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[PetrosS]

No sarcasm towards the XBOX players is indented in what follows at all. Loads of speculation about Bioware's behaviour though.



Can someone explain to me why are people having a go at those who paid and downloaded the game yesterday on the XBOX by telling them that they were playing a 'leaked' game that wasn't ready to be released yet, blame Microsoft and be thankful to Bioware for pulling it in order to fix it?



The reason I ask this question is that if the game was not ready yet then how was it allowed to be on Microsoft's XBOX servers? Doesn't that mean that Bioware send it to them ready for release, having performed all their tests and just awaiting there for the agreed time to be released?



Or should everybody really thank Microsoft for 'leaking' the DLC to the XBOX players and thus provide Bioware with the necessary 'test team (the XBOX players)' to find all the bugs with RtO, as we already know that Bioware are stretched quite thinly with all the projects that they have running at the moment. (Mass Effect 2, RtO, Awakening, DA fixes for all platforms & whatever issues may prop up with the release of Mass Effect 2).



So, as a PC player myself that has never touched an XBOX, I sincerely and gratefully thank you the XBOX players and I hope that Bioware will reward you for your hard work yesterday!

[ZeroR3D]

Feraele wrote...

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

Short-sighted...

$5 piece of DLC x say, 500K (1/3 of console owners only) customers is still $2.5 million in revenue.  Could be higher, could be lower.  it's just as important to them as it is to us.  Getting it done, and doing it right will make EVERYONE a happy camper.

Modifié par ZeroR3D, 14 janvier 2010 - 11:03 .

[Bullets McDeath]

eriaa wrote...

Timurlane wrote...

It's seemingly even worse because in this case, the people comaplaining the most vocally and aggressively will be the first ones to purchase the DLC, making their entire case invalid. 
They're just complaining for attention, if they were even remotely serious about themselves or their point, they would have already decided not to support the DLC and would therefore stop caring when it is going to come out.

So true. You see it on any game forum. I always love this pic, because it perfectly discribes the online gaming community.

http://www.shrani.si...58048783080.jpg

Great link!

So true... no doubt the loudest voices of the opposition will be Day 1 customers, as well. The final nail in their whiny little coffin

[jennamarae]

Feraele wrote...

Its not as if Bioware is sitting there doing nothing.   They already have specifically stated they are examining all platforms currently for these glitches, bugs, what have you...more than likely to prevent any further delays than absolutely necessary.

So whats your problem?

Maybe it's just me, but isn't that what we've been hearing for almost a month now?

[What a Twist]

outlaworacle wrote...

eriaa wrote...

Timurlane wrote...

It's seemingly even worse because in this case, the people comaplaining the most vocally and aggressively will be the first ones to purchase the DLC, making their entire case invalid. 
They're just complaining for attention, if they were even remotely serious about themselves or their point, they would have already decided not to support the DLC and would therefore stop caring when it is going to come out.

So true. You see it on any game forum. I always love this pic, because it perfectly discribes the online gaming community.

http://www.shrani.si...58048783080.jpg

Great link!

So true... no doubt the loudest voices of the opposition will be Day 1 customers, as well. The final nail in their whiny little coffin

LMAO


I don't get i- "Call of duty modern warfare 2"
Call of duty modern warfare 2"

oh...

[Dahelia]

Feraele wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...



And I am SURE they gave that last bit of information in as timely a fashion as they were able.    This is what I am talking about, unreasonable expectations.

If the information isn't there at the time you demand it be...then be patient, its not like they are withholding anything world shaking from us..I'm pretty sure.   

From the looks of things..we have been getting info we require...AS THEY RECEIVE IT.    They can't give what they don't have.

Yeah because you are just one of those people that take their word as gold....I don't because there is more information, they just release the information that covers their behind.

No...I am not ..I will debate things..if I think its warranted.    This case scenario doesn't warrant it in my view.

Just looks like alot of "entitlement" going on..alot of erroneous speculation and conspiracy building, meanwhile these guys are working their tails off trying to fix whats going on behind the scenes.

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

I have witnessed this from the first day they first announced that RTO was coming...its never ending.   I am surprised they haven't shut us all down...period.

In other words..you'll get it when its ready...and thats that.

How about I do...all the time but I have a little more respect for my customers....5 dollars, 2 dollars, 10 dollars...it is money...money they want for a DLC they can't even get right.

So in other words...Bioware should be taken to accounting because Microsoft's employee messed up with that date..and that update patch.  Its all Bioware's fault..and Microsoft isn't also accountable? 

There are more factors involved here than just layingthe blame on Bioware.

If I read correctly...it seems that once this MS employee had erroneously let the RTO update with that patch, that Bioware did some scrambling to also attempt to get the PC one out...seems to me that was ahead of schedule and not planned..but done in an attempt to fix what happened.  

Meantime back at the ranch...this large bug with the title patch update happens,  sending them all hurrying to find where and what the problem was that was messing up the console gamer's save files etc.

