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[MP-Ryan]

Also can't takt FTL seriously, as he ranked the Krogan as more powerful than the Novaguard, and the Batarian. The Asari and Drell are also statistically less powerful and versatile than the novaguard, though this can be compensated for with grenade gear and thermal clip usage. Asari, Drell, and Krogan can also be played off-host effectively, while Novaguard and Slayer cannot.

In terms of raw damage output and uytility to coop, a competent novaguard or slayer can easily hold their own with the asari or drell, and all four of them outclass the Kroguard. Don't get me wrong, I love my Kroguard, but he is not the most powerful vanguard by a long shot.

[lavatsunami]

RedJohn is always right... end of discussion.

[megabeast37215]

RedJohn wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

1. Krogan Battlemaster
2. Asari Vanguard
3. Drell Vanguard
4. Batarian Brawler or N7 Slayer

1. Please... there isn't a PLAYER ALIVE who can outscore my Slayer with a Reegar Kroguard. Everything the Kroguard does.. only damages single targets (except Radius Charge which does medicore damage to 3 total targets, and has a long-ish cooldown on him).

2 & 3. On a map with double grenade boxes, there is a chance, but still.. not likely.

4. Batguard? Seriously? Seriously?

You sir... are a moron.

In those maps you have to spend time running to the box while the Slayer is living the party, don't forget that.

Very true.

The only two maps where the grenade vanguards have a chance is Goddess and Jade... and that's IF no other player is using grenades... and IF they hit the spawns just right. Slayer isn't dependant on any of that.

I wonder how much actual damage Phase Disruptor does with the 40% charge bonus, Power Amp IV, rank 4 & 5 power passives... it's gotta be around 1500 or so.

[MP-Ryan]

Ugh, can't edit from smartphone, should have said "ranked Krogan and Batarian more powerful than novaguard.". Novaguard outstrips them both easily, as long as you host.

[FasterThanFTL]

RedJohn wrote...

Time played = skill.

ohhh.

Just be quite RedJohn I have listened to your Bul**** long enough on this Forum, I have played this games 4 times the amount you have and your knowledge of the game is very very limited compared to me and many other players here. There is no way the N7 Slayer is better than the Top 3 I have mentioned Phase Disruptor just does not work very well off-host 90% of the time and without Phase Disruptor N7 Slayer should be ranked even lower. Any other logical reason you present why you think N7 Slayer is better than My Top 3, I will gladly change my mind.

With every post you make you are just looking worse :/

Okay, i gave you a good argument, granades are not infinite since you are basing that in granades, hence biocharge is the common thing between them and it will work in the same way off host.



Besides let's use logic here, let's don't talk about on host or off host because that's like if I say that a volus sentinel is better than a krogan soldier because the sentinel outscored me while I was having high internet latency due to a tropical storm.

If you go on host with Asari Vanguard your granades will run out sooner or later while you still have phase disruptor to spam to the infinite and beyond and while you are at it you can also detonate combos very very fast, Asari Vanguard can't do that because her only non cooldown power is a granade that soon or later will not be there.

I think you are forgetting Stasis plus Lift Grenades Biotic Combo, Stasis plus easy headshots, and Drells Speed and Insane Passives very conveniently which you would not have forgotten had you played this game more.

[RedJohn]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I believe you are talking to a brick wall RJ... the guy just doesn't know how to Slayer... so he cannot wrap his head around how infinite PD > limited grenade spam.

You are right 

[Ryumanjisen]

Slayer is the best Vanguard and arguably one of the best characters out there, specially if you don't invest points in that noisy ability called Biotic Slash.

Problem is, he's also the character who suffers more from the off-host lag. That's why you don't see him as often as the other vanguards.

[RedJohn]

FasterThanFTL wrote...
I think you are forgetting Stasis plus Lift Grenades Biotic Combo, Stasis plus easy headshots, and Drells Speed and Insane Passives very conveniently which you would not have forgotten had you played this game more.

I facepalmed so hard that I think I broke my nose.

[lavatsunami]

megabeast37215 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

1. Krogan Battlemaster
2. Asari Vanguard
3. Drell Vanguard
4. Batarian Brawler or N7 Slayer

1. Please... there isn't a PLAYER ALIVE who can outscore my Slayer with a Reegar Kroguard. Everything the Kroguard does.. only damages single targets (except Radius Charge which does medicore damage to 3 total targets, and has a long-ish cooldown on him).

2 & 3. On a map with double grenade boxes, there is a chance, but still.. not likely.

4. Batguard? Seriously? Seriously?

You sir... are a moron.

In those maps you have to spend time running to the box while the Slayer is living the party, don't forget that.

Very true.

The only two maps where the grenade vanguards have a chance is Goddess and Jade... and that's IF no other player is using grenades... and IF they hit the spawns just right. Slayer isn't dependant on any of that.

I wonder how much actual damage Phase Disruptor does with the 40% charge bonus, Power Amp IV, rank 4 & 5 power passives... it's gotta be around 1500 or so.

if you specced him full power with everything (talent/mods,etc) it would be 1320 for health/shields/barriers/ and 2310 for armor. 

[MP-Ryan]

I'm not sure how FasterThanFTL plays his vanguards, but it's apparently very different from the rest of us...

