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#52
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 06:57
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Destroy. The Reapers have been murdering innocents for eons now. They cannot be allowed to get off Scott free, and only with the galactic version of community service. Justice must be served.
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 07:38
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Killdren88 wrote...
Destroy. The Reapers have been murdering innocents for eons now. They cannot be allowed to get off Scott free, and only with the galactic version of community service. Justice must be served.
I prefer to leave vengeance to the Lord -- if he actually wants it.
Those of my Shepards who fell that they could trust themselves with the power picked Control. Unless they couldn't make peace at Rannoch, which changes the cost/benefit analysis a bit. If you've got Control you don't need to do Synthesis; either it'll happen on its own or it won't.
I do have a Refuse Shep, but he's designed as a tragic character whose hatred of the Reapers and all their works leads him to disaster. I don't figure that counts for purposes of this thread.
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#54
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 07:54
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I choose Synthesis because it creates the most interesting future for galactic civilization, for its themes of advancement and ascension, for its exploration of what we can become if we transcend limitations of the human condition.
I choose Control because it restores and stabilizes galactic civilization, creating the fundament for a balanced development guided by Control!Shepard's memetic engineering. Every other future is open after Control - it just takes longer to achieve.
I choose Destroy because it creates a renewed sense of exploration. Without the relays, there is a renewed awareness of everything which is as yet unknown about the galaxy. People are forced to get out of the shell created by the relay network.
I never choose Refuse because it means sacrificing my current civilization on the altar of a principle.
I choose Control because it restores and stabilizes galactic civilization, creating the fundament for a balanced development guided by Control!Shepard's memetic engineering. Every other future is open after Control - it just takes longer to achieve.
I choose Destroy because it creates a renewed sense of exploration. Without the relays, there is a renewed awareness of everything which is as yet unknown about the galaxy. People are forced to get out of the shell created by the relay network.
I never choose Refuse because it means sacrificing my current civilization on the altar of a principle.
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#55
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 07:58
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Destroy, merely because I perceive it as the lesser of four evils. It allows the galaxy to rebuild and progress on its own terms, rather than the machinations of others.
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#56
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 08:04
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I choose destroy because it has almost everything I wanted from the ending. Onlything bad about it is EDI's death.
1. It kills the Reapers.
2. Shepard lives.
3. Kills the Geth.
I am happy.
1. It kills the Reapers.
2. Shepard lives.
3. Kills the Geth.
I am happy.
#57
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 08:13
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Epsilon42 wrote...
Destroy. It's what I came to do, and I did it.
yes
#58
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 08:17
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Destroy, for a lot of reasons. In the moment, when I first chose it, it was due to my own Anderson-like stubbornness; I needed to see the Reaper's fall dead, and had no room for forgiveness or amends in my heart (despite my rather Paragon-ish tendencies). As well, in the first play through, the Geth had not survived Rannoch and the loss of EDI seemed to be something even she herself would agree with. And so I gunned the control panel without a second thought.
My second play through, with the knowledge and added context of what each choice entailed, with the Geth still alive, and with the EC, I still chose Destroy. Why? Because the idea of actually Controlling such a force seems to be a responsibility that not even the might Shepard could withstand; in fact, it feels to me like the first step towards another Catalyst being created. And Synthesis feels utterly wrong and in violation of the very beings I fought for, on a grossly genetic level (not to mention being so cosmic a decision, I did not feel worthy even considering it). Which of course, left my optimistic and determinedly Paragon Shepard with the prospect of killing EDI and essentially enacting genocide on the Geth in order to extinguish this horrific race of machines. Faced with this, the words of my best friend (Garrus Vakarian) rung through my head;
"Suppose that's what it's going to take, Shepard, the ruthless calculus of war. Ten billion people over here die so twenty billion over there live. Are we up for that? Are you?"
And, after what seemed like hours of hesitation and self doubt, I was up for it. And I pulled the trigger.
My second play through, with the knowledge and added context of what each choice entailed, with the Geth still alive, and with the EC, I still chose Destroy. Why? Because the idea of actually Controlling such a force seems to be a responsibility that not even the might Shepard could withstand; in fact, it feels to me like the first step towards another Catalyst being created. And Synthesis feels utterly wrong and in violation of the very beings I fought for, on a grossly genetic level (not to mention being so cosmic a decision, I did not feel worthy even considering it). Which of course, left my optimistic and determinedly Paragon Shepard with the prospect of killing EDI and essentially enacting genocide on the Geth in order to extinguish this horrific race of machines. Faced with this, the words of my best friend (Garrus Vakarian) rung through my head;
"Suppose that's what it's going to take, Shepard, the ruthless calculus of war. Ten billion people over here die so twenty billion over there live. Are we up for that? Are you?"
