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[CaIIisto]

Liamv2 wrote...

I do not get that refrence in the slightest are you saying mehem is good or bad

The Kobayashi Maru is an 'unwinnable' scenario. Kirk cheats to add a 'win' option. Pretty much what the MEHEM does for the ME endings.

[wright1978]

High EMS Destroy pre and post EC. Freedom for the galaxy to develop as it wishes and the biggest mistake/greatest threat to the galaxy(the reapers) are dead and gone. Shep doesn't commit suicide and icing on cake is that he survives.

Though i'm currently doing a Mehem game to get rid of the most awful plot device character ever devised, otherwise known as the bratalyst. Now if someone would just remove those idiotic dreams from the game.

[Cribbian]

MEHEM, because Shepard deserves it.

[Wifflebottom]

Pre EC: Synthesis because Shepard didn't really get the explanation but took it as evolving all life (organic and synthetic) to the pinnacle of the evolutionary chain.

Post EC: Control, because GodShep doesn't fancy killing a friend and entire race to stop the Reapers and GodShep has realized the Syntheisis is an abomination that teaches that if people are different you should just make them the same or else they'll kill each other: GodShep does not believe in this. GodShep does however enjoy the idea of being the most powerful being in the galaxy charged with protecting all life from any threats.

[K2LU533]

Destroy, before EC and after. The reapers have to be destroyed, anyone who agreed that a monstrosity such as the collector base could not be allowed to survive can see the rationale for destroying the reapers. They are not the civilisations they harvested; they all died thousands of years ago.

EDI and the Geth were sacrificed so that so many more can live. This isn't just for this cycle, but so that millions of years worth of civilisations can live free from the terror of the Reapers. We have proved that organics and synthetics can co-exist and thus refute the words of the catalyst. There is no need for the cycle, or for the reapers to be allowed to exist any longer.

[IllusiveManJr]

Synthesis both pre and post EC. I like the green effects.

[Johnners91]

Destroy. I can't pick synthesis, Shepard isn't some great philosopher of our time, and even if he was, what would give you the right to change everyone and everything in such a personal way. It goes beyond what Shepard was trained for. Control isn't as bad as that, but it doesn't seem necessary, and it's like doing to the Reapers what they tried to do to us.

With destroy things can find their own balance again. I like to think that the lessons learned with the Geth/Quarians etc., will provide an example to future generations so that the Galaxy can move on from the whole Organic/Synthetic problem and hell....if synthetics win out in the long run, so be it. That'll probably happen in the real world anyway.

[o Ventus]

Destroy. F**k Reapers, get money.

Ok, in all seriousness, it strikes me as the lesser of the 3 (4!) evils.

In Control, how can I, as Shepard, be sure that the new AI entity created in the Catalyst's stead won't rationalize the cycle again? It's simply too big a risk for me to take.

Synthesis... Oh boy. I, as Shepard, don't understand a f**king thing the Catalyst is telling me. What the hell is "essence" and " organic energy"? How does me jumping into a green beam of energy make every living organism in the galaxy half synthetic? His failure to answer my questions in an adequate fashion (as well as Shepard's inability to ask my questions) put Synthesis out of the question. Also, the Reapers are still around. If they have free will and a personality now, they run he risk of beckoning hostile again. And what about husks? Marauders? Any remaining Collectors? Do they silently contemplate their living hell and kill themselves?

[Bob Garbage]

I truly believe the only ending that can actually work is control. Not because I think it's the best option, I just think it was the only one done well enough that I don't mind picking it. I don't like killing EDI and the Geth, and I do not wish organics to become synthetic. My paragon Sheps have a hard time making it to the end of the game cause I really don't know what to choose for them. Post-EC, I guess.

But in my heart, I don't like any of the options and have a hard time arguing in favour of any of them.

[Johnners91]

o Ventus wrote...

Destroy. F**k Reapers, get money.

Ok, in all seriousness, it strikes me as the lesser of the 3 (4!) evils.

In Control, how can I, as Shepard, be sure that the new AI entity created in the Catalyst's stead won't rationalize the cycle again? It's simply too big a risk for me to take.

Synthesis... Oh boy. I, as Shepard, don't understand a f**king thing the Catalyst is telling me. What the hell is "essence" and " organic energy"? How does me jumping into a green beam of energy make every living organism in the galaxy half synthetic? His failure to answer my questions in an adequate fashion (as well as Shepard's inability to ask my questions) put Synthesis out of the question. Also, the Reapers are still around. If they have free will and a personality now, they run he risk of beckoning hostile again. And what about husks? Marauders? Any remaining Collectors? Do they silently contemplate their living hell and kill themselves?