Its not as if Bioware is sitting there doing nothing.   They already have specifically stated they are examining all platforms currently for these glitches, bugs, what have you...more than likely to prevent any further delays than absolutely necessary.

So whats your problem?

Uh...huh....there is just no point in even TRYING to justify my fustration to you, is there??? 

[Dahelia]

Feraele wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

Short-sighted...

$5 piece of DLC x say, 500K (1/3 of console owners only) customers is still $2.5 million in revenue.  Could be higher, could be lower.  it's just as important to them as it is to us.  Getting it done, and doing it right will make EVERYONE a happy camper.

You're saying I'm short-sighted?   hehe more like a good majority of the people on this forum are.   They can't see beyond the tip of their own noses, they can't fathom that there might be more than what meets the eye..technical difficulties that can't be solved by snapping one's fingers.

Oh I"m sure EA's bean counters come into this at some point or other..but the bean counters aren't responsible for long nights fixing software glitches.

Neither can you, you try to belittle everyone who is fustrated by saying "Be in their shoes" Sorry but I have and I have more respect for my customers. Whether it is Bioware's fault or Microsoft's fault, they still did what they did and ruined many games for people....then again, you can't see that.

[PetrosS]

Are spam posts deleted from this thread?



I'm only asking cos I feel like I'm seeing things and I haven't even started drinking.



Please feel free to delete this as confirmation, as I wouldn't want to add to these.



Thank you.

[Dahelia]

Feraele wrote...

jennamarae wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Its not as if Bioware is sitting there doing nothing.   They already have specifically stated they are examining all platforms currently for these glitches, bugs, what have you...more than likely to prevent any further delays than absolutely necessary.

So whats your problem?

Maybe it's just me, but isn't that what we've been hearing for almost a month now?

Again...I doubt very much there is a magic wand to fix all problems..and make them magically disappear, just because the customer is disgruntled and wants it NOW...dang it.

I know I am going to get some message for this or get yelled at...but for the love of the great goddess...shut up, you aren't solving anything just creating more problems with your justification of Bioware....

[Dahelia]

Feraele wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...



And I am SURE they gave that last bit of information in as timely a fashion as they were able.    This is what I am talking about, unreasonable expectations.

If the information isn't there at the time you demand it be...then be patient, its not like they are withholding anything world shaking from us..I'm pretty sure.   

From the looks of things..we have been getting info we require...AS THEY RECEIVE IT.    They can't give what they don't have.

Yeah because you are just one of those people that take their word as gold....I don't because there is more information, they just release the information that covers their behind.

No...I am not ..I will debate things..if I think its warranted.    This case scenario doesn't warrant it in my view.

Just looks like alot of "entitlement" going on..alot of erroneous speculation and conspiracy building, meanwhile these guys are working their tails off trying to fix whats going on behind the scenes.

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

I have witnessed this from the first day they first announced that RTO was coming...its never ending.   I am surprised they haven't shut us all down...period.

In other words..you'll get it when its ready...and thats that.

How about I do...all the time but I have a little more respect for my customers....5 dollars, 2 dollars, 10 dollars...it is money...money they want for a DLC they can't even get right.

So in other words...Bioware should be taken to accounting because Microsoft's employee messed up with that date..and that update patch.  Its all Bioware's fault..and Microsoft isn't also accountable? 

There are more factors involved here than just layingthe blame on Bioware.

If I read correctly...it seems that once this MS employee had erroneously let the RTO update with that patch, that Bioware did some scrambling to also attempt to get the PC one out...seems to me that was ahead of schedule and not planned..but done in an attempt to fix what happened.  

Meantime back at the ranch...this large bug with the title patch update happens,  sending them all hurrying to find where and what the problem was that was messing up the console gamer's save files etc.

Its not as if Bioware is sitting there doing nothing.   They already have specifically stated they are examining all platforms currently for these glitches, bugs, what have you...more than likely to prevent any further delays than absolutely necessary.

So whats your problem?

Uh...huh....there is just no point in even TRYING to justify my fustration to you, is there??? 

Justifying...I think you've done alot of that.  Probably for the last month or so..right? ^^  

And I will keep doing it, either you like it or you don't...shut up about it.

[What a Twist]

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

Short-sighted...

$5 piece of DLC x say, 500K (1/3 of console owners only) customers is still $2.5 million in revenue.  Could be higher, could be lower.  it's just as important to them as it is to us.  Getting it done, and doing it right will make EVERYONE a happy camper.

You're saying I'm short-sighted?   hehe more like a good majority of the people on this forum are.   They can't see beyond the tip of their own noses, they can't fathom that there might be more than what meets the eye..technical difficulties that can't be solved by snapping one's fingers.

Oh I"m sure EA's bean counters come into this at some point or other..but the bean counters aren't responsible for long nights fixing software glitches.