And, after what seemed like hours of hesitation and self doubt, I was up for it. And I pulled the trigger.
#59
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 09:10
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Destroy.
The Reapers will never destroy another civilisation.
The Reapers will never destroy another civilisation.
#60
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 09:22
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Pre-EC: I chose destroy
Post-EC: I still chose destroy
Why? It's pretty much been the goal of the series since Mass Effect. My goal wasn't to just give into (flawed) Reaper logic, nor was it to become a God, and my Shep sure as hell wasn't going to quit. Destroy was the only thing I set out to do through the whole series, and I reached my goal. Mission Accomplished.
Sure, it sucks to lose EDI and the Geth, but sacrifices need to be made, and with the EC, it's stated that "Everything that was destroyed can be rebuilt." So I lose no sleep over my choice.
Post-EC: I still chose destroy
Why? It's pretty much been the goal of the series since Mass Effect. My goal wasn't to just give into (flawed) Reaper logic, nor was it to become a God, and my Shep sure as hell wasn't going to quit. Destroy was the only thing I set out to do through the whole series, and I reached my goal. Mission Accomplished.
Sure, it sucks to lose EDI and the Geth, but sacrifices need to be made, and with the EC, it's stated that "Everything that was destroyed can be rebuilt." So I lose no sleep over my choice.
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 09:46
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Exile Isan wrote...
Post- EC? Control. But only the paragade version.
This. IMO what she became was beautiful.
#62
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 09:47
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Destroy, Pre and Post-EC. It is what I set out to do in the first place.
#63
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 10:07
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Synthesis. I don't believe in the Catalyst's "synthetics will always rebell" dogma, and I hate going along with it. And as it is quite a change, I'm not happy with making this decision for everyone. I still think it's the best solution and a unique opportunity.
I set out to save as many people as I can. Synthesis not only spares my synthetic allies, I gives many of the Reapers' past victims a chance to live on. Not only Husks seem to get self-awareness again, but the people made into Reapers might be free. If living as a sentient husk or the free existence as a species united in a reaper is desirable is a good question, but only the affected have a right to answer it. I want to give them that chance. Without past cycles we couldn't have won, so they deserve consideration.
The effects on the people who get synthesized are ok. I see no real downside, and while we would be fine without feeling synthetics and perfectly tech-compatible organics, it's a good thing.
That said, I think the other endings have their perks too (well, except refusal. I'd hate to sacrifice the synthetics, but if you can't pick control or synthesis with a good conscience, you have to pick destroy. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to win a battle, a Shepard who can't do that is a misfortune for the galaxy).
I set out to save as many people as I can. Synthesis not only spares my synthetic allies, I gives many of the Reapers' past victims a chance to live on. Not only Husks seem to get self-awareness again, but the people made into Reapers might be free. If living as a sentient husk or the free existence as a species united in a reaper is desirable is a good question, but only the affected have a right to answer it. I want to give them that chance. Without past cycles we couldn't have won, so they deserve consideration.
The effects on the people who get synthesized are ok. I see no real downside, and while we would be fine without feeling synthetics and perfectly tech-compatible organics, it's a good thing.
That said, I think the other endings have their perks too (well, except refusal. I'd hate to sacrifice the synthetics, but if you can't pick control or synthesis with a good conscience, you have to pick destroy. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to win a battle, a Shepard who can't do that is a misfortune for the galaxy).
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#64
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 10:51
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Destroy, always.
Refusal is out of the question. Suicide out of principle is the stupidest thing you can do.
Control is not an option. A disembodied Shep is just a new catalyst, and we get no guarantee which conclusions he will draw in another crisis without his humanity to guide him. He only has his memories, no longer the consciousness of an organic. I fought an indoctrinated Illusive man who wanted to do exactly that (though he was never able to, if we are to believe the catalyst). The Reapers still have their own genocidal and arrogant personalities, after all. They were controlled by the catalyst, but they were each independent AI's. They will always be a threat, even with Catalyst Shepard.
Synthesis is definite a no-go. The catalyst's reasoning - or at least the Leviathan's reasoning - that synthetics will always end up killing their creators is inherently flawed and based on nothing but shortsightedness and the Leviathan's complacency. Organics have been wiping each other out on far more occasions than synthetics ever have. It's not a problem, it's the way of things.