I agree with you that Control is poorly explained (compared to the other two anyway which are straightforword enough). I have no idea what 'organic energy' is supposed to be either. But there's no reason to be suspicious that its some sort of trick, otherwise the catalyst wouldn't bother with you at all would it? And I have a feeling that if Shepard were in control of all those Reaper troops, he'd just put them out of their misery (I imagine their lifespans aren't very long, they are just their to pacify the inital resistance, and they probably don't have much in the way of consciousness, it'd make sense if they just dropped dead if the Reapers released control of them). So I wouldn't let that stop you if you wanted to make that decision.

Modifié par Johnners91, 23 mars 2013 - 04:45 .

[cerberus1701]

Control sets up new cycles long-term and more needless deaths short-term.

Synthesis is a war crime on a scale of which no human language can fully articulate.

Refuse? Perhaps it's the next cycle. Perhaps it's 50 down the road before Liara's stuff gets found and used. You may as well have joined Saren on Virmire.


My Destroy?

Geth live, EDI lives because the Catalyst was a lying, crazed AI who didn't want me to kill him.

Destroy----- have party on the Citadel. All is well.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 23 mars 2013 - 04:49 .

[LilyasAvalon]

MEHEM.

Because after 3 games and 6 years, all I want to do is blow the reapers the **** up, and retire somewhere nice, warm and sunny with Garrus.

[Kesak12]

AcidwireX wrote...

MEHEM.

Because Bioware doesn't respect their own plot, so why should I?

[Auld Wulf]

Either you trust the Catalyst or you don't.

If you don't trust the Catalyst, there's no reason to believe that you're not in a coma already and that the Catalyst isn't just dicking with you by providing you with an ideal future inside your own head, whilst the harvest continues on in reality. So it's all about whether you trust the Catalyst.

If you trust the Catalyst, then Control and Synthesis are both good options.

The fact of the matter is that the Reapers (and the civilisations contained within them) are slaves. They are slaves to a control program tied into an impossible doctrine (preserve all life). As such, I've always felt more pity for the Reapers than anything else. They were forced into this. Min control is a kind of rape, but of the mind rather than the body. The Reapers were mind controlled and forced to do what they did. They had no choice in the matter.

In the Synthesis ending, you see two kilometre tall constructs looking around in an absolutely bewildered way. For the very first time the Reapers have free will. It's a beautiful thing to see, and it's an image that stuck with me. After seeing that, I could never pick anything other than Synthesis. I acknowledge Control as a mostly valid choice, but my choice has to be Synthesis. Then there are the scenes with the geth and the quarians, and with EDI and Joker.

If I were to pick Destroy, I'd do so knowing that the Reapers were slaves. The Catalyst told me that it targets all synthetics, even those who're partially so. I've recently replayed the ending again, so I know this to be true. This means that the geth, EDI, the Alliance Infiltration Units, those with synthetic upgrades, and possibly even the quarians with geth in their suits (depending on how it happens) all die. But that's not all. That's not even all.

The Reapers, who were mind-raped into doing what they did. They die. The only sin of the Reapers is that they were being controlled. Having gone through the game again, having gone through Leviathan and the ending, I understand now that the Reapers are nothing more than slaves to the control program. The Catalyst says it himself, that he controls them. They had no choice in anything they did, they had no free will. Their only sin was being mind raped and having to obey that silly doctrine.

In Synthesis, for the first time we see a Reaper looking bewildered, confused. It has free will. It can think as an individual entity for the first time. And the Reapers choose to leave galactic civilisation in peace. They choose to help rebuild.

Knowing that... I just find Destroy unconscionable. The Reapers, when freed, prove their strength of character. I can't kill them.

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

[remydat]

Synthesis or control because nobody else has to die and I am suppose to be a f**king hero that sacrifices himself for eithers.

Modifié par remydat, 23 mars 2013 - 05:14 .

[cerberus1701]

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

[Hadeedak]

All of them.

Depends on the Shepard.

Ok, here we go. My pragmatic renegon who chose every funny option I could find wound up shooting the tube. She's a realist, and dead Reapers at a terrible sacrifice is the only way she can be 100% sure nothing will go wrong. Also, she understands guns. Guns kill things. Using the Crucible as a big gun aimed at the Reapers is familar to her. For the cherry on top, it's the only one where it sounds like she might make it. And she does have a handsome Major waiting for her to come find him.

Olivia, my incredibly tragic pure-as-driven-snow paragon, went with synthesis. She's an optimist. She believes deep down inside, given the freedom, everyone and everything would crave coexistence. She's also very, very tired by the end of the game, mentally. The chance to lay down and rest, finally making things a little brighter, was very fitting.

Issac, my pretty boy nuetral Shepard, believed that any price was too high, that maybe they could pull off one more hail mary and win, especially with Leviathans on his side. He refused. Great speech, that.

