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[PinkToolTheater]

Both pre and post EC I chose destroy:
Geth and EDI had id coming when they tried to incorporate reaper upgrades, so its not my problem. Everything else is great, I am alive and so is my LI.

[cerberus1701]

remydat wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

What part of I choose the option that let's everyone live do you not understand?  If I could save the galaxy without killing more people or rewriting their DNA, I would.  I can't so between two morally grey options I choose the one that doesn't result in me wiping out a sentient race.  You really think it is more moral to prejudiciously exterminate one group rather than make a decision that treats everyone the same?

Refuse - I will be a b*tch and let the Reapers continue the harvest because I don't like the other options and so the galaxy must die.

Destroy - Despite the whole point of the game being about sacrifice and Shepard being a hero, I will make the decision to wipe out a sentient race and EDI because my love of killing Reapers and my desire to breathe amidst rubble overrules the supposed heroic journey I have been on from the start.

What part of, "What makes you think you have any right to choose to alter the galaxy without their knowledge and consent?, don't you understand?

Yes,. I do think that. because it is. This race. All the races, are prepared to die facing the Reapers. Even the Geth announce that there will be no more reasoning with the Old Machines.  EDI says she's ready to die to beat them.

They CHOOSE die to the last for the chance to CHOOSE their own path.

And, lastly, I'm sick of Synthesis/Controllers throwing out the breath scene. The fact that Shep lives in HEMSD is fine, but if I literally saw his body fly apart in chunks, I'd still pick Destroy.  

[Kesak12]

cerberus1701 wrote...

remydat wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

But you can rape everyone else, no problem, with Synthesis?

You might be able to. Oh, I'm sure you can.

I can't.

What part of I choose the option that let's everyone live do you not understand?  If I could save the galaxy without killing more people or rewriting their DNA, I would.  I can't so between two morally grey options I choose the one that doesn't result in me wiping out a sentient race.  You really think it is more moral to prejudiciously exterminate one group rather than make a decision that treats everyone the same?

Refuse - I will be a b*tch and let the Reapers continue the harvest because I don't like the other options and so the galaxy must die.

Destroy - Despite the whole point of the game being about sacrifice and Shepard being a hero, I will make the decision to wipe out a sentient race and EDI because my love of killing Reapers and my desire to breathe amidst rubble overrules the supposed heroic journey I have been on from the start.

What part of, "What makes you think you have any right to choose to alter the galaxy without their knowledge and consent?, don't you understand?

Yes,. I do think that. because it is. This race. All the races, are prepared to die facing the Reapers. Even the Geth announce that there will be no more reasoning with the Old Machines.  EDI says she's ready to die to beat them.

They CHOOSE die to the last for the chance to CHOOSE their own path.

And, lastly, I'm sick of Synthesis/Controllers throwing out the breath scene. The fact that Shep lives in HEMSD is fine, but if I literally saw his body fly apart in chunks, I'd still pick Destroy.  

Excatly. Could not of said it better.

[ScriptBabe]

I would prefer MEHEM since I'm a big proponent of the happy ending, but since it's not actually an option I ended up going with destroy. The other colored choices completely violate the theme of the game, and were the recommended course by two of your antagonists -- Saren and TIM. I always felt like refuse was added more to punish players for not being happy with the ending then for any valid story or structural reason. And you can't put Anderson, your mentor and father-figure, at that console and not expect most players to pick destroy. Especially since for 2 and 3/4 of the games the only goal has been to destroy the Reapers. And yes, allowing them to escape punishment for millions of years of killing just didn't sit well with me.

[RocShemp]

Pre-EC, I chose Synthesis. It seemed like a reasonable middle ground. Post-EC, I chose refusal. Yes, it was treated as a joke ending but it makes sense to me that Shepard would just fight on and I like that eventually (who knows how many cycles later) the Reapers were defeated thanks to events set in motion during Shepard's cycle.

[cerberus1701]

ScriptBabe wrote...

I would prefer MEHEM since I'm a big proponent of the happy ending, but since it's not actually an option I ended up going with destroy. The other colored choices completely violate the theme of the game, and were the recommended course by two of your antagonists -- Saren and TIM. .

Exactly.

They exist in the endgame for the sake of "Hey, look 'choice,' like we promised." But they've never been portrayed as desirable outcomes.

[4stringwizard]

cerberus1701 wrote...

ScriptBabe wrote...

I would prefer MEHEM since I'm a big proponent of the happy ending, but since it's not actually an option I ended up going with destroy. The other colored choices completely violate the theme of the game, and were the recommended course by two of your antagonists -- Saren and TIM. .

Exactly.

They exist in the endgame for the sake of "Hey, look 'choice,' like we promised." But they've never been portrayed as desirable outcomes.

Exactly.  I still can't believe they even exist as choices.  Everyone who desired "control" or "synthesis" ended up being indoctrinated.  The entire trilogy pushed them as the wrong choices until the very end.  And then, Bioware goes "J/K, lol!" and gives them to us anyway.  There was not even a hint of them possibly having negative repercussions, just "here ya go, enjoy your different-colored explosions!" 