Neither can you, you try to belittle everyone who is fustrated by saying "Be in their shoes" Sorry but I have and I have more respect for my customers. Whether it is Bioware's fault or Microsoft's fault, they still did what they did and ruined many games for people....then again, you can't see that.

To be fair, your situation is far more personal. Its hard to be honest with a few hundred thousand people. This doesn't change the fact that this was a rather large blunder all the way though, and we don't want to see it happen again.

[Dahelia]

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

Short-sighted...

$5 piece of DLC x say, 500K (1/3 of console owners only) customers is still $2.5 million in revenue.  Could be higher, could be lower.  it's just as important to them as it is to us.  Getting it done, and doing it right will make EVERYONE a happy camper.

You're saying I'm short-sighted?   hehe more like a good majority of the people on this forum are.   They can't see beyond the tip of their own noses, they can't fathom that there might be more than what meets the eye..technical difficulties that can't be solved by snapping one's fingers.

Oh I"m sure EA's bean counters come into this at some point or other..but the bean counters aren't responsible for long nights fixing software glitches.

Neither can you, you try to belittle everyone who is fustrated by saying "Be in their shoes" Sorry but I have and I have more respect for my customers. Whether it is Bioware's fault or Microsoft's fault, they still did what they did and ruined many games for people....then again, you can't see that.

To be fair, your situation is far more personal. Its hard to be honest with a few hundred thousand people. This doesn't change the fact that this was a rather large blunder all the way though, and we don't want to see it happen again.

Right and no...nevermind.. Here is an Enchantment for you

[Dahelia]

Feraele wrote...


Do I?   check my posts..alot of times I am offering humour instead of playing the "Oh woe is me" card. Unlike others I see that constantly post.

You are causing problems right now...that is all there is to it. Try again with the so called humour....

[What a Twist]

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

Feraele wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Can't you step back from what YOU WANT for two seconds and look at it from their side of the fence?

You know..walk a mile in their shoes?    A 5 dollar dlc...and so much uproar, threats ..etc going on..you would think it was World War III.

Short-sighted...

$5 piece of DLC x say, 500K (1/3 of console owners only) customers is still $2.5 million in revenue.  Could be higher, could be lower.  it's just as important to them as it is to us.  Getting it done, and doing it right will make EVERYONE a happy camper.

You're saying I'm short-sighted?   hehe more like a good majority of the people on this forum are.   They can't see beyond the tip of their own noses, they can't fathom that there might be more than what meets the eye..technical difficulties that can't be solved by snapping one's fingers.

Oh I"m sure EA's bean counters come into this at some point or other..but the bean counters aren't responsible for long nights fixing software glitches.

Neither can you, you try to belittle everyone who is fustrated by saying "Be in their shoes" Sorry but I have and I have more respect for my customers. Whether it is Bioware's fault or Microsoft's fault, they still did what they did and ruined many games for people....then again, you can't see that.

To be fair, your situation is far more personal. Its hard to be honest with a few hundred thousand people. This doesn't change the fact that this was a rather large blunder all the way though, and we don't want to see it happen again.

Right and no...nevermind.. Here is an Enchantment for you

woot

[halfempty77]

this video is what all of the whinners remind me of...seriously! knock it off! the DCL was bugged they are fixing it. the release dates on games, books, movies andtv shows change all of the time...what makes this one so damned different!

[What a Twist]

halfempty77 wrote...

this video is what all of the whinners remind me of...seriously! knock it off! the DCL was bugged they are fixing it. the release dates on games, books, movies andtv shows change all of the time...what makes this one so damned different!

When was the last itme a T.V. show was pushed back?

[Dahelia]

halfempty77 wrote...

this video is what all of the whinners remind me of...seriously! knock it off! the DCL was bugged they are fixing it. the release dates on games, books, movies andtv shows change all of the time...what makes this one so damned different!

Not once, not twice, but three times...need I say more?

[ZeroR3D]

Feraele wrote...

You're saying I'm short-sighted?   hehe more like a good majority of the people on this forum are.   They can't see beyond the tip of their own noses, they can't fathom that there might be more than what meets the eye..technical difficulties that can't be solved by snapping one's fingers.

I'm still having a hard time believing that RtO is being bogged down by technical issues.  For one, people have already completed the PC version with no issues.  The 360 version also has been completed by those who downloaded it yesterday and some even without issue.  Combined with multiple announcements of launch preparedness...  Well 2+2 ya know...

So not being able to see more than meets the eye...

Oh I"m sure EA's bean counters come into this at some point or other..but the bean counters aren't responsible for long nights fixing software glitches.

No, but they ultimately provide the numbers that decide your fate as a late-night bug fixer.  Trust me when I say no one would be doing any bug-fixes if it weren't for the cost of not doing it and the potential profit in getting it done.

Modifié par ZeroR3D, 14 janvier 2010 - 11:30 .