Catalyst is created to solve a problem that wasn't there until he became it, and his solution doesn't make any sense even when that problem DID exist. He sees Synthesis as the ideal solution. I will not do whatever the catalyst prefers because it's an insane AI and needs to be destroyed. In synthesis, he will NOT cease to exist - will even be integrated with the rest of us. Yes, he too will remain among us, just as mad as he was before. Doing what the catalyst wants is exactly what we should not be doing... it's madness and destroying everything that organic life is.
Destroy is the only means to correct the stupid mistake these arrogant and oblivious Leviathan's have made. They made a flawed AI to solve a problem, but since that problem didn't exist, it became the problem itself. Stupidest thing ever which they even admit to themselves; creating an AI to stop the dangers of AI's. Trillions of organics have died in terror as the catalyst used their own mutilated fallen against them, brutally processing, murdering and using them for harrowing purposes only to repeat it over and over and over...
I do not negiotate with a mad space-naz1 AI (seriously, the word n-azi is censored?! Why don't you censor communist and imperialism as well BW... sheesh). I will not take his place (control) nor will I allow him and his self-aware weapons of mass destruction to exist (synthesis). I will eradicate his entire existence... and if I had any say in it, the Leviathans would be next.
Refusal is out of the question. Suicide out of principle is the stupidest thing you can do.
Control is not an option. A disembodied Shep is just a new catalyst, and we get no guarantee which conclusions he will draw in another crisis without his humanity to guide him. He only has his memories, no longer the consciousness of an organic. I fought an indoctrinated Illusive man who wanted to do exactly that (though he was never able to, if we are to believe the catalyst). The Reapers still have their own genocidal and arrogant personalities, after all. They were controlled by the catalyst, but they were each independent AI's. They will always be a threat, even with Catalyst Shepard.
Synthesis is definite a no-go. The catalyst's reasoning - or at least the Leviathan's reasoning - that synthetics will always end up killing their creators is inherently flawed and based on nothing but shortsightedness and the Leviathan's complacency. Organics have been wiping each other out on far more occasions than synthetics ever have. It's not a problem, it's the way of things.
Catalyst is created to solve a problem that wasn't there until he became it, and his solution doesn't make any sense even when that problem DID exist. He sees Synthesis as the ideal solution. I will not do whatever the catalyst prefers because it's an insane AI and needs to be destroyed. In synthesis, he will NOT cease to exist - will even be integrated with the rest of us. Yes, he too will remain among us, just as mad as he was before. Doing what the catalyst wants is exactly what we should not be doing... it's madness and destroying everything that organic life is.
Destroy is the only means to correct the stupid mistake these arrogant and oblivious Leviathan's have made. They made a flawed AI to solve a problem, but since that problem didn't exist, it became the problem itself. Stupidest thing ever which they even admit to themselves; creating an AI to stop the dangers of AI's. Trillions of organics have died in terror as the catalyst used their own mutilated fallen against them, brutally processing, murdering and using them for harrowing purposes only to repeat it over and over and over...
I do not negiotate with a mad space-naz1 AI (seriously, the word n-azi is censored?! Why don't you censor communist and imperialism as well BW... sheesh). I will not take his place (control) nor will I allow him and his self-aware weapons of mass destruction to exist (synthesis). I will eradicate his entire existence... and if I had any say in it, the Leviathans would be next.
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#65
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 10:56
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Destroy. If you need to ask for a justification you've not been paying attention.
#66
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 11:17
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Basically, my decision really depends on the Shepard I'm playing at the time.
My Paragade!Sheploo opted for destroy, (High EMS) granted he was hoping it would take him out too so he wouldn't have to live with the repercussions, but he was willing to accept them and stand trial afterwards for warcrimes.
My Paragade!Sheploo opted for destroy, (High EMS) granted he was hoping it would take him out too so he wouldn't have to live with the repercussions, but he was willing to accept them and stand trial afterwards for warcrimes.
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#67
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 11:38
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MEHEM, because it erases the starchild, thereby, saving the reapers as great villains. It just makes more sense.
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 12:08
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AcidwireX wrote...
MEHEM.
Because Bioware doesn't respect their own plot, so why should I?
Well said Acidwire.. I choose MEHEM: Tali Version.. Its pretty sad when a single fan wasable to do a better job on the ending than your entire team could Bioware.. I'll say it again, its not too late to save the franchise and fix the endings.. I respect those who like it the way it is, but half your fanbase wanted something else.. Put out one last happy ending DLC, tell everyone what it is, and give them the CHOICE to download or not.. Everyone wins..
