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[MisanthropePrime]

The funniest thing is, at least for male hawkes, the champion armor from the third act in DAII for some reason made the muscles on his exposed arm bigger. Because a mage needs a big burly muscly arm like Trogdor, apparently.

[ForThessia]

I think Hawke looked perfect actually. Then again, I played a rogue so she didn't need to use her bare fists very often. I really don't want to look like Aveline.

As for Femshep.... I don't play as her but maybe a little more substance would be good.

[Liamv2]

Aleru wrote...

They need to make it looks like the character creator of the SWTOR, there you can choose the physical of your character.

[Lord Gremlin]

2 words.
Allows customization.
Like, in Saints Row 2-3 you can manually select how buff your character is. So if you want to have the kind of girl who can crush a man's head with her bare hands you can have that.

[Aurora313]

Actually yeah. I'd like to play a female character or protagonist that actually has a substantial amount of bulk about her. If a female character has been a warrior all their life for instance, they're not gonna have a massive bust or a stick like frame. They're gonna have some serious muscle on them with appropriately smaller breasts. You can make a kick-ass female lead without dressing her in rags and using her sex appeal to get what she wants.

Its really not hard. ME1's Ashley, KOTOR's Exile, Dragon Age's Eleanor, Wynne and Aveline. All of them are good strong characters that use practicality and intelligences over sex appeal, (Well, except the Exile since she's a PC, so she's kind of on the fence), and if people complain about those qualities, then you know you're doing something right.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I approve of this thread.
I've never been able to take any of the female protagonists in Bioware games seriously, they were capable of great physical tasks all the time while having the body shape of a full time office worker who has never lifted anything heavier than a pack of printer paper.

I'd really like Bioware to implement a body build slider even if it means that they have to make sacrifices.

[New Display Name]

I'd like to see an Aveline-like muscled PC body or even something more. It's not "mannish" to have muscles.
At the very least, give the female PC a better physique than the generic female NPCs that have seen no combat.

[Dragoncloud]

People seem to forget that non maleshep was half machine as well, so 'muscle' definition didnt really matter that much. I liked my non male hawke her appearance as well, her armor made her look 'buff' enough, and i've seen plenty of military women who do work out whose arms arent really bigger. Male hawke did kindoff come off like a malnourished little brat though...

[NovaBlastMarketing]

I think Ashley Miranda etc are buff enough for me personally thanks you ....we have had one body builder type already Aveline

[Oberkaiser]

Am I supposed to be surprised that BSN regulars don't know that 99% of females can't put on muscle mass naturally, without testosterone and growth hormones?

[sharkboy421]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I would approve of one like Dragon's Dogma, you can change anything there, including height, weight and muscle mass.

Dragon's Dogma did it perfectly - your character can be anything from a twig, to built like a house, and the armor pieces scale approprietly over your character's body.

I have to second this, Dragon's Dogma has one of the most fun and (from what I have experienced) detailed character creators available.  Though for a game like DA which is much more cinematic, there would have to be a limit on things like height because of cutscenes.  Something like muscle tone however would be totally fine.

[Zkyire]

Oberkaiser wrote...

Am I supposed to be surprised that BSN regulars don't know that 99% of females can't put on muscle mass naturally, without testosterone and growth hormones?

Yes. This is the BSN.

[ManOfSteel]

Muscle definition slider/options. Problem solved. No need to create different models, just textures and mapping.

It would be extra work no doubt, but I'd appreciate the effort. Especially as someone who plays Warriors almost exclusively.

[DreGregoire]

It would be nice if we had some choice in the build of our male and female characters. I mean it's all well and good to spend so many resources on companions, that have unique bodies. Why not give us the choice of a few unique body shapes for our PC? Shepard (female) is obviously a small boned woman, but she's tall. The size of her wrists and hands is very jarring for me. It's good that bioware went to the trouble to give Shepard a figure but... itty bitty hands and wrists on somebody who is six feet or so and who isn't a model? Proportions please.

And let's talk about the fact that I have muscles without trying and I'm a woman, large boned meaning my thumb and middle finger have never come together when I placed them around my wrist. My time in the service gave me neck and back muscles definition (not huge just defined) like nobody would believe and of course the definition of my arms and legs was much more obvious by the end of my term of service. And now years later I still have the definition and have added muscle bulk as I aged. My point, Shepard might have looked like she does (not the hands and wrists) when she first went in but at thirty and after 10 plus years of service it isn't realistic.

Edit: And to be honest it's what keeps me from playing a female Shepard a majority of the time. I just can't get over the unrealism of the shape of female Shepard. DA2 didn't have a chance with me because of the voice, but certainly the idea that a mage and a warrior female Shepard would have the same body shape is just silly to me.