[Argolas]

Destroy, it destroys the Reapers. There are oceans of blood on their metal tentacles, this had to end. If we allow them to continue, we will always depend on their mercy.

[BeastSaver]

I typically go with Destroy. The times I've picked anything else*, I re-load and pick Destroy again.

*The only time Refuse makes sense to me is with my impuslive, rush-to-the-end Shepard who has very low EMS. Refuse and a fight to the death is preferable to burning the entire galaxy (as well as all sapient and non-sapient life) to the ground.

[remydat]

cerberus1701 wrote...


What part of, "What makes you think you have any right to choose to alter the galaxy without their knowledge and consent?, don't you understand?

Yes,. I do think that. because it is. This race. All the races, are prepared to die facing the Reapers. Even the Geth announce that there will be no more reasoning with the Old Machines.  EDI says she's ready to die to beat them.

They CHOOSE die to the last for the chance to CHOOSE their own path.

And, lastly, I'm sick of Synthesis/Controllers throwing out the breath scene. The fact that Shep lives in HEMSD is fine, but if I literally saw his body fly apart in chunks, I'd still pick Destroy.  

The part where doing so results in me having to exterminate a sentient species and continue the organic prejudice that helped create the Reapers.

Yes they choose to die for a chance to choose their own path and then you Sheppard decide for them to exterminate them and remove their choice.  Edi and the Geth don't know that they have the option of Synthesis or Control.  Unless you called them on vid com and asked them then you are using this disingenuous argument to kill them.  I see no evidence Edi or the Geth would choose to die if they knew Synthesis or Control were options.   They choose to fight the Reapers and risk death in a show of unity among all races.  You then want to completely obliterate that act of good faith by then choosing to chill them when you have the option not to.  That is ridiculous and a betrayal.

And I will end with this.  If I could choose Destroy without killing them I would.  I can't because the game makes it a condition that Synthetics must die.  So I choose the options that imposes my will on EVERYONE EQUALLY AND WHERE EVERYONE LIVES.  That is either synthesis or control.  So please, the only way you can justify OPTIONALLY deciding to wipe out a Sentitent species is by prejudice.  You don't get to OPTIONALLY decide to kill a sentient race when you have 2 choices not to and claim to be a hero.

[DirtySHISN0]

Pre-EC any ending without leviathan, but including the other DLCs.

A lot more room for personal interpretation and projection.

Having said that, Synthesis is what i usually choose because A) all the characters i like survive and i like the idea behind cybernetics, their future and moral implications surrounding them.

You want my head canon? My shepard dies regardless of the choice and as such, we have no knowledge of the consequences.


Edit; no MEHEM - xbox user. I won't delude myself by looking at what could have been either. Ignorant towards the workings, consequences and content in that mod. 

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 23 mars 2013 - 06:27 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Destroy. I do not believe that Shepard would believe Godchild about synthetics inevitably wiping out all life with no evidence considering that Shepard's experiences seem to contradict it, thus ruling out Synthesis (a fix for the tech singularity which may or may not stop the Reapers from killing us right now since they might just decide to keep killing us for some other reason).
I also don't believe that Shepard would believe Godchild about being able to control the Reapers moments after shooting TIM who had been tricked into believing just that.

EC changed nothing; however Leviathan would probably skew the choice towards synthesis if I was... sheep enough pay Bioware for an ending fix (since it provides much needed foreshadowing for the tech singularity)

[nos_astra]

remydat wrote...
There is nothing fairy tale about synthetis.  Having synthetic DNA doesn't solve all of the Galaxy's problems.  If it did Organics would be living peacefully.  They are not.  You think synthetic DNA means a Krogen hybrid will be all lovey dovey with a Salarian hybrid?  Humans kill humans and we are the same race. 

Actually, yes. I got the impression from the Synthesis epilogue.

Modifié par klarabella, 23 mars 2013 - 06:49 .

[remydat]

klarabella wrote...

remydat wrote...
There is nothing fairy tale about synthetis.  Having synthetic DNA doesn't solve all of the Galaxy's problems.  If it did Organics would be living peacefully.  They are not.  You think synthetic DNA means a Krogen hybrid will be all lovey dovey with a Salarian hybrid?  Humans kill humans and we are the same race. 

Actually, yes. I got the impression from the Synthesis epilogue.

Then we have different interpretations of the ending which is fine.  I got the impression that since the old man and the son have pretty much the same conversation regardless that Synthesis is not some magic fairy tale.  It leads to the same end and is just a matter of how you prefer to get there.

[remydat]

If Destroy resulted in all orgnanics dying and synthetics surviving, would you do it? What if there were multiple synthetic races in the game who could then uplift the primitive races we don't see in the game that are not subject to the harvest?

If you can honestly tell me you would sacrifice organics in the above example then fine. If not, it is simly a decision born of prejudice which is fine but let's call a spade a spade.

[CHARK19]

Reapers Destroyed!