Although... You're not on a console, by chance? I could see PD being less effective without a mouse. But given the rest fo your argument, I'm inclined to think you just have some silly ideas about vanguard power.

[megabeast37215]

Lavatsunami: does that include the Pistol/SMG power amp too?

[Kalas Magnus]

if they un nerfed biotic slash i would use him again

[lavatsunami]

MP-Ryan wrote...

I'm not sure how FasterThanFTL plays his vanguards, but it's apparently very different from the rest of us...

Although... You're not on a console, by chance? I could see PD being less effective without a mouse. But given the rest fo your argument, I'm inclined to think you just have some silly ideas about vanguard power.

blasphemy!  RedJohn is part of the Master Race

[mijames1]

on host the slayer is the best vanguard in the game. Off host he is hit or miss but if you have a good connection PD still hits most of the time.

[lavatsunami]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lavatsunami: does that include the Pistol/SMG power amp too?

yep   pistol amp, adaptive war amp, power amplifier IV, and after a biotic charge

[Fortack]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I believe you are talking to a brick wall RJ... the guy just doesn't know how to Slayer... so he cannot wrap his head around how infinite PD > limited grenade spam.

Well, it's actually quite hard to ever run out of nades unless you never use weapons and want to kill lone husks with a lift-/cluster bombardment. Charge + shoot + lift-/cluster nade > Charge + shoot + PD. Saying something is better b/c it comes in unlimited supply is like saying the Lancer is better than the Harrier b/c it has infinite ammo.

The Ass-/Drellguard can deal significantly more damage in a short time which makes them the most deadly vanguards in the game. The Slayer isn't that far behind though, assuming you're hosting.

[RedJohn]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

if they un nerfed biotic slash i would use him again

The day they made the change to the evolution of bio charge, i found a build that was more or less good for biotic slash


50% chance of no cooldown on biocharge and if you don't change then bio slash to stunning and finish with PD, it worked fine so I think it would be good if someone wants to try an alternative build.

Modifié par RedJohn, 22 mars 2013 - 06:53 .

[Kommandant Schaefer]

my buddy just re-discovered it after the phase disruptor buff and with the right build the slayer is one of the more powerful kits.

[FasterThanFTL]

I never said N7 Slayer is bad but he is just the 4th Best Vanguard overall and a 1 trick pony. If you can play him really well while hosting you can argue he is the best but off-host he is a gamble depending upon the connection you get with the host.

OK I am going to go play the game now while RedJohn can post nonsense all day on the forums, I dont have enough time and energy to argue with Glorified Noobs like him.

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 22 mars 2013 - 06:56 .

[DHKany]

Kommandant Schäfer wrote...

my buddy just re-discovered it after the phase disruptor buff and with the right build the slayer is one of the more powerful kits.

It already was one of the more powerful kits prebuff. 

Now they just made even more amazing. 

[RedJohn]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

I never said N7 Slayer is bad but he is just the 4th Best Vanguard overall and a 1 trick pony. If you can play him really well while hosting you can argue he is the best but off-host he is a gamble depending upon the connection you get with the host.

All vanguards off host are like that

[MP-Ryan]

@lavatsunami

Reading comprehension, dude. My post was directed at FTL in the FIRST SENTENCE. (Smartphone browser dislikes quote function).

I don't know how in the world you decided that was directed at RedJohn.

[your-friendly-noggin]

RedJohn wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...

if they un nerfed biotic slash i would use him again

The day they made the change to the evolution of bio charge, i found a build that was more or less good for biotic slash


50% chance of no cooldown on biocharge and if you don't change then bio slash to stunning and finish with PD, it worked fine so I think it would be good if someone wants to try an alternative build.

I would love to give Slash a try with the new cd buff, can you link a narida for your build(or type if you think that's quicker)?

[LeandroBraz]

RedJohn wrote...

Time played = skill.

ohhh.

Just be quite RedJohn I have listened to your Bul**** long enough on this Forum, I have played this games 4 times the amount you have and your knowledge of the game is very very limited compared to me and many other players here. There is no way the N7 Slayer is better than the Top 3 I have mentioned Phase Disruptor just does not work very well off-host 90% of the time and without Phase Disruptor N7 Slayer should be ranked even lower. Any other logical reason you present why you think N7 Slayer is better than My Top 3, I will gladly change my mind.

With every post you make you are just looking worse :/

Okay, i gave you a good argument, granades are not infinite since you are basing that in granades, hence biocharge is the common thing between them and it will work in the same way off host.



Besides let's use logic here, let's don't talk about on host or off host because that's like if I say that a volus sentinel is better than a krogan soldier because the sentinel outscored me while I was having high internet latency due to a tropical storm.

If you go on host with Asari Vanguard your granades will run out sooner or later while you still have phase disruptor to spam to the infinite and beyond and while you are at it you can also detonate combos very very fast, Asari Vanguard can't do that because her only non cooldown power is a granade that soon or later will not be there.

Anyway, what is the purpose of ranking characters? They are all good, each one in their own way (krogan for survability, Asari and Drell for grenades, Slayer for lol infinite power), there's no reason to put them on a rank together. Plus, each player play differently, some are better with grenades, other with something like phase disruptor, what matter is that any of this kits are effecdtive, you can play well with them...