Added: And I am by no means looking for a female as buff as male Hawke. But on the other spectrum I would like if I am playing as a male PC to have the option of him being less muscular, while still maintaining some buff based on his abilities.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 23 mars 2013 - 03:07 .

[mousestalker]

Oberkaiser wrote...

Am I supposed to be surprised that BSN regulars don't know that 99% of females can't put on muscle mass naturally, without testosterone and growth hormones?

Fascinating. One learns so much here, especially about women.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Oberkaiser wrote...

Am I supposed to be surprised that BSN regulars don't know that 99% of females can't put on muscle mass naturally, without testosterone and growth hormones?

This is the kind of ignorance I expected to see here.

So, how much practical experience do you have with that subject to back up your claim?

All I can say is that a friend of mine is a hobby athlete (pole vaulting) and she recently started to lift weights (I got her into it) just for the heck of it, she got quite bulky in only a couple of months without taking any kind of hormones or drugs.
And surprisingly enough she still doesn't look like man because her muscles fibers increased in thickness.

I think its funny that people here make ridiculous claims about body shape while having evidently zero experience with sports, weight lifting and the female body.

[HAG1686]

I agree with the general sentiment of this thread (more customization in how our characters look). However, did you really need to be so insulting, OP? I know plenty of women who look like FHawke, myself included, who have no trouble "lifting a cardboard box." Smaller women and bigger women all put on muscle differently, and their looks often don't indicate their actual, physical strength. So, yes, I would really like to customize exactly how my character's body looks, as per my own headcanon of what's appropriate, but maybe we shouldn't go around invalidating other body types as "unrealistic."

[Blazomancer]

Agreed OP. Aveline was a real kickass sort of character. Would be nice to have a physique like her for the warrior female protagonist. A body mass/muscle definition slider would be even nicer.

[legion 21]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Newschmoo wrote...

I know what you mean about femshep. I was amazed in ME3 when she gave Kaidan a fireman's lift on Mars, because he's not a small guy.

I suppose the character creator (as in Dragons Dogma) would satisfy most people. But I would worry if time is spent on developing something like this, would it take away resources from elsewhere?

I would prefer a better Character Creator over some side-quests involving insane bloodmages/templars.

yes better character creator

[Oberkaiser]

The Woldan wrote...

This is the kind of ignorance I expected to see here. 

So, how much practical experience do you have with that subject to back up your claim?

All I can say is that a friend of mine is a hobby athlete (pole vaulting) and she recently started to lift weights (I got her into it) just for the heck of it, she got quite bulky in only a couple of months without taking any kind of hormones or drugs.
And surprisingly enough she still doesn't look like man because her muscles fibers increased in thickness.

I think its funny that people here make ridiculous claims about body shape while having evidently zero experience with sports, weight lifting and the female body.

That's a nice anecdote, but my point still stands. Less than 1% of females are genetically predisposed to gaining muscle mass, and even they are "capped" pretty low compared to men.

[Enigmatick]

Why does this matter at all as a warrior you'll be wearing armor that bulks you up as a female anyway, you guys are just really being nitpicky at this point.

[Monica21]

Women have can have wide ranges of body types just among women. Women can also have muscle mass without a lot of definition and definition without a lot of muscle mass. Just among female athletes, there's a pretty wide range of body types between people like Hope Solo, Aly Raisman, and Venus Williams. Then you have a different realm of female athletes like figure skaters and dancers who you know are strong, but don't have the same kind of muscle definition or mass.

I think a slider would be good because yeah, a woman swinging a longsword is going to need those back and shoulder muscles, but I frankly just don't care for the look of a beefed-up female body. For those who want it, sure, put in sliders. For those who don't, it would be nice to reduce the muscle mass and keep the definition.

[Shevy]

The possibility to build a body with the shape of Allison Stokke for female warrior would be great.

[sharkboy421]

Oberkaiser wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

This is the kind of ignorance I expected to see here. 

So, how much practical experience do you have with that subject to back up your claim?

All I can say is that a friend of mine is a hobby athlete (pole vaulting) and she recently started to lift weights (I got her into it) just for the heck of it, she got quite bulky in only a couple of months without taking any kind of hormones or drugs.
And surprisingly enough she still doesn't look like man because her muscles fibers increased in thickness.

I think its funny that people here make ridiculous claims about body shape while having evidently zero experience with sports, weight lifting and the female body.

That's a nice anecdote, but my point still stands. Less than 1% of females are genetically predisposed to gaining muscle mass, and even they are "capped" pretty low compared to men.

Well what's wrong with the PC being that 1%?  Hence why a slider would be really nice.  There would be something for everyone then.