorrent.

Also, this is very interesting. I would possibly prefer more of a step to "synthesis", like being able to mentally communicate with the extranet, other people and machines, and synthetics feeling emotion; but not that glowing light and circuit board stuff they gave us, especially on the plants and trees, I mean what is the plant now going to do? post on the extranet "hold on I'm being eaten, liked"

Modifié par jacob taylor416, 23 mars 2013 - 01:24 .

[Chashan]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Michael Gamble, the producer, likes Synthesis. What does that say about him?

He and others with the idea for it should have looked farther afield for utopiae and characters who primarily carry persuasion and conviction for those upon their back. My lovely key example for that:

www.youtube.com/watch

Incidentally, 'Divination' is presented by a far more fleshed-out, intimidating character than the waste of space in the form of the creature can ever hope to be. Said creature is one of the key reasons I feel no remorse for doing the cutting-room work for the developers in my playthroughs. Its presence does pretty much make and break the entire final sequence.

Ironically enough, they might just as well have asked Mr Sheen whether he'd be willing to lay down the exact specifics of the device. They did not like another 'assuming direct control'-moment like in good ol' ME1? Fine, then have one where your precious Reap-hurr Führer takes control of TIM's corpse and speaks through that. Not unprecedented in the series, either.


Still, as far as the OP goes, it definitely would be one step to improving an otherwise rather dubious finale. A deal better than Reap-hurrs stomping around like nothing at all happened.

Modifié par Chashan, 23 mars 2013 - 01:53 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

You know a Utopia sounds nice, but it would be a very stagnate environment, it is only through hardship we evolve and create, imagine a place where nothing ever changes, that would be boring as ****.


Just food for thought.

[Makrys]

Lol yeah.

Not.

[jacob taylor416]

For all of you who just post "no." or "nope" thank you for your constructive criticism and and personal input, it is certainly more interesting than the other 40 people to do so. It's fine for a poll or the start of a topic but if you have nothing constructive to give, please don't post here. Or at least give a reason why, not just "no"...

[Makrys]

jacob taylor416 wrote...

For all of you who just post "no." or "nope" thank you for your constructive criticism and and personal input, it is certainly more interesting than the other 40 people to do so. It's fine for a poll or the start of a topic but if you have nothing constructive to give, please don't post here. Or at least give a reason why, not just "no"...

Ok.