Hold the Line.. For life..
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 12:26
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Synthesis, because if you ignore all the nonsense it's probably the happiest ending for me. It was the only ending that wasn't really changed by the EC (except, maybe more nonsense?), so it doesn't really matter whether it's EC or not.
Oh, and liberal amounts of headcannon! Change the Reaper motivations to wanting to protect organics from themselves(which includes: their tendency to make synthetics that destroy them, warfare, nuclear winters, runaway greenhouse effects etc.), but really sucking at it because they don't understand that putting everyone's DNA in a blender is not really preserving civilizations and then...presto! The ending almost makes sense! Sort of. Eh. I find it better anyway.
Oh, and liberal amounts of headcannon! Change the Reaper motivations to wanting to protect organics from themselves(which includes: their tendency to make synthetics that destroy them, warfare, nuclear winters, runaway greenhouse effects etc.), but really sucking at it because they don't understand that putting everyone's DNA in a blender is not really preserving civilizations and then...presto! The ending almost makes sense! Sort of. Eh. I find it better anyway.
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:43
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MEHEM is doing to Mass Effect what Kirk did to the Kobyashi Maru scenario.Mordanticus wrote...
AcidwireX wrote...
MEHEM.
Because Bioware doesn't respect their own plot, so why should I?
Well said Acidwire.. I choose MEHEM: Tali Version.. Its pretty sad when a single fan wasable to do a better job on the ending than your entire team could Bioware.. I'll say it again, its not too late to save the franchise and fix the endings.. I respect those who like it the way it is, but half your fanbase wanted something else.. Put out one last happy ending DLC, tell everyone what it is, and give them the CHOICE to download or not.. Everyone wins..
Hold the Line.. For life..
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:48
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AcidwireX wrote...
MEHEM.
Because Bioware doesn't respect their own plot, so why should I?
On console, I prefer to pull the plug on the game after "The best seats in the house." Because no ending is better than whatever the hell happens after Glowjob shows up.
No-Pre EC for me. I waited for the EC to finish the game, to give BioWare all the chance they needed to finish the game right, because the rumors I heard about the blown ending. Silly me. Waiting didn't matter at all. The ending(s) sucked with EC and came with excuses as to why they sucked.
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Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:49
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Reorte wrote...
MEHEM is doing to Mass Effect what Kirk did to the Kobyashi Maru scenario.Mordanticus wrote...
AcidwireX wrote...
MEHEM.
Because Bioware doesn't respect their own plot, so why should I?
Well said Acidwire.. I choose MEHEM: Tali Version.. Its pretty sad when a single fan wasable to do a better job on the ending than your entire team could Bioware.. I'll say it again, its not too late to save the franchise and fix the endings.. I respect those who like it the way it is, but half your fanbase wanted something else.. Put out one last happy ending DLC, tell everyone what it is, and give them the CHOICE to download or not.. Everyone wins..
Hold the Line.. For life..
I do not get that refrence in the slightest are you saying mehem is good or bad
#73
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:53
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He's saying, probably, that MEHEM is good. The comparison is to show that people can win even if BioWare wants them to lose....
#74
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:56
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Kel Riever wrote...
no ending is better than whatever the hell happens after Glowjob shows up.
always amusing to see new references to that little b@$t@rd. Despite picking up the game on day one, it was August before I actually got around to playing it, hence I had the EC installed. Uninstalled the EC, and played the original endings later on as well. Conclusion - one is a marginally worse piece of **** than the other.
#75
Posté 23 mars 2013 - 01:57
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If I play to the ending refuse first followed by paragade Control.
Why?
Shepards Hubris. Only a really arrogant (and rightly so I mean look at all the impossible she has done up to this point in her life) shep would choose control after telling the illusive man we are not ready for that kind of power, or Only a Shepard who after her proven track record of pulling off the impossible when all disparate factions unite toward a common cause (and rightly so see Sovereign, suicide mission, Tuchanka, Geth Peace) would believe a refusal could still result in a win for her side.
Why?
Shepards Hubris. Only a really arrogant (and rightly so I mean look at all the impossible she has done up to this point in her life) shep would choose control after telling the illusive man we are not ready for that kind of power, or Only a Shepard who after her proven track record of pulling off the impossible when all disparate factions unite toward a common cause (and rightly so see Sovereign, suicide mission, Tuchanka, Geth Peace) would believe a refusal could still result in a win for her side.