Esperanza Shepard, my totally-not-accidentally-a-cliched-noir-detective-in-space paragade, chose control. She wasn't willing to lay her allies on the line, but she was more than willing to lay down her life and her humanity to protect her galaxy. And she was enough of a cynic not to gamble on an unknown.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 23 mars 2013 - 05:14 .

[Auld Wulf]

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

My argument: The Catalyst mind-controlled the Reapers, the Reapers can't be blamed for that.
Your argument: Doing the future equivalent of giving someone an iPhone is tantamount to rape.

Okay. Sure. Whatever, guy.

This is precisely why I find neo-luddites abhorrent and tiring. They fail to realise that Synthesis is already happening in day to day life. More and more each and every passing day.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 23 mars 2013 - 05:16 .

[cerberus1701]

Auld Wulf wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

My argument: The Catalyst mind-controlled the Reapers, the Reapers can't be blamed for that.
Your argument: Doing the future equivalent of giving someone an iPhone is tantamount to rape.

Okay. Sure. Whatever, guy.

iPhones give me "synthetic DNA?"

How much is that app?

And, that's nice, free will for the Reapers, but no one else gets to decide if the want to be "improved" by Synthesis.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 23 mars 2013 - 05:17 .

[remydat]

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

What part of I choose the option that let's everyone live do you not understand?  If I could save the galaxy without killing more people or rewriting their DNA, I would.  I can't so between two morally grey options I choose the one that doesn't result in me wiping out a sentient race.  You really think it is more moral to prejudiciously exterminate one group rather than make a decision that treats everyone the same?

Refuse - I will be a b*tch and let the Reapers continue the harvest because I don't like the other options and so the galaxy must die.

Destroy - Despite the whole point of the game being about sacrifice and Shepard being a hero, I will make the decision to wipe out a sentient race and EDI because my love of killing Reapers and my desire to breathe amidst rubble overrules the supposed heroic journey I have been on from the start.

[Kesak12]

Destroy is my other one if I cant choose MEHEM. "He's wrong. Dead Reapers are how we win this thing." - Admiral Hackett. Also so I can return to Tali.

[nos_astra]

Refuse.

I like the idea that everyhing fails. ME truly jumped the shark in ME2 and refuse is a fitting end for a galaxy who deserves this ten times over.

With enough headcanon I could get behind the idea of Control, I guess. I do believe it's asking for trouble. I like the ambiguity of it.

Synthesis is a bit ... I don't know, too much of a fairytale ending. Uplifting the galaxy seems like a bad idea and there are better ways to screw everyone over that don't require me to invent a scientific background for it.

I understand why people choose control, I've come to find it a bit boring but it's the best ending of you want to headcanon post-ending stuff.

Modifié par klarabella, 23 mars 2013 - 05:21 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Your argument: Doing the future equivalent of giving someone an iPhone is tantamount to rape.

Worst explanation of synthesis ever.

Auld Wulf wrote...
This is precisely why I find neo-luddites abhorrent and tiring. They fail to realise that Synthesis is already happening in day to day life. More and more each and every passing day.

lol, you have made some funny claims, but this is the best yet.

[remydat]

klarabella wrote...

Refuse.

I like the idea that everyhing fails. ME truly jumped the shark in ME2 and refuse is a fitting end for a galaxy who deserves this ten times over.

With enough headcanon I can get behind the idea of Control, I guess.

Synthesis is a bit ... I don't know, too much of a fairytale ending. Uplifting the galaxy seems like a bad idea and there are better ways to screw everyone over.

I understand why people choose control, I've come to find it a bit boring but it's the best ending of you want to headcanon post-ending stuff.

There is nothing fairy tale about synthetis.  Having synthetic DNA doesn't solve all of the Galaxy's problems.  If it did Organics would be living peacefully.  They are not.  You think synthetic DNA means a Krogen hybrid will be all lovey dovey with a Salarian hybrid?  Humans kill humans and we are the same race. 

[cerberus1701]

Auld Wulf wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

My argument: The Catalyst mind-controlled the Reapers, the Reapers can't be blamed for that.
Your argument: Doing the future equivalent of giving someone an iPhone is tantamount to rape.

Okay. Sure. Whatever, guy.

This is precisely why I find neo-luddites abhorrent and tiring. They fail to realise that Synthesis is already happening in day to day life. More and more each and every passing day.

But people can CHOOSE it. Or NOT

Who are YOU to choose for ME.

Who is Shepard to choose for 60 trillion others to so fundamentally alter them?

Would you run to the hospital to get a chip implanted in your brain because your President told you to?

What if he told you, "Get the chip or die?"

You are such a troll.