I would have accepted this was the end, had Shepard actually died. I don't want to fill in the rest with headcannon, of Shepard crawling back to Tali on Rannoch. I think the end will have to be a boss battle, Harbinger narrowly escapes death by Assuming Control of a zombified TIM.
Then Shepard, according to your war efforts, either survives (enter medal ceremony here) or falls with he Reapers.

[xAmilli0n]

Control. Violenece is means to an end, power is that end, and Control is the ultimate power...or something like that. This one particular Shep can get a little crazy, I think Morinth and Aria were a bad influences on her.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 23 mars 2013 - 07:08 .

[Spartas Husky]

Destroy because I'm not a dung beetle. Plus if Bioware doesn't care about its own rules then why should I? lol

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

remydat wrote...

If Destroy resulted in all orgnanics dying and synthetics surviving, would you do it? What if there were multiple synthetic races in the game who could then uplift the primitive races we don't see in the game that are not subject to the harvest?

If you can honestly tell me you would sacrifice organics in the above example then fine. If not, it is simly a decision born of prejudice which is fine but let's call a spade a spade.

Yes because there would be organic life again. Destroying the reapers is worth any price.

It makes me laugh that people thinks Destroy is an easy decision for people who choose Destroy. I dunno about about other destroyers but a big part of the reason I choose Destroy is because I don't have a better choice, Control and Synthesis are abhorrent choices.

[DarthRic]

Modifié par DarthRic, 23 mars 2013 - 09:30 .

[remydat]

DinoSteve wrote...

Yes because there would be organic life again. Destroying the reapers is worth any price.

It makes me laugh that people thinks Destroy is an easy decision for people who choose Destroy. I dunno about about other destroyers but a big part of the reason I choose Destroy is because I don't have a better choice, Control and Synthesis are abhorrent choices.

So you destroy Reapers and all organics to preserve life but think you are not a Reaper then, lol.  That is the same logic that the Reapers arrived at, lol.  Look fine at least you are consistent in your argument that your solution no matter what is to kill Reapers. 

I prefer to disregard the Reapers whole idealogy that Synthetics and Organics can't get along by either choosing Control or Synthesis which means Organics and Synthetics are around and can co-exist.  To each his/her own.

[remydat]

DarthRic wrote...

Destroy, kills the Geth and EDI.
Synthesis, kills every being in existance.

How does synthesis kill less people again?

Also, seriously? You're comparing giving someone an iphone to having your DNA altered at the base level so you arn't what you were before but something completly different (which is why I consider it murder, if you change who I am at such a fundamental level I'm not the same person as before, i'm someone else in the same body, the person I was before is gone, this opinion is even expressed in a way by Samara during Legions loyalty mission.)

I am pretty sure I saw EDI and company walking around.   Pretty sure I saw the old man with his kid in the future.  You rather physically kill a sentient race to impose your debatable opinion that synthesis is killing something that still breates and walks after it is around.

So basically synthetics have to die because you arbitrarily decided that synthesis is killing life despite the people it allegedly kills walking around smiling.

[Aaleel]

One question I've always had is that after you've spent the entire game telling TIM how dumb and horrible the idea of control is to the point of making him suicide himself because he can't let go of the idea. What happened in the literally 5 minutes between that and seeing the Catalyst that convinced people that control was now a good idea?

[AlanC9]

remydat wrote...

So basically synthetics have to die because you arbitrarily decided that synthesis is killing life despite the people it allegedly kills walking around smiling.

I've never quite understood this compulsion some Destroy fans have to just make up bad stuff about the other endings.

[ScriptBabe]

4stringwizard wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

ScriptBabe wrote...

I would prefer MEHEM since I'm a big proponent of the happy ending, but since it's not actually an option I ended up going with destroy. The other colored choices completely violate the theme of the game, and were the recommended course by two of your antagonists -- Saren and TIM. .

Exactly.

They exist in the endgame for the sake of "Hey, look 'choice,' like we promised." But they've never been portrayed as desirable outcomes.

Exactly.  I still can't believe they even exist as choices.  Everyone who desired "control" or "synthesis" ended up being indoctrinated.  The entire trilogy pushed them as the wrong choices until the very end.  And then, Bioware goes "J/K, lol!" and gives them to us anyway.  There was not even a hint of them possibly having negative repercussions, just "here ya go, enjoy your different-colored explosions!" 

I pick destroy for all the reasons stated above and because I was annoyed that what could have been the greatest game created thus far was damaged by the ending.  I was, by god, going to do the job I was told from game one on that I had to do -- destroy the Reapers.  

I've been in a writer's room where suddenly one of us grabs the "Dumbstick", and says -- "Hey, wouldn't this be awesome and artsy and just cool, and really mess with everyone's heads?"  And then because you are in a writer's room with a lot of other creative minds somebody(hopefully) says, "Whoa, cheer down, that's a terrible idea that violates our characters and our core themes for these reasons," and you set down the dumbstick and back away slowly, and are saved from making a terrible plot choice.  My suspicion is that this did not happen in those final days when they were making the final decisions about the game.  And indeed if this had been a novel I would have had no problem with going for something radical and startling.  It's the author's prerogative.  But this is a new form of media, and I think the players are an essential piece in all of this.